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| Posted: Thu Dec 15th, 2011 09:27 pm |
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joecb 3T WIS 
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I just saw this posted by Oceanic times, and all pics were side profile shots, but I'm pretty sure this is the A-1...I think it looks pretty damm good!! Attachment: BRONZE_Cushion_Case_(teaser)_01.jpg (Downloaded 511 times)
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| Posted: Thu Dec 15th, 2011 09:29 pm |
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joecb 3T WIS
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Another pic of the two different bezels Attachment: BRONZE_Cushion_Case_(teaser)_03.jpg (Downloaded 513 times)
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| Posted: Fri Dec 16th, 2011 12:05 am |
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MadMex 3T WIS 
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Shouldn't the crown be at the 4 o'clock position? Also the case has no lug-holes and no bottom curvature taper, and the bezel has too many notches to be the A-1.
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| Posted: Fri Dec 16th, 2011 12:10 am |
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joecb 3T WIS
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Yeah...I'm not sure either...I guess they'll do the full reveal next next...
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| Posted: Fri Dec 16th, 2011 12:12 am |
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boboo1421 3T WIS
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I guess not... A1 bronze will be super domed crystal...
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| Posted: Fri Dec 16th, 2011 12:25 am |
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MadMex 3T WIS
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I've seen that logo on the crown somewhere before... I just can't remember where.
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| Posted: Fri Dec 16th, 2011 12:54 am |
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I just hope it is in the 42-43mm range.
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| Posted: Fri Dec 16th, 2011 08:27 am |
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timesofplenty 3T WIS 
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Auricoste Spirotechnique? Looks awfully blocky...certainly no A1!  Last edited on Fri Dec 16th, 2011 08:29 am by timesofplenty |
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| Posted: Fri Dec 16th, 2011 09:07 am |
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Ventura 3T WIS
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It looks like a bronze Helson Bucaneer or a Tactico like the Bucaneer one but in bronze.
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| Posted: Fri Dec 16th, 2011 09:49 am |
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Yes, the case looks like a Helson Buccaneer. But the bezel is a little different. But this is never an A1
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| Posted: Fri Dec 16th, 2011 05:03 pm |
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this isn't the A1... ...but would be interested to know who?
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| Posted: Sat Dec 17th, 2011 06:02 pm |
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Ventura 3T WIS
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It wasn't the Crepas I got confused the Bucaneer like watch is the SCAFO: http://tz-uk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=189557
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| Posted: Sat Dec 17th, 2011 06:15 pm |
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Axelay2003 3T WIS
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Ventura wrote:It wasn't the Crepas I got confused the Bucaneer like watch is the SCAFO: http://tz-uk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=189557 SCAFO it is.
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| Posted: Sat Dec 17th, 2011 09:50 pm |
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joecb 3T WIS
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Axelay2003 wrote: Ventura wrote: The bronze case & Bezel look great..  I never heard of this brand...like it though+++
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| Posted: Wed Dec 21st, 2011 07:09 am |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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Dive Watch Releases / Articles 2011-12-21 OLIVIER Bronze DIVER By TLex INTRODUCING the latest boutique dive watch brand, Olivier Watches with their debut model the OLIVIER Bronze DIVER. The OLIVIER Watch Co. was started (as many boutiques are) by a true watch enthusiast; one who had fallen for the charms of the ‘bronze diver’, but had become somewhat disillusioned by its price tag.  The founder of OLIVIER, who lives and works in LA as a designer soon realized that the only way that he was going to get the type of bronze diver with the spec. and looks that he wanted, and at a reasonable enough price was to produce it himself.  The OLIVIER Bronze DIVER is based on a classic cushion case design. It is constructed from CuSn8 Marine Grade Bronze, the alloy of choice by those wanting a material that has high structural strength and corrosion resistance to seawater, but that will also develop a lovely patina over time.  Its brushed bronze case measures 45mm in diameter with thickness of 15.5mm. Its lug to lug measurement is just 48mm, which means that it will wear well even on smaller wrists; this was an important factor for its designer, who has 6.5’’ wrist himself.  Further features include: a signed screwdown crown and engraved caseback and an automatic Helium Escape Valve. These components have been constructed from 316L Stainless steel, which allows for a nice contrast between the two different colors of the metal.  The watch has a 4mm thick Sapphire crystal (AR coating inside) and is thoughtfully supplied with two solid bronze 120-click divers bezels; one all-bronze with engraved markers and one with a black insert with white markers. The caseback of the Bronze DIVER depicts the scene of a shipwreck. Notice also the ‘los angeles’ text, cool touch! The case has a water-resistance of 500 meters.  The modern-vintage dial of the OLIVIER Bronze DIVER has been divided into four. I love the font used for the text and am surprised at how much I like the date indicator with its blue pointer. A fairly standard set of orange swords hands have been used, but they work well. There’s a nice pop of color from the blue of the second hand. Multi-layered Swiss C3 SuperLuminova has been applied to the dial markers, hands and 12hr bezel marker.  The watch will be offered with two mechanical movement versions; a Swiss made ETA 2824-2 priced at 850USD and a Japanese made Miyota 8215 priced at 650USD. It will be supplied with a 24mm rubber divers strap with a handmade bronze buckle. For further details on pre-ordering your OLIVIER Bronze DIVER please follow the scuba diver icon at the bottom of the post or click 'HERE' to visit the OLIVIER Facebook page where you will be able to receive regular updates.  
