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TempestBen wrote: Paxman wrote:
TempestBen wrote: Oscar, I hope you don’t mind me dropping.

Most people are quick to judge a watch by the price, most people will underestimate the time and effort that goes into such a creation and the sum of the parts (Top-Grade movement, ceramic lumed bezel, 2000WR and of course all that sexy machine work). I believe that our pricing is fair, we are not the cheapest nor we are not the most expensive. I refuse to cut corners and come out with a diver which is more affordable but not there quality wise. Our aim is not to make a quick buck but to bring killer designs that people will enjoy and something we can be proud of.

Yes we did have some issues with “made in swiss” and our website not launching when we said it would. You have to understand there are so many individual details that require your attention that it’s easy to overlook something. I’ve never heard of a business starting out that never had any issues. We do our best to resolve these issues and learn and make sure they never happen again.

With all that said, I’m very proud to say that everyone that’s had to fortunate experience to see the watch in person has all been pleasantly surprised by the quality. Oceanic times and DEMO both are very well regarded and respected in the forums and will be coming up with their own reviews with are totally unbiased.

Ben

Best of luck in your endeavor Ben. I just have to chime in and make the point many see DEMO for what he is... a shill. Hopefully he won't sell off your watch in a few weeks and set the secondary market value too low.


Paxman, have you seen DEMO's collection? Its quite something, I drool everytime I see the photos. I would not be too worried about DEMO selling my watch.

Just because DEMO takes awesome pictures and writes his opinions about a watch, its really not fair to call him a shill. Let me ask you this do you not agree with any of the comments he's made for any of his reviews? His reviews are from his point of view and not biased at all. DEMO is a good guy.
you are so full of BS if you believe anything you just tried to convince us of...if this is the kind of person you want as a front man,someone who is known to do favorable reviews for free watches...then please go back to WUS!

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oagaspar wrote:
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TempestBen wrote: oagaspar wrote:
TY Ben
...I am sure you are aware you are not the only one producing a watch with lumed ceramic bezels,high WR cases,or killer designs,and that most knowledgeable WIS know these components are readily available and offered by the manufacturers that are being used by the micro brands.
...so my question is,what is your experience with watches,and what sets Tempest apart from all the other micro brands?



Oscar, yes your right that I'm not the only one producing a watch with lumed ceramic bezel, high WR case, or killer designs but can you name another watch that is doing all three together?
OK Ben, I'll play,just off the top of my head...Benarus did the 3 in the Remora last year(ceramic lume dial and bezel)...OWC 5517 Milsub...even Deep Blue did a ceramic lume bezel,WR and many considered all of these killer designs,since they all sold out...the list goes on...even rouhlena and helenarhou on the Bay are offering their replica cased designs with ceramic lumed bezels,at a fraction of your price...Benarus and Helson are also offering sapphire lumed bezels so once again you are not doing anything new,that we have not seen.
,...now please answer my question>What is your experience with watches?



Oscar, Deep Blue does have a ceramic bezel but its not lumed. The other, really depends what you consider high WR cases...The ones you mentioned have have a maximum of 500M WR. Anyways this point is not important.

To answer your question about my experience with watches I have been an avid collector for many years. With my partners years of combined experince in collecting, design and watchmaking.
you're right Ben,it's not important,but it seemed to be important to you...maybe you can share some pics of your collection,and what watches your partners or you have produced in the past...these would be good things to know,and can only be a positive towards your success with Tempest Watch imo.
...especially in a market that is being flooded by micro brands, all looking to the forums, in order to sell their wares...in todays market it is as important to review the owner/owners of a micro as it is the watch,and that is only if the reviewer is truly unbiased and is not motivated by a free watch.
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Hi Oscar, I would love to share my collection with you guys. I will put all the watches I personally owned onto one picture to make it easy. But you'll have to give me some time to put it together (its currently 6:25AM here)

There are NDA agreements which prevents us from disclosing any details.

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oagaspar wrote:
TempestBen wrote: Paxman wrote:
TempestBen wrote: Oscar, I hope you don’t mind me dropping.

Most people are quick to judge a watch by the price, most people will underestimate the time and effort that goes into such a creation and the sum of the parts (Top-Grade movement, ceramic lumed bezel, 2000WR and of course all that sexy machine work). I believe that our pricing is fair, we are not the cheapest nor we are not the most expensive. I refuse to cut corners and come out with a diver which is more affordable but not there quality wise. Our aim is not to make a quick buck but to bring killer designs that people will enjoy and something we can be proud of.

