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Hammerfjord wrote:TempestBen wrote:
Do you guys trust OceanicTime then...?
http://oceanictime.blogspot.com/2011/06/tempest-viking-prototype.html
Well, this small "review" just describe what we allready saw or knew...
So I would say that it's not much of a review...
The pictures are talking from themselves and I don't considerate this writing as a professional review.
A review would be:
Full description of the lug-screws system with pictures of the screws?
Is there any good or long lasting lume?
What is the weight of the watch as it seems big plus wrist shots with wrist size to compare...
Any picture compared to a known watch model for the sizes
How many seconds the movement win/loose by day with a normal wear?
Is the bezel ratchet's click hard/smooth/sitting in fast/right place after beeing manupilated such as any slack?
Is there any anti-reflect coating inside/outside and is it doing a good job in full sun exposure? How many layers of it if you know it?
Seems like a slightly domed crystal: Is it? Simple dome or double dome?
Is the watch comfortable to wear a whole day and sitting well balanced on the wrist?
Are the screws who are poping out of the bracelet not getting/digging in the hand sides when the watch hang down on a relaxed arm?
Are the grooves on the case accumulating dust and crap pretty fast?
Are the crown-guards comfortable on the back of the hand with them edged shape?
Is the DLC a hard PVD or a real DLC like Dievas producted on one of it's model?.......And so on....
That's what's called a review in the watch's world and if I would have met you, I would have done my best to leave you with all those answers in my note-book!
So as I see this guy: He came, he saw, he left empty hands...Pitty because he had all the occasion to make it!
And more conclusive if possible:
If the watches are finished in Switzerland as you state: Is the DLC performed there or in Germany?
Who is testing the watch on water-resistance and movement regulating: A Swiss lab or a German one?
Any documentation/picture about the movement's grade in decoration or any ETA grading?
And a top finish who would reassure all readers as potential buyers about the claims: Who finish, assemble and test the Viking in Switzerland?
Because if there is something who makes us spit money without counting on few hundreds more: It's a proof that the Swiss factory is not a mail-box.
Doxa burned them sorry asses on that with Walca Far-East doing all the job and sitting with apparently only an office's address in Zurich from where we still wait factory machines pictures!
You should seriously watch and learn from Doxa's failures as everybody else making watches with different factories in different countries, using the 51% Swiss law to get the Swiss-Made label.
Being transparent will always save your ass.
That's a full review: Oceanic time wasn't even touching it with the tip of his fingers and I feel sorry for this guy who really lack of curiosity...
William...all good points, and I agree these would be the things a WIS would want to know about a production model piece...but, remember the only thing that exists right now from Tempest are a few PROTOTYPE watches which already have a number of known issues that need to be sorted out in the production run.
...I'm just sayin'...
You guys are being tough on Ben from Tempest (and well...that's just fine by me...I fully understand that a WIS must have a high level of skepticism when considering an unproven, new venture). The more information a watch builder can give his watch buying public, the better (but, Forums can be a challenging environment...I've seen the BIG NAMES really alienate forum goers...step on their own #@%* with the information that is given...).
Ultimately, a watch manufacturer is going to live or die by the end product that is turned out. Screw it up and be exposed for turning out a second rate product with horrible customer service...manufacture a winner with top notch customer service, and well...I think the success and failure of recent micro-brands pretty much tells the story! (all IMO)...
Common Chris: You know as much as we all do that 99% of all those questions could be answered from now just by holding the watch and getting a constructive chat with Ben.
About the lume, the crystal, weight, bracelet and all that: I doubt that the proto, don't have any ratchet allready and Ben could name up some of those features if they should be ameliorated.
The modifications on the prototype are allready named (crown guard and bezel marking...) and the movement are told to be in the box so Ben also knows what they are made off.
Nobody is getting hardcore here: The guy from Oceanic.T could have come with so much more details and you know that: Or what was the point of this first presentation? Showing pictures we allready seen?
I'm trying to be pragmatic here and I keep to the facts: I don't have any secret holy-war going on toward Ben at all and he certainly understand my curiosity.
I've been as this curious with Benarus and Kazimon from who I bought a watch and they answered my questions without an eye-blink.
Ben or someone else from Tempest allready stated openly on Facebook : "The case blanks are first made in China. Then the blanks are shipped to Switzerland for final finishing and assembly. This is exactly the same practice for alot of big brands"
What I found very honest and a good start as what we call "beeing transparent" but if so, it should not be difficult to explain the rest, as Ben now lives in Hong-Kong and if he will get the watches shipped back again to him for final inspection for exemple...?
Or will they be shipped from Switzerland? Because sending blanks from H.K to Switz, and back to H.K seems a bit fastidious...
Because that's things we all wonder about: Even yourself.
Let's say that it would contribute to promote Tempest in the right way and prepare a good launching!