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| Posted: Wed Dec 21st, 2011 08:05 am |
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Axelay2003 3T WIS
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The date wheel is sightly too revealing IMO. Nonetheless, a nice diver with beatiful hands.
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| Posted: Wed Dec 21st, 2011 10:28 am |
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ferro01 3T WIS
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Great & nice watch watch! And a good price for the watch with 2 bezels! Greets ferro01
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| Posted: Wed Dec 21st, 2011 11:35 am |
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afc14284 3T WIS 
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I know i'll get drilled but I don't like those bronze watches... just not mi tastes.. I like the crown inscription though
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| Posted: Wed Dec 21st, 2011 11:57 am |
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Not a bad watch but looking like few who was out lately: Not much new blood there... The name alone will never make me wearing one. "Olivier"/Oliver in English is a French Latin first name meaning the "olive tree" and is way too far from my taste... The guy even don't explain why he choose this first name on the Olivier's site...??? Should the French origin give a luxurious feeling? Remember me of those cheap Asian brands with pseudo French names. 
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| Posted: Wed Dec 21st, 2011 12:22 pm |
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Olivier 3T WIS
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Hey Everyone! Roland here, from Olivier watches, just wanted to drop in and say hey, let you guys all know im here if you have any questions, comments, etc. Looking forward to spending more time here on this forum! Hammerfjord wrote: Not a bad watch but looking like few who was out lately: Not much new blood there... Hey Hammerfjord! I probably should put some info on there about where I got the name. My middle name is Oliver, so I thought Olivier would be a fun twist. And you dont have to think of olive trees, why not think of Oliver the famous european knight, paladin to Charlemagne :) Last edited on Wed Dec 21st, 2011 12:23 pm by Olivier |
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| Posted: Wed Dec 21st, 2011 12:50 pm |
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Hammerfjord Moderator
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Olivier wrote:Hey Everyone! Roland here, from Olivier watches, just wanted to drop in and say hey, let you guys all know im here if you have any questions, comments, etc. Looking forward to spending more time here on this forum! Hello Roland and welcome on 3T! Well, I speak fluently English,Norwegian and French...That's why the name Olivier sounds like that to me: Just sounds like a tree or a usual first name... The thing is(and no offense meant by that) , Olivier was not my choice when I named my son. After that, I like watch brands with an evocative name who's associated with them look/built, what they are designated for or simply something a bit neutral and unique. I don't think that Rolex would have been so popular if they would have been called "John", just my opinion and speculation there... Here's a quote from Mr Wilsdorf about his choice for this Rolex name: " ... short, yet significant, not cumbersome on the dial (thus leaving room enough for the inscription of the English traders name) and above all a word easy enough to memorise, with a pleasant sound and have its pronunciation unchanged whatever European language it is spoken" You can associate this name with "Rolling", "Rex"(King in latin) among other things, but the crown logo represent the king himself and it's a good choice from the start... I am not into Rolex'es , not owning any of them and neither deeply dream of owning one: Just making a known and simple comparison there.
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| Posted: Wed Dec 21st, 2011 12:55 pm |
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Olivier 3T WIS
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Hammerfjord wrote: Hello Roland and welcome on 3T! Well, I speak fluently English,Norwegian and French...That's why the name Olivier sounds like that to me: Just sounds like a tree or a usual first name... Thanks for the warm welcome! and thats actually a pretty fascinating read, the things that can go in a name. I wanted a name that was very much a part of me, and I dont think Roland or Tetenbaum would look very good on a dial heh, thus Olivier was born.
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| Posted: Wed Dec 21st, 2011 01:07 pm |
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Hammerfjord Moderator
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Olivier wrote:Hammerfjord wrote:Hello Roland and welcome on 3T! Well, I speak fluently English,Norwegian and French...That's why the name Olivier sounds like that to me: Just sounds like a tree or a usual first name... I see Roland... "Teten" would have been clinging better to my ears...  Last edited on Wed Dec 21st, 2011 01:08 pm by Hammerfjord |
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| Posted: Wed Dec 21st, 2011 01:35 pm |
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ferro01 3T WIS
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Is the watch Limited? Gretes ferro01
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| Posted: Wed Dec 21st, 2011 01:48 pm |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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Roland,it is a pleasure to have you on 3T...everyone can look forward to Roland and Olivier Watches being the newest sponsor on 3T,and a subforum will be up soon,so the members can discuss Rolands creations...Welcome aboard Roland! http://olivierwatches.com/
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| Posted: Wed Dec 21st, 2011 03:37 pm |
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Skipdawg 3T WIS 
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Hello and welcome aboard 3T.
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| Posted: Wed Dec 21st, 2011 07:12 pm |
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Jeep99dad 3T WIS 
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Welcome Roland and Olivier watches. I'm personally a fan of the watch from the pics posted.
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| Posted: Wed Dec 21st, 2011 08:54 pm |
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Antoine1966 3T WIS 
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Very cool looking time piece..love that signed crown too...welcome aboard!!
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| Posted: Wed Dec 21st, 2011 09:05 pm |
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joecb 3T WIS
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It is always fun to have new brands and designs, welcome Roland, the more the merrier in my opinion, I do like this one, congrats on your debut..
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| Posted: Wed Dec 21st, 2011 10:02 pm |
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Olivier 3T WIS
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Hey Ferro01! Right now we are producing just the first 100 of each movement. ferro01 wrote: Is the watch Limited?
