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 Posted: Thu May 19th, 2011 06:31 pm
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Paladin wrote: Well... You have all convinced me! I guess I have another watch to throw in the trash even though I have had a years issue-free service.no one is saying that Bill,and I feel the same way about a box full of Invictas I own...I won't throw them out but I can't sell them either...so enjoy it Buddy...ThumbsUp02.gif

...and it doesn't change the fact that Invictas QC/CS is the worst,nor that they have a terrible resale value.Even with all these issues against them, they continue to sell because there will always be those who will argue their greatness...at least until they become the victim.
...not sure if Prometheus wants to end up with this type of rep,and I am sure he is looking at this thread as a bash while he reads it,but there has been some very positive advice given as to how the situation should be handled, that seems to be falling on death ears.


...So I have to ask Bill,had your new watch arrive with issues,far more than one,would you want your watch repaired or replaced?


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 Posted: Thu May 19th, 2011 08:21 pm
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Ok guys, ready for the final solution?
Everything is sorted out! happy guy.gif

Carlos gave me the complete and full choice of either returning the watch for a new one, or getting the job done elsewhere, all at my discretion. So kudos is in place.
I considered getting a new watch, but decided getting the job done with a company that I know does great lume work, and also can clean the dial (of course a given if reluming is to be done:0) And also I opted to get the whole watch relumed (hands, dial and V pip) in a nice white lume that glows green (but for the reluming of the dial and hands I payed myself, as even though the lume on the dial is weak, it in fact was not a fault with my watch, rather than just a not so good lume. So did not feel right to have Carlos pay for the whole reluming, only the V pip. But he actually suggested the he payed for the whole thing. I have never wanted to be unreasonable here, just to get done what I felt needed fixing, so not right to take advantage when he`s in a squeeze (imho) ).

I think it´s gonna look great when it´s finally done!
Carlos has already made the payment for the job to me just minutes ago, so will put the watch in the post right away after finishing this post. Also Carlos sent me a set of new hex screws free of charge, so appreciate that also.

So, this matter is finished as far as I´m concerned. And although a few obstacles, Carlos has come thru, and done good by his customer.
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Carlos also offered his deepest apologies for closing the thread (as he should)

Carlos has not in any way asked me to rectify him here or at WUS, but right should be right, so even though I promised myself NEVER to post on WUS again, I will stick out my head once again (but I´ll will dress for the $hit-storm certain to come, LOL)


Rolf

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 Posted: Fri May 20th, 2011 02:52 am
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So Rolf,are you only getting a re-lume...what about the non aesthetic issues you spoke of?homerthinks.gif
But, here we come the the first issue ...The crown for adjusting the internal bezel has quite a lot of play. I would say mine has about a 1-1,5mm play and is quite loose. Being so loose, most of the time the V pip on the bezel is of-centre to 12 o´clock. Not a BIG thing, but something I find irritating. There is no real reason why this crown should be so loose.

The minute hand on mine however is not completely coated in black

The start/stop button is firm and nice, but the reset button on mine is loose both from side to side
and up and down

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 Posted: Fri May 20th, 2011 06:53 am
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oagaspar wrote: So Rolf,are you only getting a re-lume...what about the non aesthetic issues you spoke of?homerthinks.gif
But, here we come the the first issue ...The crown for adjusting the internal bezel has quite a lot of play. I would say mine has about a 1-1,5mm play and is quite loose. Being so loose, most of the time the V pip on the bezel is of-centre to 12 o´clock. Not a BIG thing, but something I find irritating. There is no real reason why this crown should be so loose.

The minute hand on mine however is not completely coated in black

The start/stop button is firm and nice, but the reset button on mine is loose both from side to side
and up and down

Those issues are to be looked at also, but after asking others that own ocean divers, I might seem like there is a bit of play in all crowns, and as Carlos himself stated the reset button was that way by design( a bit loose) to work properly with the movement. I won`t say I`m very happy with that, but when so, If I choose to get a new watch from him instead, I might just be stuck with all the same issues (but no dust), and still want it relumed, and looked at. So this way, I get the issues sorted as best they can be I guess. But, I was strongly considering getting the new watch and go from there at my own expense (relume). And as the hands are also being repainted, the issues with them not completely covered are also solved.  So, others might have chosen differently, but I feel this way I get most of the things I want done. At least when I ended up in this mess in the first place. And all I want is to have the watch I ordered, fault-free and with better lume. And now I`ll have that.

And things could and should have been done differently from the beginning (QC is a big thing imho, when one advertise it the way it is), but at least now it`s finally sorted out.

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I hope that you will be satisfied by the job done Rolf! Post the result when you get it back!

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 Posted: Fri May 20th, 2011 11:22 am
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Rolf I am glad Carlos has stepped forward and is working with you to make you happy. This is commendable onhis part.

There is just one thing I don't understand. You state the watch needs a relume for you to be satisfied with it. You also state you like the watch. I would contend you actually do not like the watch as offered from the seller but rather a modified version of the watch.

