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| Posted: Fri Jun 19th, 2009 12:49 pm |
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RedHerring Guest
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Greetings everyone. I was hoping to get some more advice, as well as some "schooling". My first venture resulted in a fantastic Omega Seamaster GMT, for which I'd like to again express my thanks for all of the great advice and comments I received here. I am now looking for a big, heavy duty dive watch. I've been perusing all of the watch forums I can find and have become intrigued by "Fricker" divers. I am a bit confused by the whole subject of "Fricker" cased watches, and have a few questions. I have observed that there are quite a few watches from different manufacturers that share identical or very similar cases. Several are touted as being Fricker cases. Are all of these made by Fricker, or have some simply been copied? Secondly, what is the significance of a Fricker case? Lastly, are some better than others? I have learned that some of Fricker style dive watches contain ETA movements and some contain Asian movements. I am looking for an ETA movement. Does anyone have any suggestions? Finally, how does "Longio" fit into the equation? I found several models that look almost identical to other brands. I never thought there would be so much information to digest. It's fun, but somewhat confusing. It sure is a lot different than going to the mall and buying a Seiko quartz chronograph from a jewelry store. Thanks again for all of your help. Regards - "Red"
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| Posted: Fri Jun 19th, 2009 01:06 pm |
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BOSCHETT 3T WIS 
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Hello Red, Fricker is a German based company and are generally renowned as one of the top case manufacturers in the industry. They assemble watches under a private label arrangement to their customers specifications. As you have seen there are a number of companies out there that used them. I'm not aware of any that use a Fricker case and an Asian movement. There are members here who can better answer this. Longio is an Asian based case and PL watch manufacturer and can say from direct experience that they do excellent work. I must be clear my Cave Dweller is made by them and I am more than please with the watch, as I believe Ralf (Benarus) is too. If I may read between the lines, you'd be getting an awesome watch if you were to choose one made from either company. Keith
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| Posted: Fri Jun 19th, 2009 01:17 pm |
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RedHerring Guest
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Wow, thanks for the fast reply. I might have been mistaken when I paired Fricker with an Asian movement. A lot of the dive watches look very similar to me, albeit I am much the neophyte at this stage. A seasoned watch collector could probably rattle off a half dozen stark differences at a glance. Would I be wrong if I said that there are Asian (Chinese ?) cases that look exactly like Fricker cases? Granted, there may be subtle differences as I have not seen any of them in person, nor have I seen any pics where Frickers are represented side by side with their Asian counterparts. Regards - "Red"
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| Posted: Fri Jun 19th, 2009 01:26 pm |
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oagaspar Site Founder 
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do you have an example of what you believe to be a Fricker cased watch with an asian movement? face4.gif
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| Posted: Fri Jun 19th, 2009 02:03 pm |
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Rhino-Ranch Guest
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Love your AVATAR -- Jimmy Buffet is great. I cover Margarittaville and Pirate Turns 40 in my band. I can't help you with the specific details of your question regarding Fricker versus Longio and such technical questions are best answered by those with actual knowledge. But I can offer some suggestions re BIG HEAVY DUTY DIVE WATCH. In my opinion the watchmakers / forum sponsors shown on the left side of the screen offer incredible designs, value and customer service. Specifically: Dievas Aqualuna, Orsa Monstrum, Boschett Reef Ranger or Boschett Cave Dweller, Benarus Moray or Benarus Sea Devil or Benarus 1km. I personally own ORSA Monstrum, Boschett Cave Dweller, and have on order Benarus Moray. Based on my recommendation, my friend back East bought a Boschett Reef Ranger and he is extremely satisfied. If you search 3T threads, you will see pics, reviews, and very satisfied customers regarding all the brands featured at 3T. I am not affiliated with any brand. The most difficult decision is deciding which one to buy first, because like potato chips, no one can have just one!