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| Posted: Wed Dec 21st, 2011 10:09 pm |
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Olivier 3T WIS
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Thanks for all the kind words everyone! We are really proud of how it all came together. We live in a great time for watch enthusiasts, with so many options out there! I tried to create the most bang for your buck, feature packed package with some fun features that we don't often see, like the triple date view window.
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| Posted: Thu Dec 22nd, 2011 03:06 am |
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Khronos 3T WIS 
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Big fan and owner of the A1 but was not enamoured with the upcoming bronze (maybe because I have only seen drawings). Really like your Bronze Diver, though, Roland. It looks like a winner to me. Welcome to our thriving 3T community and all the best in your watchmaking endeavours.
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| Posted: Thu Dec 22nd, 2011 07:02 am |
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bigrustypig 3T WIS 
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Looking good....the date feature reminds me of a JLC. Nice touch. Warm welcome to 3T, Roland and Olivier Watch Last edited on Thu Dec 22nd, 2011 07:07 am by bigrustypig |
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| Posted: Thu Dec 22nd, 2011 06:46 pm |
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AntFarm 3T WIS 
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Welcome... and Like Jeff (BRP), above, I also like the date feature...
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| Posted: Thu Dec 22nd, 2011 08:04 pm |
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Welcome. Great watch design.
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| Posted: Fri Dec 23rd, 2011 03:08 pm |
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Olivier 3T WIS
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Thanks for all the great feedback guys! Here are some much requested wrist shots, took these while giving the prototypes some patina building sea air  You can see the blue from the ar coating in some angles, and you can also see how the watch wears much lower than the specs would have you think, the case back is very comfortable.     
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| Posted: Fri Dec 23rd, 2011 04:26 pm |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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the blue second hand dies it for me!
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| Posted: Sat Dec 24th, 2011 12:56 am |
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joecb 3T WIS
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solid brass bezel is awesome!!
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| Posted: Sat Dec 24th, 2011 03:18 am |
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ferro01 3T WIS
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Hello Roland, Welcome here, Great Job! I ordered the japanese Version, now i am waiting......... Greets ferro01
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Olivier wrote: Thanks for all the great feedback guys! Here are some much requested wrist shots, took these while giving the prototypes some patina building sea air Wow Roland! Welcome to 3T! First those sweet Bronze buckles you had manufactured, and now this!!! Agree with Jeff's comment above, the date feature does remind me a bit of JLC influence... ...and I like the blue seconds and date indicator. Very cool!
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| Posted: Sat Dec 24th, 2011 04:49 pm |
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exc-hulk Moderator
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Very cool watch Roland ! The light blue second hand fits perfect. And I like the date feature.
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| Posted: Tue Dec 27th, 2011 01:29 pm |
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Craustin1 3T WIS
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Roland, what is the width of the strap?
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| Posted: Wed Dec 28th, 2011 10:44 pm |
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Olivier 3T WIS
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Hey Craustin1! The lugs are 24mm, and the supplied strap is 24mm with a taper at the buckle to 22mm. It uses 22mm buckles. Hope that helps! -Roland Craustin1 wrote: Roland, what is the width of the strap?
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| Posted: Wed Dec 28th, 2011 10:46 pm |
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Craustin1 3T WIS
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Great, thank you Roland
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| Posted: Fri Dec 30th, 2011 07:00 pm |
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MrMayface 3T WIS
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After much deliberation & hours of trying to make myself not like it, I ordered the Miyota version. I'm looking forward to getting this one. The two bezels make this one almost to good for me to pass up. Now I just need to find someone to make me a sweet vintage ammo strap. Great job Roland.
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| Posted: Sun Jan 1st, 2012 03:11 am |
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exc-hulk Moderator
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There are now more dial colors. http://oceanictime.blogspot.com/2012/01/olivier-bronze-diver-newdials.html
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| Posted: Mon Jan 2nd, 2012 08:30 pm |
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Olivier 3T WIS
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exc-hulk wrote: There are now more dial colors. Right you are!
Now available are three great new options for the bronze diver, both the ETA and Miyota movement models. The first is a no-date dial in the original black. Anyone who doesn't like the triple date window, this ones for you! Your Olivier will have a great, absolutely minimal dial, no nonsense here. Second is a Prussian blue dial. This is a deep, dark blue that really compliments the bronze case, hands and bezel. Third is a rich dark mahogany dial. This dark brown dial is a must have if you want to put the Bronze Diver on a leather strap. These watches will still come with BOTH bezels, so no need to choose which look you like more! These dials are in limited quantity, so be sure to put your order in today [http://www.olivierwatches.com]! I hope everyone had a wonderful new year celebration, its gonna be a wild 2012!!! Thank you so very much to all of you who have pre-ordered, you are all the ones making this happen!
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| Posted: Fri Jan 6th, 2012 10:46 am |
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Hi all - After exchanging a few emails with Roland, I've sent my deposit for a ETA-brown dial model ... can't wait until spring! - Fred
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| Posted: Wed Jan 11th, 2012 02:49 pm |
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Olivier 3T WIS
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Letting the prototypes get a tan        
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| Posted: Thu Jan 12th, 2012 03:53 pm |
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MrMayface 3T WIS
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Awesome. I really don't see the bronze bezel coming off mine to often. That last wrist shot looks great. The cut outs on the bezel look very deep.
