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| BOB for those living in natural desaster prone regions | Rating: 
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| Posted: Tue Nov 6th, 2007 08:02 pm |
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e.avery 3T WIS 
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BOB (Bug out Bag) what you may need to stay alive in a chaotic situation. From what I've seen folks will chose a few styles of packs. Basically I have narrowed it down to 3 styles. 1. Surplus/military- Alice/molle or other large framed military packs. 2. Civilian - internal/external framed packs 3. New Mil spec- BFM, eagle and other "3 day assault" frame less packs. I feel that framed packs are the only way to go once an extended stay BOB is packed or you want more than 3 days of gear. My reason is most framed packs are above 3000 cubic inches. This gives you Plenty of space to carry 3-5 days of gear or 3 days of gear and extras (deep winter clothing or extra food and ammo) I say framed because once you exceed 25-30lbs I feel most frame less packs lack the support needed for those loads. The frame also allows you to tie off and add extras to the pack with out much effort or "felt" increase in weight due to their design. You need to make sure you have your basics covered before ANYTHING else, these are water, food, and shelter. With out those 3 you will succumb to the elements very quickly. Water: you should always have a way to store and filter it. Some of the more popular ways to store water are bladders or water bags like the Camelback or Platypus. These are light weight and easy to store in your pack. For example, most folks use a 2-3 liter, and then have Dromedary bags or Nalgene bottles for camp. These are some of the best bets going for storage and use IMHO. For a BOB a bladder for on the go, hydration is best. You must remember though you are sipping H20 not drinking large amounts, this is the only down fall of having a bladder-only set up. So, it is best to combine them or force yourself to drink constantly while on the go! There are many water filters on the market. Two good choices are the MSR filters and the Katadyn filters. All are light weight and are proven in the field by military and backpackers across the world. If you chose not to have a filter, you need to have at least some water tablets. Food for 3 days, it isn't much, but you have to make sure that you have enough packed to ensure your body gets what it needs! There are many packed meals out there from the MRE to freeze dried gourmet meals. From a BOB aspect you need to have both hot and cold meals. When using your BOB, you may not have a fire or ability to cook. Having some fast easy to access food is important. MRE's are the best for on the go foods BUT they are heavy, even when broken down, but they are a great source of what you need to stay on top of things. Freeze dried like Mountain house are great for in camp or when you need a hot meal. Their main advantage is that they are light and easy to carry; their down fall is the price. Dried foods like rice, noodles, and soup mixes are also a good choice. These are light, and very cheap. I like to pack Lipton rice/pasta sides. I’ve had very good luck with these, cook times are short, the price is low and there is enough food to even feed 2 if need be. Normal packages weigh in around 5-7oz's! I pack one of these each day for the dinner meals and no-cook meals for lunch, like MRE entrees, trail mix, or an energy bar. Bagged tuna can also be used in simple meals by itself, and so can salmon or dried beef. Of course I can go on and on about different foods but these are pretty basic meals, and ones used by the majority of folks with Bob’s since there shelf life is so long. Shelter- This is a VERY weather dependant choice along with personal comfort levels. The most common shelter is the tent. For a BOB I would stay with something under 5 lbs like the Eureka spitfire or the Exponet Inyo 2. A tent like that will normally run you 50-150$ for a name brand or more if you really want a fancy one. Your shelter is the 2nd bulkiest and heaviest item in your BOB, other than ammo and water. Tarps/ponchos are a very common item in Bob’s and everyone has them. A small ultra light tarp or poncho will shelter a person easily even in harsh weather, if the rest of their shelter system is not in order. The tarp can also add extra protection and concealment to your tent. As a rain cover, ground cloth, or a cooking/dinning fly/wind break. In some of the smaller tents it is a warm welcome to stretch your legs under a poncho rain fly, instead of being cooped up inside of a small tent. Clothing– Yes this is shelter, with out clothing you’re exposed to the elements. The clothing you pack in your BOB is also very weather dependant, but a good basic set up should start with this. Spare socks- I suggest that a wool blend like Smartwool or for hotter temps a Lycra spandex blend. Cotton socks will work in hotter climates but in colder climates you'll want the moisture wicking of the others. Base layer- This is what you'll wear in cold temps or at night. The most common are Poly Pro's, Polar Max, Under Armor and its knock offs. These all insulate you and keep moisture away from your body. Wet is dead IMHO. Outer shell- This is everything from a basic nylon windbreaker to a Gore-Tex parka. This helps to keep the wind and water off you. The newer fabrics these days also breathe (Gore-Tex); also helps keep down your pack weight. A light weight Gore-Tex shell with a heavy poly pro fleece liner will serve most well through the majority of temps. That’s the basics of a BOB. There is a ton of stuff you can pack in your BOB but with out those 3 things you’re going to be hurting! This isn't an end all list, as gear is personal choices, and I left out a lot. So now we have food, shelter, and water in your BOB. These items are your 3 bulkiest items and sometimes the heaviest! They are the 3 items you NEED to stay alive. Now, other things you