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| Posted: Fri Jul 26th, 2013 04:17 pm |
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joecb 3T WIS 
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The bronze case has a very brassy look to it in this pic.. CuSn8 should be a deeper bronze from other true CuSn8 cases I have seen.
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| Posted: Fri Jul 26th, 2013 04:23 pm |
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Hammerfjord Moderator 
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Luminated wrote:^I would have thought the almost all small watch brands use Asia as their workshop and its how they can offer really good well specced watches at a fraction of the price those better known Swiss brand look. Kazimon is 100% Made-in-Germany, Aquadive has it's case made in Germany and assembly in Switzerland, Dievas has as well German made and assembled watches. All except the movement of course. I speak now about brands represented here. There's others high quality watches at reasonable prices. Don't need an Asian watch in my opinion. But it all depend of your budget. At the end, cheap is cheap...
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| Posted: Fri Jul 26th, 2013 04:35 pm |
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joecb 3T WIS
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Luminated, take a look at the Helberg bronze thread. Here is one made in Germany of CuSn8 bronze. Big difference Last edited on Fri Jul 26th, 2013 04:38 pm by joecb |
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| Posted: Fri Jul 26th, 2013 04:46 pm |
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Hammerfjord Moderator
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joecb wrote:Luminated, take a look at the Helberg bronze thread. Here is one made in Germany of CuSn8 bronze. Big difference Exactly... http://www.timetechtalk.com/forum1/25927.html
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| Posted: Fri Jul 26th, 2013 05:58 pm |
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Luminated 3T WIS
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joecb wrote:Luminated, take a look at the Helberg bronze thread. Here is one made in Germany of CuSn8 bronze. Big difference I am fully aware of what CuSn8 bronze looks like as I own a Bebarus moray bronze and yes it does look different in this photo. He's not the first to be told he's getting CuSn8 and isn't. The patina on CuSn8 is beautiful IMO though I'm not sure whether its any more superior other mix of bronze. On this subject does anyone know why it's more prized than all others?
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| Posted: Fri Jul 26th, 2013 06:46 pm |
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Hammerfjord Moderator
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The CuSn8 has a high copper content: It gives a nice reddish color. This bronze alloy is known first of all because Anonimo and Panerai used it with success through time since the patina don't turn to an ugly grey-brown like other alloys: It keeps a nice vintage look with a warm feel in the tones. Olivier used another alloy which should have been good but the patina turned like crap: Let's be honest. I'm not a bronze fanatic at all and I'm still not mesmerized by it. It's cool but for me it's just a craze of the moment: I will wait and see. But if I had to choose, I would go for the CuSn8: Because of the reddish warm tone.
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| Posted: Fri Jul 26th, 2013 07:38 pm |
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Timbo 3T WIS 
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Wow, most everybody here wants to bury this project from the get-go. Why don't we just wait to see what they produce (or don't produce) and then decide? Had this been the attitude with everybody, a lot of good boutique brands would have never gotten off the ground.
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| Posted: Fri Jul 26th, 2013 08:20 pm |
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oagaspar Site Founder 
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Timbo wrote: Wow, most everybody here wants to bury this project from the get-go. Why don't we just wait to see what they produce (or don't produce) and then decide? Had this been the attitude with everybody, a lot of good boutique brands would have never gotten off the ground.bury it,you mean dig it up...who is this guy producing this watch?...the micro brands that have made it were all started by WIS we knew long before they decided to build a watch/...if giving sound advice to not bite on a pre-order and wait until the product is finished and ready FS is burying it then so be it,as far as getting off the ground imo would not happen without the pre-order funds needed to get the watch off the ground...this is from experience and not from out of the blue,if you want to jump on it go ahead and let's see how fast it ends up on a sales forum. 
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| Posted: Fri Jul 26th, 2013 09:06 pm |
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Hammerfjord Moderator
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This is getting very funny: When from experiences like Tempest and Olivier, we just tell "wait and see if it is like it was promised" , we find ourself being peaked out like intolerant and negative... I should have say: "Really cool new design, the quality will be top, it will be CuSn8 for sure, pay in advance because this guy is rock solid!" Sorry to be honnest but I don't føcking care about which forum announces this watch, I just care about facts and possibilities.
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| Posted: Fri Jul 26th, 2013 09:50 pm |
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Timbo 3T WIS
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oagaspar wrote:Timbo wrote:Wow, most everybody here wants to bury this project from the get-go. Why don't we just wait to see what they produce (or don't produce) and then decide? Had this been the attitude with everybody, a lot of good boutique brands would have never gotten off the ground.bury it,you mean dig it up...who is this guy producing this watch?...the micro brands that have made it were all started by WIS we knew long before they decided to build a watch/...if giving sound advice to not bite on a pre-order and wait until the product is finished and ready FS is burying it then so be it,as far as getting off the ground imo would not happen without the pre-order funds needed to get the watch off the ground...this is from experience and not from out of the blue,if you want to jump on it go ahead and let's see how fast it ends up on a sales forum. I'm sure everyone appreciates the advice not to lay down the money for a watch that may or may not be produced. What I said was wait and see what he comes up with, then decide. The sentiment here seems to be to declare this a failure before they can prove otherwise. Buyer beware, for sure!
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| Posted: Fri Jul 26th, 2013 10:21 pm |
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Hammerfjord Moderator
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Timbo wrote:oagaspar wrote: If you read what was said here, the only "sentiment of failure" here was based on the fact that it would be a CuSn8 case. Simply based on the price and provenance: Very low price and Asia. The rest was just pointed at as a warning about any deposit: Since there is no background. I think we can all agree on that.
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| Posted: Sat Jul 27th, 2013 11:03 am |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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this is a quote from the Makara owner: "First it's not easy at all to get investors. And most of the time they'll require existing sales. So, you have to finance the business yourself in the beginning. So either you save for several years, or borrow from someone who trusts you, or borrow on a credit card. And then what, you just produce a batch of watches and hope to sell them? It's an enormous risk!" "As I said before, I believe running a pre-order is the best way to validate a business idea. And it has avantages for both sides: the business owner doesn't take a huge risk, and the customer usually gets a very good deal. Win-win!" this sums it up for me,he doesn't want to take any risk with his own money,if he has any to begin with,and he believes it's a win-win when he does not have to take a huge risk and the customer "usually" gets a good deal...I emphasize usually.  btw,he doesn't accept paypal...
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