Yes we did have some issues with “made in swiss” and our website not launching when we said it would. You have to understand there are so many individual details that require your attention that it’s easy to overlook something. I’ve never heard of a business starting out that never had any issues. We do our best to resolve these issues and learn and make sure they never happen again.

With all that said, I’m very proud to say that everyone that’s had to fortunate experience to see the watch in person has all been pleasantly surprised by the quality. Oceanic times and DEMO both are very well regarded and respected in the forums and will be coming up with their own reviews with are totally unbiased.

Ben

Best of luck in your endeavor Ben. I just have to chime in and make the point many see DEMO for what he is... a shill. Hopefully he won't sell off your watch in a few weeks and set the secondary market value too low.


Paxman, have you seen DEMO's collection? Its quite something, I drool everytime I see the photos. I would not be too worried about DEMO selling my watch.

Just because DEMO takes awesome pictures and writes his opinions about a watch, its really not fair to call him a shill. Let me ask you this do you not agree with any of the comments he's made for any of his reviews? His reviews are from his point of view and not biased at all. DEMO is a good guy.
you are so full of BS if you believe anything you just tried to convince us of...if this is the kind of person you want as a front man,someone who is known to do favorable reviews for free watches...than please go back to WUS!


Just to let you guys know, Demo is not getting a free watch in fact, he has not asked for any kind of money in return. He has kindly offered to help out of this interest for the Viking and good will.

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Do you guys trust OceanicTime then...?

http://oceanictime.blogspot.com/2011/06/tempest-viking-prototype.html

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TempestBen wrote: Do you guys trust OceanicTime then...?

http://oceanictime.blogspot.com/2011/06/tempest-viking-prototype.html
Ben...we want to believe you...

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TempestBen wrote:
Do you guys trust OceanicTime then...?

http://oceanictime.blogspot.com/2011/06/tempest-viking-prototype.html


Well, this small "review" just describe what we allready saw or knew...
So I would say that it's not much of a review...
The pictures are talking from themselves and I don't considerate this writing as a professional review.
A review would be:
Full description of the lug-screws system with pictures of the screws?
Is there any good or long lasting lume?
What is the weight of the watch as it seems big plus wrist shots with wrist size to compare...
Any picture compared to a known watch model for the sizes
How many seconds the movement win/loose by day with a normal wear?
Is the bezel ratchet's click hard/smooth/sitting in fast/right place after beeing manupilated such as any slack?
Is there any anti-reflect coating inside/outside and is it doing a good job in full sun exposure? How many layers of it if you know it?
Seems like a slightly domed crystal: Is it? Simple dome or double dome?
Is the watch comfortable to wear a whole day and sitting well balanced on the wrist?
Are the screws who are poping out of the bracelet not getting/digging in the hand sides when the watch hang down on a relaxed arm?
Are the grooves on the case accumulating dust and crap pretty fast?
Are the crown-guards comfortable on the back of the hand with them edged shape?
Is the DLC a hard PVD or a real DLC like Dievas producted on one of it's model?.......And so on....

That's what's called a review in the watch's world and if I would have met you, I would have done my best to leave you with all those answers in my note-book!
So as I see this guy: He came, he saw, he left empty hands...Pitty because he had all the occasion to make it!

And more conclusive if possible:
If the watches are finished in Switzerland as you state: Is the DLC performed there or in Germany?
Who is testing the watch on water-resistance and movement regulating: A Swiss lab or a German one?
Any documentation/picture about the movement's grade in decoration or any ETA grading?

And a top finish who would reassure all readers as potential buyers about the claims: Who finish, assemble and test the Viking in Switzerland?
Because if there is something who makes us spit money without counting on few hundreds more: It's a proof that the Swiss factory is not a mail-box.
Doxa burned them sorry asses on that with Walca Far-East doing all the job and sitting with apparently only an office's address in Zurich from where we still wait factory machines pictures!
You should seriously watch and learn from Doxa's failures as everybody else making watches with different factories in different countries, using the 51% Swiss law to get the Swiss-Made label.
Being transparent will always save your ass.

That's a full review: Oceanic time wasn't even touching it with the tip of his fingers and I feel sorry for this guy who really lack of curiosity...