want to carry in a BOB. Since you'll be using you BOB in a stressful event you want a PLAN. This doesn't go in your BOB (it could) but, it’s what will lead you to USE your BOB! You will want some tools, communications, and comfort items along with extras. Tools- Tools are a wide variety of objects from a set of multi pliers to a decked out Mp5. Some basic tools that a BOB should have or incorporate are a multi-tool, hack saw blade, and wood saw. Knife- To stay basic you will want a design that will do 99% of day to day work. I’ve found that a good 3 to 5 inch folder or fixed blade will do! My set up incorporates the RC-3 along with my SOG multi-tool. I have larger duty blades and the smaller multi-tool for small work. Shovel- Heavy item IMHO, and a waste of space. If you must, a plastic garden trowel will work for most of what you need, like digging fire pits or to bury waste. Axe/Saw- Heavy item, I think an axe is great but the large size is a big no-no. The saw is the best bet IMHO, due to its size and noise the Friskers folding saw or the 15” Sven Saw are a good choice. An axe/hatchet can be heard from along ways off. Weapon- This is a tool that will vary form person to person... for a NON tactical BO event the KISS (Keep it simple stupid) rule applies the most robust and simple to use weapon is the best choice. To me that would be a good bolt gun, I like 762x51 NATO round. Again, for a NON tactical use, but with enough power to take down what I need to! Sidearm- Also a weapon/tool for our BOB... it should be a 22lr IMHO. Your self defense sidearm should be part of your Line two or fighting gear NOT you’re BOB! The 22lr sidearm is perfect for small game getting in a small compact package! Communications- You've bugged out, now what? When is it safe to go back, can you ever go back? You need some way to communicate, be it am/fm/short wave or HAM radio. I don't really carry a lot of comm. in my BOB because of their weight. Like weapons, some people are heavy in this area. Navigation – You need to know where you’re going right? You do know don't you? Navigation gear is pretty basic. A good compass, which you KNOW how to use A good set of AO maps A GPS- if you must A set of batteries for the GPS Know how to use the 1st two you won’t need the GPS IMHO! Comfort items- These items are the misc. fluff and stuff we all carry. These are personal items that will make you BO a Little cushy or a Little more relaxing. A good wipe down with a set of wipes after 2 days on the trail without a bath may be a god send to some. IMHO there is no limit or list of what comfort items should be, but they should NEVER out weigh or be taken over what you NEED. This is what we talk about in my spare time. Hope everyone has a good week.
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| Posted: Tue Nov 6th, 2007 08:06 pm |
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e.avery 3T WIS
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Itemized List Pack Maxpedition Vulture-2 Backpack Water- 3 liter bladder with carrier 1- 1liter Nalgene 2- 2liter Platypus bags Katadyn hiker filter Viral stop Shelter- Tent with rain fly or 2 tarps and 8 stakes Sleeping bag or Bivi sack Closed Cell foam sleeping mat Under 50 Deg F- 0 Deg F rated bag Food- 2- Lipton rice sides 4 MRE entrees 1- 3oz pack of tuna or salmon 6- small single serve baggies of trail mix 6- granola bars 4-packs of honey 5- packs of hot sauce 2- packs of the jelly belly beans 2- packs of MRE drink mix 1- Ti Spork 1- length of foil folded over (2ft worth) 1- spare MRE matches or equivalent Vitamins MSR Whisper light stove and Ti Pot Miscellaneous Good field knife, preferably made of an alloy that can be easily field sharpened Small hacksaw blade SOG Multi Tool 1-extra lighter Magnesium fire starter with Dryer lint or Vaseline on cotton balls for a backup starter or Blastmatch 50’ to 75’ of 550 cord Bug spray BOB fishing kit 1 roll of TP in zip lock freezer bag Hygiene kit- tooth brush, paste, wipes, eye drops, etc LED lamp (my favorite Mini-Mag AA with Cree LED or the Surefire Outdoorsman Cree LED) Compass on neck rope OD bandana Area of Operation maps (2) Set of 4 AA and 123 lithium batteries Duct Tape is always a plus (to save weight & space rewrap it around your Nalgene bottle) 2 Commercial .3 mil trash bag liners can serve as emergency poncho, and a million other uses Zip Ties 15” Sven Saw Large First Aid Kit Clothing Etc. USGI poncho Ear plugs 5.11 Tactical Aggressor Shell and pile Liner (winter) Good clothing layering system, Under Armor shirt Heat Gear or Cold Gear, and Boots Polly Pro long underwear top and bottoms (Winter) 2 pair wool blend socks Gloves Hat Weapon Hand gun of some common caliber 4 spare magazines 2 loaded and 100 extra rounds Rifle of your choice Total weight w/out added winter bags is 25 to 30lbs. This is for 3 days in temps over 45-50f. Any lower temp than 3 days weight will be more!
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| Posted: Tue Nov 6th, 2007 10:39 pm |
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zippofan 3T WIS 
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Great post! hand6.gif I have a lot of the gear listed thanks to the Boy Scouts but I don't have a frame pack yet (or the firearms, but working on that one, my son will have his new Ruger 10/22 this weekend for his birthday). I'll have to pick up some frame packs for the family. It might take longer for my 22 pistol but I will get one! Cheers, Griff
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| Posted: Wed Nov 7th, 2007 02:48 am |
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e.avery 3T WIS
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Sounds great Griff, I have never been let down by my 10/22. Here are some other Idea's Duct Tape is always a plus (to save weight & space rewrap it around your Nalgene bottle) 2 Commercial .3 mil trash bag liners can serve as emergency poncho, and a million other uses Zip Ties Have a good one!
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