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BENARUS 3T WIS 
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Hi together, we need your help. I have planned to make the GMT with a ETA 2836-2 GMT modified movement but after getting more information about this movement I am not sure if we shall do. But the much better Eta 2893-2 is also much more expensive so I also thought about a Quartz GMT movement I am not a big quartz fan but I get also many requests about offering a quartz watch because it is more accurate and you don't have to reset the time after not wearing for some days. So I my question is would you prefer it as a quartz GMT watch for $300 or a ETA 2836-2 for $500 or a ETA 2893-2 for $650 The good thing with a quartz is that it is closer at my aim to make affordable watches |
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Remember2 3T WIS
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I voted for the ETA 2836-2 ...as I believe this offers the best value for money yourock.gif I wouldn't want a quartz...  |
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Nai_Maew 3T WIS
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For me, it definitely has to be automatic. But cannot comment whether it should be 2836-2 or 2893-2. :P Just curious, what are the differences between the two movements? How 'better' 2893-2 is over the 2836-2? In what way? :shock: If you decide to go with the better movement at price around $650, it is OK with me, just give some time interval between this GMT and the earlier model, so I will have time to save up some money :D. I guess this GMT may be coming around the end of the year? since the Megalodon is still some months from now. :cool: |
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Parabola 3T WIS 
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I've gone 2893 as I'm not getting a Megalodon so I will have plenty of time to save, Also $650 for a 2893 power watch is a bargain in anyone's book |
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Newton13 3T WIS
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2893-2. Not a big fan of quartz. I don't mind the extra cost for a more stable movement. (vs. the 2836, not quartz) |
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djgg 3T WIS
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I would go for a quartz GMT watch for people who want a quartz. And a 2836-2 for $650 for people who want a auto. I like quartz and auto movementsgoofy. This is what I would do is buy the auto first then later get the quartz. David |
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Paxman 3T WIS 
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Do the true GMT 2893. Still a great deal at around $650! |
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Gregger 3T WIS 
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Paxman wrote: Do the true GMT 2893. Still a great deal at around $650! True......you can always add more payments to make it more accessible say deposit and 2-3 payments..... |
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sooner76 Guest
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I've looked for a GMT for a while with no luck. Everything is either too small, too expensive, too cheap, too something . . . until this one. As a 45 mm professional grade dive watch with an independently adjustable GMT function, this watch will join an elite group. Off the top of my head, I can only think of the Zinex Trimix and the Doxa 750GMT with similar characteristics, and those list for around $1500 and $2800 respectively. This has a chance to be a landmark watch, and even with the 2893 it will still cost way less than similar models. Seems to me that still meets your aim to make affordable watches, Ralf. As much as I like to save money, gotta vote for 2893. |
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sooner76 Guest
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By the way, nothing wrong with a good quartz watch. I love my Casio Pathfinder and Traser Supersport. It's just not the right movement for this watch. Save that idea for a future model — a Benarus tritium maybe? |
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Parabola 3T WIS
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Beginning to look decided to me |
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jasontking 3T WIS
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My range for watches is $200 to $400. I own lots of Seikos and have a Moray on Pre-order. It appears your desire to serve that very entry market may not be possible, because your base customers want ETA movements and want a $500 to $700 watch. I know for many that is still entry level, but it is a step up just IMHO. That is good if you get the volume you need to make it profitable. Regardless of what the GMT is, I hope you can keep some lower priced watches in your lineup. Last edited on Thu May 21st, 2009 11:12 am by jasontking |
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oagaspar Site Founder 
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Swiss eta 2893 is the only GMT movement eta makes...so it is a no brainer for me hand6.gif...and at $650. a real bargain compared to other watches using this high grade movement!....TY for Ralf for once again bringing WIS a truly affordable true GMT !  ....the final cost doesn't always represent what is affordable as it is the entire package that counts and this Benarus GMT is the entire package and lots more imho! perfect.gif |
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TheGreenManalishi 3T WIS
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Very much a crossroads decision for you Ralf, my opinion is this, you have the best sub $500 watch in the market ,which has the Miyota movement, the Sea Devil. So go for both - faithful to your business model with both varieties. ETA GMT at that price - wow. |
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Parabola 3T WIS
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As far as I know the Debaufre GMT is the only watch around this price with this movement... Bargain!!! |
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sooner76 Guest
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Parabola wrote:As far as I know the Debaufre GMT is the only watch around this price with this movement... Bargain!!! I think you're right, and the Debaufre (although a very nice watch) has NO dive bezel and is only 42 mm. I agree with you and Oscar — the Benarus GMT with 2893 is an incredible deal. And I bet it'll be a HUGE seller. |
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soopah Guest
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I voted for the 2893-2 GMT movement, for both being an automatic and being a better GMT functional watch. However, if there were a Chinese or Japanese automatic movement that copied the 2893-2 GMT movement I would consider that as well. The Miyota movements have served us well so far, not sure if they have a GMT version. The Seagull ST26, if it has a GMT module add-on, might be a suitable version and close to ETA in terms of time keeping and quality. |
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Wozza 3T WIS 
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sooner76 wrote: By the way, nothing wrong with a good quartz watch. I love my Casio Pathfinder and Traser Supersport. It's just not the right movement for this watch. Save that idea for a future model — a Benarus tritium maybe? Good idea, I like the sound of this for the next design. hand6.gif |
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Ilcollezionista 3T WIS