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Hammerfjord wrote: TempestBen wrote:
Do you guys trust OceanicTime then...?

http://oceanictime.blogspot.com/2011/06/tempest-viking-prototype.html


Well, this small "review" just describe what we allready saw or knew...
So I would say that it's not much of a review...
The pictures are talking from themselves and I don't considerate this writing as a professional review.
A review would be:
Full description of the lug-screws system with pictures of the screws?
Is there any good or long lasting lume?
What is the weight of the watch as it seems big plus wrist shots with wrist size to compare...
Any picture compared to a known watch model for the sizes
How many seconds the movement win/loose by day with a normal wear?
Is the bezel ratchet's click hard/smooth/sitting in fast/right place after beeing manupilated such as any slack?
Is there any anti-reflect coating inside/outside and is it doing a good job in full sun exposure? How many layers of it if you know it?
Seems like a slightly domed crystal: Is it? Simple dome or double dome?
Is the watch comfortable to wear a whole day and sitting well balanced on the wrist?
Are the screws who are poping out of the bracelet not getting/digging in the hand sides when the watch hang down on a relaxed arm?
Are the grooves on the case accumulating dust and crap pretty fast?
Are the crown-guards comfortable on the back of the hand with them edged shape?
Is the DLC a hard PVD or a real DLC like Dievas producted on one of it's model?.......And so on....

That's what's called a review in the watch's world and if I would have met you, I would have done my best to leave you with all those answers in my note-book!
So as I see this guy: He came, he saw, he left empty hands...Pitty because he had all the occasion to make it!

And more conclusive if possible:
If the watches are finished in Switzerland as you state: Is the DLC performed there or in Germany?
Who is testing the watch on water-resistance and movement regulating: A Swiss lab or a German one?
Any documentation/picture about the movement's grade in decoration or any ETA grading?

And a top finish who would reassure all readers as potential buyers about the claims: Who finish, assemble and test the Viking in Switzerland?
Because if there is something who makes us spit money without counting on few hundreds more: It's a proof that the Swiss factory is not a mail-box.
Doxa burned them sorry asses on that with Walca Far-East doing all the job and sitting with apparently only an office's address in Zurich from where we still wait factory machines pictures!
You should seriously watch and learn from Doxa's failures as everybody else making watches with different factories in different countries, using the 51% Swiss law to get the Swiss-Made label.
Being transparent will always save your ass.

That's a full review: Oceanic time wasn't even touching it with the tip of his fingers and I feel sorry for this guy who really lack of curiosity...


William...all good points, and I agree these would be the things a WIS would want to know about a production model piece...but, remember the only thing that exists right now from Tempest are a few PROTOTYPE watches which already have a number of known issues that need to be sorted out in the production run.

...I'm just sayin'...

You guys are being tough on Ben from Tempest (and well...that's just fine by me...I fully understand that a WIS must have a high level of skepticism when considering an unproven, new venture).  The more information a watch builder can give his watch buying public, the better (but, Forums can be a challenging environment...I've seen the BIG NAMES really alienate forum goers...step on their own #@%* with the information that is given...).

Ultimately, a watch manufacturer is going to live or die by the end product that is turned out.  Screw it up and be exposed for turning out a second rate product with horrible customer service...manufacture a winner with top notch customer service, and well...I think the success and failure of recent micro-brands pretty much tells the story!  (all IMO)...

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Hammerfjord wrote: TempestBen wrote:
Do you guys trust OceanicTime then...?

http://oceanictime.blogspot.com/2011/06/tempest-viking-prototype.html


Well, this small "review" just describe what we allready saw or knew...
So I would say that it's not much of a review...
The pictures are talking from themselves and I don't considerate this writing as a professional review.
A review would be:
Full description of the lug-screws system with pictures of the screws?
Is there any good or long lasting lume?
What is the weight of the watch as it seems big plus wrist shots with wrist size to compare...
Any picture compared to a known watch model for the sizes
How many seconds the movement win/loose by day with a normal wear?
Is the bezel ratchet's click hard/smooth/sitting in fast/right place after beeing manupilated such as any slack?
Is there any anti-reflect coating inside/outside and is it doing a good job in full sun exposure? How many layers of it if you know it?
Seems like a slightly domed crystal: Is it? Simple dome or double dome?
Is the watch comfortable to wear a whole day and sitting well balanced on the wrist?
Are the screws who are poping out of the bracelet not getting/digging in the hand sides when the watch hang down on a relaxed arm?
Are the grooves on the case accumulating dust and crap pretty fast?
Are the crown-guards comfortable on the back of the hand with them edged shape?
Is the DLC a hard PVD or a real DLC like Dievas producted on one of it's model?.......And so on....

That's what's called a review in the watch's world and if I would have met you, I would have done my best to leave you with all those answers in my note-book!
So as I see this guy: He came, he saw, he left empty hands...Pitty because he had all the occasion to make it!