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| Posted: Fri Jan 13th, 2012 08:03 am |
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Hey, Roland, welcome aboard! I'm not doing well in the "ignore department" with this one!  Congrats on a great design! BTW, Olivier is a well respected family name over here......
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| Posted: Sun Jan 15th, 2012 09:36 pm |
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Olivier 3T WIS
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Thanks for the welcome Graham! Be sure to order one so you can show all the S.A. Olivier's whats what! Graham wrote: Hey, Roland, welcome aboard!
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| Posted: Sun Jan 15th, 2012 09:38 pm |
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Olivier 3T WIS
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For anyone wondering how the watch might look on a zulu or nato:   
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| Posted: Mon Jan 16th, 2012 12:34 pm |
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Olivier wrote:For anyone wondering how the watch might look on a zulu or nato: I like it! Maybe a darker color zulu would look better.
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| Posted: Fri Jan 20th, 2012 05:08 pm |
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Olivier 3T WIS
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Last tuesday I had a great meetup with a local WIS and big time paneristi James. He brought with him his PAM 382, the lovely bronze cased luminor sub that has just about everybody considering emptying little bobby's college fund... It is quite the piece. I let it mingle with my bronze divers so they could learn a thing or two about italio-swiss design elements, while James and I had a great conversation about watches, cars, you name it! He showed me the new offerings Panerai just debuted and gave me a very insightful walk through of their models, naming conventions, dial history, and more. James saw my Bronze Diver online and wanted to pick one up for a daily bronze wearer, his 382 being a special occasion watch. The 382 is really a stunning watch. One thing that I really love is its very unique case finishing. I feel like its somewhere in between a brush finish, and a polished case. Its unlike any other brush finish that I have seen, and it really makes the case glow when the light hits it. You can see it in some of my pictures, it gives the bronze an even warmer almost red/yellow tinge. I had seen this in other pictures of it, and finally think I know where the effect is coming from. The in house movement is very nicely decorated, and very fun to peep through the exhibition case back. Having just written that, I just realized I didnt take a picture of it! I tried it on, my first non - Olivier watch on my wrist since getting the prototypes, and its got a very nice heft. It certainly has wrist presence on my 6.5 in wrist! It has a titanium case back, and titanium buckle. The 382 is really a fantastic piece, it gave me tons of ideas for another Olivier down the line. Enjoy the pictures! [We were inside a coffee shop on a VERY bright SoCal day, which made taking pictures pretty difficult.]              
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| Posted: Sun Jan 22nd, 2012 06:32 am |
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bigrustypig 3T WIS
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I think it will be effortless to fall in love with your bronze pieces. I can hardy wait.
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| Posted: Sat Jan 28th, 2012 02:07 am |
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Olivier 3T WIS
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Anyone here read Gear Patrol? Gear Patrol - 20 Innovative Brands Focused on Game-Changing Products
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| Posted: Sun Jan 29th, 2012 02:05 am |
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Olivier 3T WIS
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 Well...the time has come guys. I had been promising an update with some really great surprises, and its finally here! After launching last month the second most asked question besides "will there be other dial colors?" was "FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THAT IS GOOD WILL THERE BE STRAP OPTIONS!" For the former I opted for a blue, brown and no date dial options, and couldn't leave those wanting for straps out to dry! I had been waiting for a package to arrive full of strap samples for me to try out, and it finally arrived yesterday. So today I made an impromptu studio set up so that I wouldn't have to go to the office on a Saturday [its the little things] and snapped away. There are a LOT of pictures in this thread, prepare for the long haul. You can also see the 2.0 version of the bronze buckles in the pictures. Some of you that have ordered buckles in the past few weeks might have already gotten these, the 2.0 versions have a channel on the underside of the buckle to let the buckle hug the strap. They are also thicker. The news that might excite the most of you is that the guys over at ISOFRANE are letting me get their straps for Olivier! Contact me for more details! Anyone that has an ISOFRANE knows what im talking about when I say that they are bar none THEE rubber strap. They are just super comfortable and the support it gives even the heaviest watches makes them feel great on the wrist. I will be able to offer them as an upgrade strap with my watches, and as you can see, I've already got the bronze isofrane sized tang completed. There will also be a isofrane specific buckle available that Ill debut when its all finished. Yes, black AND blue isofranes will be available! Contact me for more details  !      I was also able to find a great THICK brown leather strap with very cool stitching. I think it looks fantastic on the bronze / bronze diver combo, and might be exactly what those of you who pre-ordered the brown dial are looking for. I am also waiting on the same strap in black with white stitching, as well as a dark brown waterproof leather strap. Details on those when they arrive.   I was also happy to find a great soft black leather band with white stich. I love how it dresses up the watch, and it feels fantastic on.       I also sourced some great sailclothe straps in black and blue. I love sailclothe, and think they really look perfect on these bronzes.               Let me know what you think, this is just part 1 of the accessory straps for the Bronze Diver, I am still actively looking for more options and will post another update when I get other options in!
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| Posted: Sun Jan 29th, 2012 09:40 pm |
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Awesome Roland!!! Love all the additional strap options!!! That Isofrane with your killer bronze buckle is a truly sweet option, and the one I would be going for (you are making it almost irresistable for me not to push the buy button on this one)!!!! I like the sail cloth and leather options too! Oh man...I simply cannot resist!!!