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| Posted: Fri Jun 19th, 2009 02:21 pm |
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RedHerring Guest
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Well, probably not. Like I said, I'm very new at this and have been attempting to absorb in a few weeks what many of you have been doing for years. I guess my main question is ... "What watch brands use Fricker cases, and what brands use Fricker (for lack of a better term) look a like cases? I've looked around on a few of the other forums and have seen the following watch brands, which all (to me) seem to share common similarities in design. Forget I said anything about specific movements, I don't want to speak incorrectly at this point. Are these Fricker cases or Asian Fricker-like cases? Kenzo Enzo Ocean 7 Benarus Boschett Deep Blue Korsbeck Kremke Longio Am I making any sense at this point, because I think I am starting to confuse myself. Regards - "Red"
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| Posted: Fri Jun 19th, 2009 05:07 pm |
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Red, I think the bottom line is buy what you like and what you can afford....I have watches in both Fricker cases and the Longio cases, IMHO for the difference in price I don't see much difference....there is a difference but to the average person it is not noticable. I will take Keith's statement a little further....in other words I'll blow his horn for him. I own a Cave Dweller and it is one of my favorites, an awesome case...I also own two Benarus Barracudas and two Sea Devils and these are also at the top of my list...I believe these are all Longio cases and I have no complaints on any of them...my guess is these same watches in Fricker cases would be $800 to $1200 more expensive....I can certainly afford to buy the Fricker cases and like i said i own a couple...I just don't see the point to spend the money if the others, again IMHO, are as good or close to it.
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| Posted: Fri Jun 19th, 2009 05:14 pm |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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Kenzo=Fricker/Germany/Swiss Enzo=Asian Ocean 7=Asian and some Swiss but not Fricker Benarus=Asian except for the new KM1 which is a Fricker made watch/Germany Boschett=Asian Cave Dweller Deep Blue=Asian Korsbeck=Fricker Kremke=Fricker Longio= an Asian casemaker that makes most of the Asian cases/watches you mention above Fricker=casemaker/Swiss,German and no you are not making sense and I have no idea where you are reading this stuff to make this kind of assumption...never heard of a Asian Fricker like case?:? Fricker is a very high end case/watch maker that produces Kobold,MarcelloC,Kazimon to name a few ....Longio is the most popular Asian case/watch maker responsible for most of the forum watches popping up and make a very high quality watch using miyota movements at a great price but add an eta and the prices go up substantially in most cases.hand6.gif
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| Posted: Fri Jun 19th, 2009 05:25 pm |
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handie 3T WIS
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Hi, how about schaumburg lindbergh and benson? do longio made them? or is the case are tru germany case..? ths for your answer :) oagaspar wrote: Kenzo=Fricker/Germany/Swiss
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| Posted: Fri Jun 19th, 2009 05:35 pm |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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my understanding is they designed the case everyone sees being used ....below is the original L&B Nauticfish 04'-05' .... Longio in HK manufactured it and still does and therefore had the right to sell it to whoever wanted to use it or build on it...Longio also has a Swiss affiliate to accomadate "Swiss Made" for a higher price as well as Asian at the lower prices...it is the most recognized case in forum watch history imohand6.gif ..a watches components do not have to be made in Swistzerland or Germany to qualify as Swiss Made or Made in Germany...especially not the latter but to be Swiss Made 51% of the total cost to manufacture and final assembly must be in Switzerland to qualify watch2.gif...this is an age old question with many opinions and will continue to be discussed by WIS for years to come :D  handie wrote: Hi, how about schaumburg lindbergh and benson? do longio made them?
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| Posted: Fri Jun 19th, 2009 05:52 pm |
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handie 3T WIS
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so the schaumburg case are made by longio? about the design, i heard that enzo mechana was actually the designer. but somehow schaumburg get their watches out first to the market. is that true :)
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| Posted: Fri Jun 19th, 2009 06:00 pm |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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handie wrote: so the schaumburg case are made by longio? according to Enzo he helped design the case with Lindbergh but that has been debated as no one has heard this from Lindbergh and Schaumburg lays claim that Longio did not manufacture the case for them but hey apples are apples is what I say as I own or have owned every version and they are identical ...the Deep Blue is identical to the L&B Nauticfish only with a miyota or quartz and if I wanted to make an exact copy of the L&B/Schaumburg using Longio I could ...well anyone could hand6.gif ...the "Swiss Made" watch companies and major brands do not want you to know their cases or other components are made in China or that they have facilities in HK but they are and they all do it but this not mean they are not high quality as long as the QC is there and many bring them back to their own facilities for final QC and finishing .... a small % that don't and still make everything in Switzerland are like Patek Philipe for example which you will pay the premium to own one :D
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