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 Posted: Mon Feb 14th, 2011 03:16 am
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Has anyone had any success removing the bezel from a Sandoz Sub?  I can get the knife tool under and am able to lift the bezel some, but it just won't come off.  My goal is to replace the submariner insert with a GMT.  Thanks in advance for any help.

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 Posted: Mon Feb 14th, 2011 04:05 am
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pics of the watch would help but if you're just replacing the insert why do you have to remove the entire bezel?

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 Posted: Mon Feb 14th, 2011 04:26 am
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The insert sits inside the bezel.  To get the insert out, the bezel needs to be removed so the insert can be pushed out from the underside.  There are vids on Youtube showing how to do it with Rolex's, and it seems pretty simple.  I just hadn't counted on the force that's required.

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that Sandoz is a far cry from a Rolex and it looks like you can remove that insert by placing a sharp edged knife under it at an angle and lift the insert out...most likely it is glued in...

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 Posted: Mon Feb 14th, 2011 12:41 pm
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Actually, it's very similar to a Rolex -- not that Sandoz was trying to be a Rolex, but side-by-side shots of them together show them to be very similar.  The fact that I can use a Rolex GMT insert in it proves the point, nor would I assume that the insert is glued in.  I've thought about a knife edge, but don't want to screw up the edge of the bezel itself.

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 Posted: Mon Feb 14th, 2011 02:54 pm
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Watchcowboy wrote: Actually, it's very similar to a Rolex -- not that Sandoz was trying to be a Rolex, but side-by-side shots of them together show them to be very similar.  The fact that I can use a Rolex GMT insert in it proves the point, nor would I assume that the insert is glued in.  I've thought about a knife edge, but don't want to screw up the edge of the bezel itself.sorry to have to put it to you this way but a lesson is a lesson...don't kid yourself my friend that Sandoz is no where near a Rolex as the only similarity it may have is the same as a replica which is what you probably have there a ...a rebranded rep ...I have seen enough of these Asian Sandoz that have popped up over the past 8 years or so to know what I'm talking about ...your watch ..so do as you like but if you are installing a genuine Rolex GMT bezel on that watch then the bezel will be worth more than the watch itself...and until that bezel is installed there is No fact at all....save your $ my friend or just go on the Bay and pick up a aftermarket insert for around 20 bucks...

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 Posted: Mon Feb 14th, 2011 03:32 pm
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here is a short tutorial:
I had a similar case here and as you can see I ran it under some hot water for a couple minutes to loosen the insert glue(or you could place the watch in a bowl of hot water)....I then took a sharp knife and easily slid it under the bezel insert and it came off without problem,actually quite easily...took about 5 minutes total.
....I would suggest you remove the movement/dial before doing this unless you feel that Sandoz is actually water resistant.
...I hope this helps.
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under hot water aprox.2 minutes

sharp knife(or xacto knife if you prefer) under insert,quite easy once the glue is soft as the insert actually lifts once the glue softens..

and finally the insert is removed without any probelms or damage to the case or bezel insert.

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 Posted: Mon Feb 14th, 2011 03:56 pm
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The main point of these forums is supposed to be to have fun with a hobby we enjoy.  You're a wet blanket -- you need to learn some tact.  I know a Sandoz isn't a Rolex, and of course I'm not installing a $400 bezel insert -- that would be idiotic.  However, the case design on a Sandoz is extremely similar to a Rolex, and, it has a very nice ETA 2824-2 movement in it.  I'm a mechanical engineer, and have designed many, many . . . many! part over the years, and I can say that the differences in the cases between Rolex and Sandoz is minimal, and looking at them purely from the materials and design details, Rolex's are way, way overpriced.  There is no magic in Rolex cases -- they're machined out of 316 stainless using the same CNC machines that most of the other watches in the world are made of.

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 Posted: Mon Feb 14th, 2011 04:58 pm
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Watchcowboy wrote: The main point of these forums is supposed to be to have fun with a hobby we enjoy.  You're a wet blanket -- you need to learn some tact.  I know a Sandoz isn't a Rolex, and of course I'm not installing a $400 bezel insert -- that would be idiotic.  However, the case design on a Sandoz is extremely similar to a Rolex, and, it has a very nice ETA 2824-2 movement in it.  I'm a mechanical engineer, and have designed many, many . . . many! part over the years, and I can say that the differences in the cases between Rolex and Sandoz is minimal, and looking at them purely from the materials and design details, Rolex's are way, way overpriced.  There is no magic in Rolex cases -- they're machined out of 316 stainless using the same CNC machines that most of the other watches in the world are made of.  You made this statement"The fact that I can use a Rolex GMT insert in it proves the point"...you need to do a whole lot of research my confused friend and if it is tact you want then I can only say here you are going to get it straight ...you took the "fun" out of it by coming here looking for advice and then try to lecture us on something that most of us know is BS as far as your Sandoz/Rolex comparisons.
....I can understand starting somewhere with a project and applaud you for trying but you stated a "Rolex GMT bezel" as stated above which led me to believe it was genuine...my bad.
...btw Rolex uses a 904L SS and again you are way out of line with your thinking that $100. Sandoz case is anywhere near that of a Rolex or even machined on the same model CNC machine!...as I said any replica is similar that is why they are reps or homages or whatever you want to call them and similarity is all you have...it ends there! and in this case that duck don't quack Buddy!
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...I'm sorry I took time out of my day to post up a tutorial to help you out with all your wisdom as an engineer and all.mistake.gif
...now if you don't care to try my way because you fear that Sandoz will leak then here is a right way to remove a bezel...1st which is not mentioned in the link tutorial is to turn the bezel so the pip is not aligned at 12 as it will make removing the bezel easier imho....this was easily found by using the 3T search engine.ThumbsUp02.gif

http://www.network54.com/Forum/78440/message/1230350316/DIY-+How+to+%3Cspan%20style=

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 Posted: Tue Feb 15th, 2011 12:03 am
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Unbelievable. What an ass. Why waste your time, Oscar? You asnwered this schmoe's question but apparetnly didn't do it in the corredt manner so he thread poops you.

Cowboy my ass...

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