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| Posted: Sat Feb 4th, 2012 01:08 am |
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Olivier wrote: Roland.. Congrats on what appears to be a succesful first run of watches with the Olivier, I personally had never been attracted to Bronze watches but your pic of the Olivier on Iso has gotten me to re-evaluate my preferences..  ...Hope you keep em coming..I wouldn't be that surprised if my first Bronze watch would be yours (I might even guarantee it)... 
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| Posted: Mon Feb 6th, 2012 04:08 pm |
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Olivier 3T WIS
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Hey Everyone! Im going to be posting this around on the various Olivier Threads out there, so if you start to experience deja vu, dont worry! Yesterday there was a recall announced for Helson bronze cases and Benarus is currently planning to announce the same for some of their bronze morays. The bronze alloy they had received from the manufacturer was NOT the CuSn8 they had been told and they are doing great things to take care of their customers, hats off to them and their great CS. I just want to assure everyone here that we are NOT in the same situation, our cases are CuSn8, german made and looks exactly how you would expect CuSn8 to look, and age. I have now sourced CuSn8 from both Germany and from here locally in Redondo Beach where I have my buckles made, and they both look the same; they start as a bright gold tone that darkens and patinas into a very nice darker brown. This is exactly how the bronze PAM 382 also appears [some of these photos belong to great WIS PifPaf!], and well as Paiste cymbals, both known to be made from CuSn8 bronze, attached here are some pictures of new and old CuSn8.     Last edited on Mon Feb 6th, 2012 04:17 pm by Olivier |
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| Posted: Wed Feb 8th, 2012 12:28 am |
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Had the pleasure today with meeting up with an Olivier fan all the way from North Carolina, Randy! His work took him to within just a few miles of us here in Redondo, so we met up during some of his down time before he had to catch his flight back. I was able to tell him apart from the crowd by his choice of watch, he was sporting bronze moray with that really fun red sunbrushed dial. We talked for a while while he checked out the prototypes live and in the bronze. Randy noted how much he liked how the patina was developing on the Olivier bronzes, something he had trouble with on his moray. We BOTH forgot to bring along any decent cameras, but my camera phone didn't do too poorly, enjoy these two snaps. 
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| Posted: Wed Feb 8th, 2012 04:49 am |
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bigrustypig 3T WIS
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All 3 pieces look really cool.
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| Posted: Fri Feb 24th, 2012 05:38 pm |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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I actually like the patina on the Moray ...Roland do you have an ET on the completion of the watches? 
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| Posted: Sat Feb 25th, 2012 03:38 pm |
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Olivier 3T WIS
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Hey 3T! Its been just a few days over 2 months since our debut, and today I have an huge update for everyone; We are SOLD OUT of our first batch of watches!!! Any new orders will now be apart of our next run of watches for release a few months after this first batch, or early Summer 2012! Everyone who has pre-ordered, thank you so much for your absolutely amazing support. I can't wait until the spring to get this first batch out and onto wrists around the world. On that note, I am currently visiting with our manufacturers, so my communications might be a few days behind. The great news is we are on schedule, woo hoo! A great big thank you from us at Olivier, Roland
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| Posted: Sat Feb 25th, 2012 09:59 pm |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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that's great news roland,Congrats! ...so where are you...overseas in HK?
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| Posted: Sun Feb 26th, 2012 03:36 am |
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Really great news Roland ! I look forward to my bronze...
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| Posted: Mon Apr 16th, 2012 12:47 pm |
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Roland, Per your recent email, is it true that the watches are not CuSn8 Bronze ?
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| Posted: Mon Apr 16th, 2012 02:27 pm |
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Johnny P wrote:Roland, OOOPS...Another Asian bump?
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| Posted: Mon Apr 16th, 2012 05:14 pm |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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is this true Roland?..does anyone have a copy of the e-mail?
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| Posted: Mon Apr 16th, 2012 05:31 pm |
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That would interest me too!
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| Posted: Mon Apr 16th, 2012 05:52 pm |
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Tony Duronio 3T WIS 
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This is the portion I ws able to copy and paste. There was a small chart showing the compounds that I could not pick up. I had tought I saved it all but not so. some of you may know who follow this thread very closely, this last week the case manufacturers had issues with their latest batch of CuSn8 bronze exhibiting impurities during the finishing stage. I cant tell you how happy I have been with the manufacturer though, they contacted me immediately and not only presented me with this news, but also with a few very surprising and welcomed solutions. They of course did not want to be using sub-par bronze for our cases, and were concerned first that if this latest batch of CuSn8 was exhibiting impurities in the finishing stage, that they also worried that perhaps the first batches were somehow compromised as well. Talk about 1 bad apple spoiling the bunch. Of course no one wants to waste time doing a lengthly recall, and because they are warrantying these parts for 1 year, they want to do it right the first time around. The best way around this? "Well of course, its to use a higher quality, and more technically advanced bronze alloy." Of course, I agree . They offered immediately to create a new set of cases using a higher quality, more tech bronze. The differences in the composition are small, but the result is a harder, more resistant bronze alloy. I believe this is the same concept behind Aquadive's bronze mixture. For example, here is a bronze comps they offer as a variant of CuSn8 : This is where the chart would not copy...... You end up with an alloy that is more technically advanced and resistant as a result of the added elements iron and nickel, even in such small amounts. These mixtures are more expensive, but the manufacturer is offering to do this as a free upgrade!! These are in-house alloys, they want to proceed only using alloys they have their own hand in creating. We had always anticipated a may shipping date, and our manufactures are aware of the time frame. Its working out to have a minimal impact on the Olivier time frame, if at all. Its great to know how seriously they are taking our limited order in the grand scheme of things!
