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Posted: Thu Jun 21st, 2007 11:43 am

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canadajo
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At first I thought it a joke ?!?!? I guess its for real ....but why Debraufear , or whatever ????

Posted: Thu Jun 21st, 2007 12:27 pm

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Did you send it back considering that the holes are drilled to high on the case, and the end link was sanded to long or the entire mold for the case was out of spec.?

Posted: Thu Jun 21st, 2007 12:36 pm

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Nope, but thanks to your insight I now wish I had.

Posted: Thu Jun 21st, 2007 12:52 pm

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e.avery wrote:
I can only hope to gain your WIS knowledge Eric....TY for the great pics and insight!hand6.gif at $375. it looks like a great buy compared to what Foster received for $550.coyote2.gif I purchesed mine for $375 brand new and think it is a great watch for the price, but then again what the hell do I know.

You people kill me with what you all "know".

Posted: Thu Jun 21st, 2007 04:19 pm

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They look like a decent watch for the money and it was a toss up for me between an Ocean 1 and the Archimede pilot I ended up with. I just had to laugh at a post on another forum that suggested you should pick up a Steinhart labeled Ocean 1 before it becomes "a historical collectors item."

Last edited on Thu Jun 21st, 2007 04:20 pm by JCKoLnturn

Posted: Thu Jun 21st, 2007 04:46 pm

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Foster if they are half the Co. they should be they will still warranty that is a blatant defect and just tell them, it up set you. I would replace it at no charge if it was one of mine period. You have had it about 1 year I think, I do not have a perfect memory, they should get you a new one.

Posted: Thu Jun 21st, 2007 04:49 pm

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I've had it 6 months....I'll pull the paperwork when I get home.

I have heard nothing but good things about their CS so....

Posted: Thu Jun 21st, 2007 05:00 pm

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I wish you luck, if you have a problem with them PM me and I may know some one that can handle it.

Posted: Thu Jun 21st, 2007 06:11 pm

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Thanks!

Posted: Fri Sep 28th, 2007 01:53 pm

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Matt V wrote: The name Steinhart first surfaced through Simon Steinhart, a gentleman who managed a well established watch company in the early 1900s.

:X Oh brother.... how they are desperate to create ANY provenance to "real" watchmaking. As if this had anything to do with "Steinhart & Elbl GbR"....

The other, much larger, watch company threatened to sue if we did not change our name and our logo.

Hmmm.. the application for a trademark "Steinhart" http://tarr.uspto.gov/servlet/tarr?regser=serial&entry=76655806 wasn't successful (Current Status: An office action making FINAL a refusal to register the mark has been mailed. Date of Status: 2007-01-19) and the word is out about QA issues with their watches.

Oddly enough, they already filed for trademark protection of the new name back in November 2006 (see the USPTO site).

Foresight or Coincidence? :?

How convenient to come up with this story ... and even continue to exploit it
Here were are, a small independent company that, without even trying, made a much larger company feel threatened. Imagine that.

Who would actually feel threatened by them? Steinhausen? :shock: But it gets better:

The origins of the Débaufré name can be traced back to the year 1704, when in conjunction with Nicholas Facio, Jacob and Peter Débaufré were granted a patent for the application of jewels to the pivot holes of watches and clocks which revolutionized the art of watch-making, a practice so far ahead of its time that it still is used today in most mechanical watches.

Honestly, I am turned off by such a desperate attempt to create a connection with watchmaking history and provenance. Dishonest fluff and unfortunately, many innocent buyers may fall for such a deception. :(

fraud (frôd) pronunciation
n.
1. A deception deliberately practiced in order to secure unfair or unlawful gain.
2. A piece of trickery; a trick.

1. One that defrauds; a cheat.
2. One who assumes a false pose; an impostor.

Steinhausen, Klaus Kobec, Krug Baumen ... and now these guys! :X

JM2C and YMMV

Matt

Damn. I have been doing heavy research on the Steinhart/Debaufre Aircraft and Aircraft8 and thought it had to be to good to be true.

Are there really as many QA issues with their watches? :(

While I may never buy a Debaufre now...at least I found a very cool website oriented for those who love watches! The silver lining....

Last edited on Fri Sep 28th, 2007 02:03 pm by Blackwind

Posted: Fri Sep 28th, 2007 03:25 pm

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Blackwind wrote: Matt V wrote: The name Steinhart first surfaced through Simon Steinhart, a gentleman who managed a well established watch company in the early 1900s.

:X Oh brother.... how they are desperate to create ANY provenance to "real" watchmaking. As if this had anything to do with "Steinhart & Elbl GbR"....

The other, much larger, watch company threatened to sue if we did not change our name and our logo.

Hmmm.. the application for a trademark "Steinhart" http://tarr.uspto.gov/servlet/tarr?regser=serial&entry=76655806 wasn't successful (Current Status: An office action making FINAL a refusal to register the mark has been mailed. Date of Status: 2007-01-19) and the word is out about QA issues with their watches.

Oddly enough, they already filed for trademark protection of the new name back in November 2006 (see the USPTO site).

Foresight or Coincidence? :?

How convenient to come up with this story ... and even continue to exploit it
Here were are, a small independent company that, without even trying, made a much larger company feel threatened. Imagine that.

Who would actually feel threatened by them? Steinhausen? :shock: But it gets better:

The origins of the Débaufré name can be traced back to the year 1704, when in conjunction with Nicholas Facio, Jacob and Peter Débaufré were granted a patent for the application of jewels to the pivot holes of watches and clocks which revolutionized the art of watch-making, a practice so far ahead of its time that it still is used today in most mechanical watches.

Honestly, I am turned off by such a desperate attempt to create a connection with watchmaking history and provenance. Dishonest fluff and unfortunately, many innocent buyers may fall for such a deception. :(

fraud (frôd) pronunciation
n.
1. A deception deliberately practiced in order to secure unfair or unlawful gain.
2. A piece of trickery; a trick.

1. One that defrauds; a cheat.
2. One who assumes a false pose; an impostor.

Steinhausen, Klaus Kobec, Krug Baumen ... and now these guys! :X

JM2C and YMMV

Matt

Damn. I have been doing heavy research on the Steinhart/Debaufre Aircraft and Aircraft8 and thought it had to be to good to be true.

Are there really as many QA issues with their watches? :(

While I may never buy a Debaufre now...at least I found a very cool website oriented for those who love watches! The silver lining....

Blackwind...welcome to 3T. I have a Steinhart MACH 1, with a VERY complicated Dubois Dépraz (DD 2020) movement factory built on the basic ETA 2824-2. I have had absolutely no issues with it. Wish I could say that for some other brands I have...like a 300M GMT that got wet in a rainstorm .

I have heard very few, if any, complaints about Steinhart Quality or customer service!

Posted: Fri Sep 28th, 2007 03:33 pm

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Welcome to 3T BW!....I also have a Steinhart and have had nothing but great performance with themhand6.gif My only CS issue was handled promptly and taken care of immediatelycool10.gifI wouldn't pull up one members post and hold it to gospelwatch2.gif

http://www.timetechtalk.com/view_topic.php?id=7703&forum_id=1&highlight=steinhart

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