And more conclusive if possible:
If the watches are finished in Switzerland as you state: Is the DLC performed there or in Germany?
Who is testing the watch on water-resistance and movement regulating: A Swiss lab or a German one?
Any documentation/picture about the movement's grade in decoration or any ETA grading?

And a top finish who would reassure all readers as potential buyers about the claims: Who finish, assemble and test the Viking in Switzerland?
Because if there is something who makes us spit money without counting on few hundreds more: It's a proof that the Swiss factory is not a mail-box.
Doxa burned them sorry asses on that with Walca Far-East doing all the job and sitting with apparently only an office's address in Zurich from where we still wait factory machines pictures!
You should seriously watch and learn from Doxa's failures as everybody else making watches with different factories in different countries, using the 51% Swiss law to get the Swiss-Made label.
Being transparent will always save your ass.

That's a full review: Oceanic time wasn't even touching it with the tip of his fingers and I feel sorry for this guy who really lack of curiosity...


William...all good points, and I agree these would be the things a WIS would want to know about a production model piece...but, remember the only thing that exists right now from Tempest are a few PROTOTYPE watches which already have a number of known issues that need to be sorted out in the production run.

...I'm just sayin'...

You guys are being tough on Ben from Tempest (and well...that's just fine by me...I fully understand that a WIS must have a high level of skepticism when considering an unproven, new venture).  The more information a watch builder can give his watch buying public, the better (but, Forums can be a challenging environment...I've seen the BIG NAMES really alienate forum goers...step on their own #@%* with the information that is given...).

Ultimately, a watch manufacturer is going to live or die by the end product that is turned out.  Screw it up and be exposed for turning out a second rate product with horrible customer service...manufacture a winner with top notch customer service, and well...I think the success and failure of recent micro-brands pretty much tells the story!  (all IMO)...


Common Chris: You know as much as we all do that 99% of all those questions could be answered from now just by holding the watch and getting a constructive chat with Ben.
About the lume, the crystal, weight, bracelet and all that: I doubt that the proto, don't have any ratchet allready and Ben could name up some of those features if they should be ameliorated.
The modifications on the prototype are allready named (crown guard and bezel marking...) and the movement are told to be in the box so Ben also knows what they are made off.
Nobody is getting hardcore here: The guy from Oceanic.T could have come with so much more details and you know that: Or what was the point of this first presentation? Showing pictures we allready seen?
I'm trying to be pragmatic here and I keep to the facts: I don't have any secret holy-war going on toward Ben at all and he certainly understand my curiosity.
I've been as this curious with Benarus and Kazimon from who I bought a watch and they answered my questions without an eye-blink.
Ben or someone else from Tempest allready stated openly on Facebook : "The case blanks are first made in China. Then the blanks are shipped to Switzerland for final finishing and assembly. This is exactly the same practice for alot of big brands"
What I found very honest and a good start as what we call "beeing transparent" but if so, it should not be difficult to explain the rest, as Ben now lives in Hong-Kong and if he will get the watches shipped back again to him for final inspection for exemple...?
Or will they be shipped from Switzerland? Because sending blanks from H.K to Switz, and back to H.K seems a bit fastidious...
Because that's things we all wonder about: Even yourself.
Let's say that it would contribute to promote Tempest in the right way and prepare a good launching!
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bottom line:
cases are stamped in HK,
watches are made in HK,          
      Made in Swiss!
Ben lives in HK

I'm not saying the Tempest will not be a great watch,it has a ton of wrist appeal imo,just that it's true origins should be disclosed.I am sure many more WIS would buy this watch at under $1000. knowing it was Made in China,rather than over $1000., thinking it was Swiss Made.ThumbsUp02.gif

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Hammerfjord wrote:
TempestBen wrote:
Do you guys trust OceanicTime then...?

http://oceanictime.blogspot.com/2011/06/tempest-viking-prototype.html


Well, this small "review" just describe what we allready saw or knew...
So I would say that it's not much of a review...
The pictures are talking from themselves and I don't considerate this writing as a professional review.
A review would be:
Full description of the lug-screws system with pictures of the screws?
Is there any good or long lasting lume?
What is the weight of the watch as it seems big plus wrist shots with wrist size to compare...
Any picture compared to a known watch model for the sizes
How many seconds the movement win/loose by day with a normal wear?
Is the bezel ratchet's click hard/smooth/sitting in fast/right place after beeing manupilated such as any slack?
Is there any anti-reflect coating inside/outside and is it doing a good job in full sun exposure? How many layers of it if you know it?
Seems like a slightly domed crystal: Is it? Simple dome or double dome?
Is the watch comfortable to wear a whole day and sitting well balanced on the wrist?
Are the screws who are poping out of the bracelet not getting/digging in the hand sides when the watch hang down on a relaxed arm?
Are the grooves on the case accumulating dust and crap pretty fast?
Are the crown-guards comfortable on the back of the hand with them edged shape?
Is the DLC a hard PVD or a real DLC like Dievas producted on one of it's model?.......And so on....