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| Posted: Mon Apr 16th, 2012 05:58 pm |
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Johnny P Advisor
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Tony Duronio wrote:This is the portion I ws able to copy and paste. There was a small chart showing the compounds that I could not pick up. I had tought I saved it all but not so. Is this the chart ? 
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| Posted: Mon Apr 16th, 2012 06:03 pm |
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Tony Duronio 3T WIS
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It may be Johnny, I saved the portion I posted but must have erased the original email/ Sorry, it did look similar but not sure about the #'s used.
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| Posted: Mon Apr 16th, 2012 06:22 pm |
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Here is a link Olivier thread at Ernie's bologni site. olivier-bronze-diver-624455-34.html" TARGET="_blank">http://forums.watchuseek.com/f74/introducing-olivier-watches-olivier-bronze-diver-624455-34.html
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| Posted: Mon Apr 16th, 2012 06:37 pm |
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Tony Duronio 3T WIS
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That's it. So WTH is he saying besides we are not getting what we pre=ordered
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| Posted: Mon Apr 16th, 2012 08:07 pm |
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sorry to hear this,and I guess Roland does not want to reply here,but then he probably knows we know more than we let on... what everyone will be getting is probably what he had to begin with...and that was not CuSn8... this new alloy is a copper alloy,not bronze from what I have been told,and not an upgrade at all... all this after he repeatedly swore in this thread that his watches in hand were cuSn8...
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| Posted: Mon Apr 16th, 2012 08:41 pm |
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Tony Duronio 3T WIS
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Really had hoped not to have to deal with this BS, but as the saying goes, If its to good to be true it probably is
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| Posted: Mon Apr 16th, 2012 08:50 pm |
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Hey Guys! Very sorry for the late reply, but this forum does not email me when posts are made to threads. The change in the bronze alloy is extremely small, and still constitutes a CuSn8 alloy. The additions to the alloy are around a half of 1 percent to the total mix, in fact, other CuSn8's are most likely mixtures like this as well.
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| Posted: Mon Apr 16th, 2012 08:53 pm |
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Here is the Chemical composition of CuSn8: Chemical Composition: Sn: 7.50-8.50% P: 0.03-0.35% Zn: 0.20% Max. Fe: 0.10% Max. Pb: 0.05% Max. Zn: Balance CuSn8 - UNS.C52100 Phosphor Bronze Alloys, which is a 8% tin bronze distinguished by a very good combination of strength and electrical conductivity. It is used for connector and current-carrying springs in contacts. Among the 4-8% tin bronze C52100 exhibits the lowest electrical conductivity, the highest reachable strength is significantly higher than C51100 and C51000 and C51900. By means of an additional further tempering after the cold forming process the bendability can be further improved. In addition, it has better corrosion resistance and good sliding properties. C52100 is used for springy components and sliding elements when increased strength and wear-resistance are required. From what I read, in general most Bronze is defined by being a metal alloy, with it's primary composition that of Copper... CuSn8 would then be also a copper alloy. I think we are now just splitting hairs..
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| Posted: Mon Apr 16th, 2012 08:54 pm |
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Olivier 3T WIS
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oagaspar wrote:sorry to hear this,and I guess Roland does not want to reply here,but then he probably knows we know more than we let on... Hey Oscar! I would definitely have appreciated a PM! The changes to the alloy are slight, but nothing but beneficial.
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| Posted: Mon Apr 16th, 2012 08:59 pm |
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Craustin1 wrote:Here is the Chemical composition of CuSn8: Thank you Craustin1! Perfect example of alloys that can be CuSn8, but comprise of also additional elements, in that alloys case Iron, lead, and a very small amount of zinc.
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| Posted: Mon Apr 16th, 2012 09:01 pm |
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Olivier 3T WIS
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Or another example of CuSn8 with added iron and nickel.
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| Posted: Mon Apr 16th, 2012 09:24 pm |
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Roland, I'm not a chemist, so in simple speak , are you saying the main materials used in Cusn8 remain the same but they are adding small amts of the additional irons?
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| Posted: Tue Apr 17th, 2012 12:18 am |
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Olivier wrote: Hey Guys!Roland this forum does infact e-mail when replies are made to posts you participate in...if you have that preference set,and you do...
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| Posted: Tue Apr 17th, 2012 12:29 am |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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Craustin1 wrote: Here is the Chemical composition of CuSn8:...you left out the company name for your google search... ALB Copper Alloys Co., Ltd. Xiamen, China Tel: +86-592-5631276 Fax: +86-592-5750151 Email:Lindy.Chen AT alb-copperalloys.com Please visit our website:http://www.alb-copperalloys.com...CHINA aka Chinese Bronze which all the other companies who revealed the bronze indiscretion to begin with had in their watches/Benarus/Helson/Zenton...brass because of the zinc in it...Roland is claiming Germany! and this is the composition of true CuSn8 bronze... Cu : 91,5 P : 0,2 Sn : 8,5 and even purer it would be 8% tin and 92% copper...
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| Posted: Tue Apr 17th, 2012 12:36 am |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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Olivier wrote: oagaspar wrote:PM?...I pm'd you over a month ago asking you to call me as I had relevant info about the bronze you were using...you did not reply...notta!