Carlos has addressed the majority of your initial issue but the poor lume is the way the watch is... this wouldn't make me like or want the watch. JMHO. You will be the final judge.

Again, it is great news that your issues are being addressed to your satisfaction.

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 Posted: Fri May 20th, 2011 12:32 pm
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Paxman wrote: Rolf I am glad Carlos has stepped forward and is working with you to make you happy. This is commendable onhis part.

There is just one thing I don't understand. You state the watch needs a relume for you to be satisfied with it. You also state you like the watch. I would contend you actually do not like the watch as offered from the seller but rather a modified version of the watch.

Carlos has addressed the majority of your initial issue but the poor lume is the way the watch is... this wouldn't make me like or want the watch. JMHO. You will be the final judge.

Again, it is great news that your issues are being addressed to your satisfaction.
Paxman, I see your point, and thru that I in fact was not happy with the watch as it came to me.  But I did in fact like the design of the watch very much, (issues aside, and reason I bought it in the first place, amongst other things) But the issues I had with it, was something that I felt was wrong (broken), and since I later on discovered that the lume in fact was rather poor on it (besides the hands, those are good enough) I really don`t see the lume issue (except the poorly applied V pip) as being a fault, rather than something I personally would have a lot better (being a lume addict) And I also have other watches that I`m not that thrilled about in regards to lume, but this to is an issue I can get sorted by reluming it to my standards. And I guess you to have certain watches that you like, but would like even more if they had maybe different  hands, or a slightly different dial, or ...better lume/other lume color. So the last part is just up to personal preference I guess. So lume on the dial not being something "faulty" on my specific watch (although not good) I felt like that was more of a mod, than a repair issue. And I don`t go and tell other companies that since I`m not completely satisfied with a lume color for instance, I would like them to pay for the mod. But V pip being badly applied lume-wise ...that is something that shouldn`t happen, along side other issues. Hope this clears up my thoughts on this one. And I get that not everyone is agreeing on what I chose to do in the end, but ...my call, and I`m OK with it as it turned out in the end.
And the reason I had for making the post here, was the situation with the CS and the whole WUS/closing thread thing, but also the issues I felt wasn`t addressed properly, at that time.
And I will say a big thankyou.gif to all that have shown your support and understanding with this matter. So thx all you guys!

you rock.gif

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All's well that ends well, Rolf. Glad to know Carlos pulled through and stood behind the watch. He did the right thing....muy bien!

Enjoy it in good health, amigo!
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If you are happy Rolf ,then that is all that matters my friend!...Kudos to Carlos and I hope everyone took something positive away from this.ThumbsUp02.gif

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 Posted: Sat May 21st, 2011 04:28 pm
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Let me start my post this way:

"Prometheus was the son of Iapetus who was one of the Titans. He tricked the gods into eating bare bones instead of good meat. He stole the sacred fire from Zeus and the gods. Prometheus did not tell Zeus the prophecy that one of Zeus's sons will overthrow him. In punishment, Zeus commanded that Prometheus be chained for eternity in the Caucasus. There, an eagle (or, according to other sources, a vulture) would eat his liver, and each day the liver would be renewed. So the punishment was endless, until Heracles finally killed the bird. Prometheus is known to be one of the most interesting characters in Greek Mythology."

When you buy a "Prometheus", you are not buying a watch, you are buying Carlos.  The 1st POS Prometheus was a copy of a famous brand watch which Carlos swore was original as he had "hired a famous designer to come up with an ORIGINAL design".  Then he charged an unreasonable price for a Chinese watch stuffed with an ineffective "Seagull" movement swearing it was every bit as good as the ETA2814-2.  To me, that speaks volumes as to the character of the man.

People were immediately banned from his official WUS forum (and let's not forget that Ernie's intent in creating WUS was to sell watches, not to keep owners and collectors informed as a true forum does) for even questioning the originality of the design or anything else...and yes, I openly admit that I was immediately banned for questioning the "accuracy" of +20 seconds per day mentioned in a "Jittery Jim" review, stating that a watch of that price should be both regulated and then adjusted to a higher standard prior to shipping.

That said, and as you have read in the overly long litany of complaints about Carlos and his ethical behavior (although he was ultimately forced into doing what was right), regardless of how great the watch might look, when you buy a Prometheus watch, you are really buying the personal integrity and business ethics and moral values of Carlos...so, let me refer you back to the legend on Prometheus.

"He tricked the gods into eating bare bones instead of good meat. He stole the sacred fire from Zeus and the gods"...and from what I have seen and read of his current and past events, IMO it looks as if he hasn't changed his ways!

When you are dealing in "boutique" watches, it is important to buy the man, not simply the watch!  jmpo


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 Posted: Sat May 21st, 2011 09:38 pm
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That eating his liver thing kinda ruined my dinner.  blah.gif

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 Posted: Sat May 21st, 2011 11:02 pm
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Welcome back Ken!...good to see you are feeling your Ol'self again Buddy!...

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