That's what's called a review in the watch's world and if I would have met you, I would have done my best to leave you with all those answers in my note-book!
So as I see this guy: He came, he saw, he left empty hands...Pitty because he had all the occasion to make it!

And more conclusive if possible:
If the watches are finished in Switzerland as you state: Is the DLC performed there or in Germany?
Who is testing the watch on water-resistance and movement regulating: A Swiss lab or a German one?
Any documentation/picture about the movement's grade in decoration or any ETA grading?

And a top finish who would reassure all readers as potential buyers about the claims: Who finish, assemble and test the Viking in Switzerland?
Because if there is something who makes us spit money without counting on few hundreds more: It's a proof that the Swiss factory is not a mail-box.
Doxa burned them sorry asses on that with Walca Far-East doing all the job and sitting with apparently only an office's address in Zurich from where we still wait factory machines pictures!
You should seriously watch and learn from Doxa's failures as everybody else making watches with different factories in different countries, using the 51% Swiss law to get the Swiss-Made label.
Being transparent will always save your ass.

That's a full review: Oceanic time wasn't even touching it with the tip of his fingers and I feel sorry for this guy who really lack of curiosity...


Sorry for the delay guys, I will try answer all your questions one post...

Lug screw system are high quality solid hex screws…Will post some pictures on our FB page
Lume is C3 and yes it is quite bright and quite long lasting. Again there are pictures of the lume so check them out
I don’t have a weigh but will try to find a scale to get a approx. weight for you guys. Check out post on “the other forum”, there is a thread with thoughts on the Viking with very nice pictures with a wrist shot.
I have not timed this sample as this is only a sample with an off the shelf ETA 2824, hence why the white date wheel (will be black for production).
Bezel rachet’s clicks very smooth with absolutely no play. Requires just the right amount of force to turn, ie. Not too stiff and not to soft.
Anti-Reflective coating on inside only. Looks good to me in the sun.
It was originally planned for domed crystal but the flat crystal compliments the watch so much more we stuck with the flat crystal.
The movement was specifically positioned as low as possible in the case in order to improve the center of gravity so the watch is not top heavy.
The screws were made slightly too long on the prototype as can be seen in the photos but will be flush for the production pieces
The insides of the recesses have a bead blasted finish so the dust and crap should not stick (unless the watch gets wet of course)
Crown guard do not have a problem with digging in the wrist but the we found that the crown did at certain extreme angles. So we add a bevel to the outter edge of the crown so it increase the amount of clearance for your wrist so its comfortable.
Yes real DLC

It is correct that the watch cases will be machined in
China, sent to Swiss for finish finishing and assembly. I have been very clear and transparent about this from the very start. Regulation will be done in Swiss and WR testing to be done with finished watches (not empty cases) back in Hong Kong. I will try to get some pictures of the movements to prove the movements are top grade but they are on order so they won’t be ready for quite some time.

And to answer Oscars post, I will have documentation to prove of its “made in Swiss” origins.

We plan to design and release many more watches in the future so there would be absolutely no value for us to be dishonest about anything.

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Thank you for all the answers.
So the case (other parts?) will go from China to Swizterland for assembly and regulation, then the watch will be shipped BACK to Asia for WR testing? Then more QC there? By you or manufacturer? Then when they are all finished and tested and QC'd you (?) will ship them to clients from HK?
I personally prefer flat crystal unlike many others. I think the Preorder price is high and passing that 1k is like crossing a psychological barrier in WIS' minds. Also many don't wear bracelet and will go straight to rubber or custom leather, it may be helpful to offer a strap only at a significant discount under that 1k barrier to appeal to more WIS.
Thanks again for taking the time to answer all questions.

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Here are all the points the watch gets QC.

1. Watch blanks machined in China, QC before they are shipped to Swiss
2. Watch blanks arrive in Swiss, QC once before assembly
3. Then QC again after assembly before they are sent back
4. QC once they get back to Hong Kong and we start the WR testing
5. QC again before they get shipped to the end customers

We want to make sure we offer a quality product.


I will see what I can do to offer a stap only option.

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