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| Posted: Tue Apr 17th, 2012 12:50 am |
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My point was that at some point it's still splitting hairs. Has anyone tested the Panerai Bronze to see what the chemical break up of that is? I doubt it's SWISS bronze. Same thing with a lot of the stainless steel watches we have, there are differences in china metals as those sourced from US Steel plants. At some point this just becomes an argument in futility; those that want to buy a Bronze watch for $600, $800, or $1500 probably know its a compromise from one costing $10,000 or $20,000 in several ways. That does not mean you get less enjoyment from that piece around your wrist. Lum-Tec has a Bronze watch coming out too, they have announced they have their own blend of CuSn8, are they the next to be flamed? oagaspar wrote: Craustin1 wrote:Here is the Chemical composition of CuSn8:Craustin,if you are going to google,google correctly...you left out the company name for your info... ALB Copper Alloys Co., Ltd. Xiamen, China Tel: +86-592-5631276 Fax: +86-592-5750151 Email:Lindy.Chen AT alb-copperalloys.com Please visit our website:http://www.alb-copperalloys.com...CHINA aka Chinese Bronze which all the other companies who revealed the bronze indiscretion to begin with had in their watches/Benarus/Helson/Zenton...brass because of the zinc in it...Roland is claiming Germany! and this is the composition of true CuSn8 bronze...
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| Posted: Tue Apr 17th, 2012 01:00 am |
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Also, the specs that Roland had posted are from a French company, so we should also be wary of french CuSn8? (not saying that is what he is using) http://www.frwcarobronze.fr/certificat.htm?lang=en By the way, I do not know Roland, other than I bought a buckle from him a few months back, and it has not pulverized yet.. oagaspar wrote: Craustin1 wrote:Here is the Chemical composition of CuSn8:...you left out the company name for your google search... ALB Copper Alloys Co., Ltd. Xiamen, China Tel: +86-592-5631276 Fax: +86-592-5750151 Email:Lindy.Chen AT alb-copperalloys.com Please visit our website:http://www.alb-copperalloys.com...CHINA aka Chinese Bronze which all the other companies who revealed the bronze indiscretion to begin with had in their watches/Benarus/Helson/Zenton...brass because of the zinc in it...Roland is claiming Germany! and this is the composition of true CuSn8 bronze...
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| Posted: Tue Apr 17th, 2012 01:08 am |
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Craustin1 wrote: Also, the specs that Roland had posted are from a French company, so we should also be wary of french CuSn8? (not saying that is what he is using)again,just sayin',if you are going to google...that is a French Co. distributing China alloys...
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| Posted: Tue Apr 17th, 2012 01:17 am |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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Craustin,you can call it splitting hairs,flaming,whatever!...but take the time to read this entire thread,and take into consideration what was being implied...is $850. with eta a good deal on a bronze alloy watch?...imo it is,as long as Zinc does not exist in the composition...once it appears it is no longer bronze. ....Roland repeatedly stated his watches were CuSn8 in this thread,also German...now suddenly while in the machining stage they show impurities...what impurities?...the new high tech bronze he is claiming has impurities as well...it contains elements other than copper and tin...this is what I am pointing out... this new alloy can also be considered CuSn8 since everyone now believes it has such a wide range of elements,so then why say anything?...you see it's not about bronze or brass anymore,it's about being truthful....it's about using the term CuSn8,because Panerai used the same...why did all the bronze watch guys claim that?...because that is what the Chinese watch manufacturers told them,and lead them to believe.Roland included imho...
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| Posted: Tue Apr 17th, 2012 01:22 am |
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Craustin1 wrote:Also, the specs that Roland had posted are from a French company, so we should also be wary of french CuSn8? (not saying that is what he is using) This certificate is issued by the Norwegian Veritas: Who knows why when it's a French addressed company and the French Veritas would be valable as well. So there is importation there: Not necessary from Norway! This certificate was also issued the 18 march 2009 and expired the 17 march 2012. Any certification is just as good as butt paper the very first minute after midnight over the expiration's date.
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| Posted: Tue Apr 17th, 2012 01:31 am |
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To finish up for tonight, cus I'm tired; does anyone of the subject matter experts know the composition of the Bronzo as I had asked before? You all do bring up interesting points tough... I think I am going to be loosing sleep tonight, and I won't be able to enjoy my Shelby GT 500 anymore, since I bought an American muscle car, but Ford is sourcing parts from all over the world... It just somehow ruined the feeling of having 550hp at my right foot. Nite all.
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| Posted: Tue Apr 17th, 2012 01:34 am |
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Craustin1 wrote: To finish up for tonight, cus I'm tired; does anyone of the subject matter experts know the composition of the Bronzo as I had asked before? You all do bring up interesting points tough... I think I am going to be loosing sleep tonight, and I won't be able to enjoy my Shelby GT 500 anymore, since I bought an American muscle car, but Ford is sourcing parts from all over the world... It just somehow ruined the feeling of having 550hp at my right foot. Nite all.and Ford never hid that fact from you,you knew what you were buying...now who is splitting hairs?
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| Posted: Tue Apr 17th, 2012 01:45 am |
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oagaspar wrote:Craustin,you can call it splitting hairs,flaming,whatever!...but take the time to read this entire thread,and take into consideration what was being implied...is $850. with eta a good deal on a bronze alloy watch?...imo it is,as long as Zinc does not exist in the composition...once it appears it is no longer bronze. Any of bronze alloy is not made to be used on human skin anyway: Some metal contained inside being lightly poisonous during corrosion. Those alloy never been conceived with this in mind: They was conceived for industrial purposes. Panerai made it's choice and it don't mean that it's the absolute best in fact: Panerai is not transforming bronze in gold. Now, the Chinese are using this brand's prestige to supposedly sell this alloy: It's just about marketing as Oscar says it. Sure, this CuSn8 has a special tone but the same tone can surely be replicated with a slightly different alloy who may be containing more or less poisonous metals. Hopefully this bronze craze will pass: Coz all of that starts to be tiring and ridiculous. One more time, all I see is a bunch of WIS who think that high brands are gods dictating laws of nature....
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| Posted: Wed Apr 18th, 2012 02:53 pm |
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Not me! I was just watching the show!
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| Posted: Mon Apr 30th, 2012 12:53 pm |
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Someone slap me and call me stupid. I hadn't been coming into this thread, because I figured it was just like the love fest that's going on in the other thread. I wasn't aware this other stuff was going on. I remember that email and thought it was a little fishy sounding but I didn't know you guys were addressing this here.
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| Posted: Mon Apr 30th, 2012 01:06 pm |
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oagaspar wrote:Olivier wrote:Hey Guys!Roland this forum does infact e-mail when replies are made to posts you participate in...if you have that preference set,and you do... FWIW I have the reply preferences set to notify me automatically, but when I post to the WRUW I rarely get notified of replies.
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| Posted: Mon Apr 30th, 2012 02:29 pm |
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I also experienced some up&downs there with the notifications: And they don't crash in the spam box...They just don't come. But it represent a small percentage.. Anyway, as I told earlier, the bronze fury will pass... I may sound like I repeat myself but... As I said: The human skin absorbs much more than what people are aware of. I come again with that because I've seen a lot off bull on other forums about guys saying that since you don't swallow your bronze case, you're out of danger. Right. Take for exemple the Phthalates who are most likely present in many straps made of plastic derivates, to make them flexibles. Yes, your plastic watch straps. Those Phthaltes also was recognised to unbalance the hormone level in humans from child age due to contact with certain plastic toys. Compromising fertility when they become adults. Other serious symptoms are also coming out through research as even ADHD and much more. Enjoy here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phthalate Any metal who corrode easily on the skin, will allow some penetration of elements in the pores then blood, organs. It's a fact. Even the percentages of lead and other unhealthy elements are low in the CuSn8, remember that there is a reason for that brass parts used in plumbery have to be lead-free in many parts of the world: We start now to understand health symptoms we didn't before. To conclude, I would say that whatever the Bronze you wear, you will just add something unwanted inside you, who will make a nice cocktail with your plastic straps...
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| Posted: Tue May 1st, 2012 09:57 am |
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Damn! I was really looking forward to my first ever Bronze and my first ever built to order watch :(
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| Posted: Wed May 2nd, 2012 03:11 pm |
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Don't worry. There will be more. It is too popular of a configuration to go away! Props to Oscar and Hammerfjord for presenting A METRIC SH*T TON of information for us newbies to take in. I do not see it as flaming at all. I may still decide to go with a watch made on the moon, if I like it. But I do appreciate the knowledge and transparency. So much info...
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| Posted: Wed May 2nd, 2012 03:20 pm |
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Hammerfjord wrote:
Watch out for drinking drinking non-organic celery juice through a plastic straw :) I have tested some vintage painted ammo leather and some has come up with very high lead content.
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| Posted: Wed May 2nd, 2012 03:36 pm |
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I started on my side to look reportages about Phthalates and read seriously about this since aside from my job on oil fields, I've worked nearly a full year with kids having serious ADHD and behavior problems. The amount of such children has exploded the last years and it continues. What's hurts me is that they might: And I mean they might have them life seriously damaged because this product got in every soft plastic products during years. And we are just scratching the surface of the symptoms as chemical cocktails are giving different repercussions... This is serious and proven by many different studies.
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| Posted: Wed May 2nd, 2012 04:46 pm |
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I'm not disagreeing with you.
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| Posted: Wed May 2nd, 2012 04:51 pm |
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timesofplenty wrote:I'm not disagreeing with you. That was some very cool strap solution to avoid the green wrist Never seen a straw like that but I guess it's great as a stirrer as well!
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| Posted: Wed May 2nd, 2012 05:00 pm |
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Hammerfjord wrote:timesofplenty wrote: The first shot was with the glass straw under the watch, but I thought some folks might get the wrong idea :)  Last edited on Wed May 2nd, 2012 05:00 pm by timesofplenty |
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Ha! Nice straw and strap for that matter. Did you make it?
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| Posted: Thu May 3rd, 2012 08:07 am |
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Mike T. wrote:Ha! Nice straw and strap for that matter. Did you make it? Thanks! yes, I made the strap.
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| Posted: Thu May 3rd, 2012 08:23 am |
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Hammerfjord wrote:I started on my side to look reportages about Phthalates and read seriously about this since aside from my job on oil fields, I've worked nearly a full year with kids having serious ADHD and behavior problems. Bro, can you PM me some links on the ADHD/plastics correlation? My 2nd son, now 21, has ADHD. MODS...sorry if off topic. Please delete this post, if necessary.
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