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I voted for the ETA 2836-2  |
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Scart 3T WIS 
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thats true......I vote for the BENARUS GMT with Eta 2893 |
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jasontking 3T WIS
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Great idea here. Wozza wrote: sooner76 wrote:By the way, nothing wrong with a good quartz watch. I love my Casio Pathfinder and Traser Supersport. It's just not the right movement for this watch. Save that idea for a future model — a Benarus tritium maybe? |
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Relativity 3T WIS
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TheGreenManalishi wrote: Very much a crossroads decision for you Ralf, my opinion is this, you have the best sub $500 watch in the market ,which has the Miyota movement, the Sea Devil. Great idea! The Sea Devil was terrific value (I've just received mine) but there aren't many left and I agree there must be a healthy market for a sub $500 watch in Ralf's line up. Prices of recent models (whilst still good value!) have crept up a little too. I voted for the quartz because I'm a little happier wearing a quartz when doing more "rugged" jobs than I am an automatic. It would be great to have a Benarus for those times  |
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BlueViper 3T WIS
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No doubt...this watch needs the ETA 2893-2 for $650.perfect.gif |
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Rhino-Ranch Guest
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Ralf, I voted for quartz, because I would really love to be able to afford another Benarus watch... once we start looking at $500 - $650, I've got to really think hard about spending that kind of money on another watch. Seiko Monster = $175 w/ Seiko automatic mvt. In the $650 range, SUMO, SAMURAI, BIG KINETIC. At $850 I can buy a Swiss Automatic ORIS TT1. Bernhardt GMT ETA 2836 = $399 and the Bernhardt Globemaster GMT "ETA" modified = $449. I am not sure why quartz is not acceptable. My brother's TAG 2000 keeps great time, and he has changed the battery 2x in ten years. OMEGA Seamaster quartz is up around $1,600 and the quartz movement doesn't seem to hurt their sales or reputation. Perhaps it is possible to offer the Benarus GMT in quartz and ETA ? Jim |
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soopah Guest
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Relativity wrote:TheGreenManalishi wrote:Very much a crossroads decision for you Ralf, my opinion is this, you have the best sub $500 watch in the market ,which has the Miyota movement, the Sea Devil. I believe the Moray has the same pricing as the Barracuda and the Sea Devil. True, with a switch to ETA movements in the latest two designs, the Megalodon and the soon to be named GMT, prices have jumped up a bit. I'm sure that at some point Ralf may offer a quartz based watch or a Chinese/Japanese automatic based watch. That said, he may continue to make new watch designs with ETA movements, if that is what the majority of his customers request. For myself, I would only be interested in a perpetual type quartz movement, either solar (e.g., Citizen Eco-Drive) or mechanical (e.g., Seiko Kinetic). You don't have to like or buy every single Benarus watch (though I'm sure Ralf and Steve wouldn't mind if you did!). :) |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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I would like to educate a few of you as to what this eta 2836 modified/GMT is....1st of all eta does make a 2836 which is a day/date version of the 2824-2....they do not however make a eta 2836 modified/GMT and never have...check their catologue....to the best of my knowledge as well as other experienced WIS whom I learned this from and some research the 2836 modified/GMT is a Asian modified movement used for years in Replica watches...do a google search of "eta 2836 modified/GMT" and see for yourselves ... it is not known to be the most dependable of watch engines.There is one well known Swiss company that does modify the eta2836 and that is Azimuth due to the very complex cases and designs they use with unusual hand displacements :) ETA makes a GMT movement which is the eta 2893 and it is considered the best....it comes in 3 variations...elabore or top grade....chronometer grade and COSC all 3 being leagues above even the 2824 or 2836...and as Ralf said costs more that the above mentioned GMT . I know Ralf being the great guy he is and a WIS just like us is not trying to make any profit on the movement end as many others do using this fine movement and once again I have to say that $650. is a sweet deal on a well known,well made Benarus with the eta 2893 movement powering it....for that I say Thank You to Ralf as he has once again brought the members of this forum what looks like it will be a exceptional watch at a more than fair price! |
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slinky469 3T WIS 
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oagaspar wrote: I know Ralf being the great guy he is and a WIS just like us is not trying to make any profit on the movement end as many others do using this fine movement and once again I have to say that $650. is a sweet deal on a well known,well made Benarus with the eta 2893 movement powering it....for that I say Thank You to Ralf as he has once again brought the members of this forum what looks like it will be a exceptional watch at a more than fair price!I agree that $650 Is an awesome price for this watch but after paying for the moray and now the Megalodon I just cant afford another $650 watch I would love to have this GMT but at the higher price I cant do it but at the lower price i could swing it. |
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soopah Guest
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slinky469 wrote:I agree that $650 Is an awesome price for this watch but after paying for the moray and now the Megalodon I just cant afford another $650 watch I would love to have this GMT but at the higher price I cant do it but at the lower price i could swing it. Once you get your two Benarus watches, figure out which one you can't live without, sell the other one, then use the cash for the GMT! :) I bought the Barracuda and the Sea Devil and I am now in the same situation. I have deposits down on the Moray and Megalodon, and I will get the GMT, too. I will likely let the SD PVD Lume dial go soon, catch and release. But I won't let anyone have my Barracuda! If the Megalodon doesn't fit me then I will consider letting that go, too. But I'll take a chance on it! The Moray looks like a winner that I won't want to part with, and the GMT is looking the same way to me. I don't have a GMT watch yet, so this will likely be the one. |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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slinky we are all in the same boat Buddy ....if I am correct we are looking at more than a few months down the road before the GMT is even put into production....the Megalodon is 5 months away as it is .... I'm selling some watches that get no wrist time to add to my Benarus fund.hand6.gif I am a huge fan of Benarus and enjoy collecting 1st runs of watches by many companies let alone what I would consider a up and coming watch company like Ralf/Benarus yourock.gif |
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TopGun 3T WIS
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Let's see... Sea Devil PVD - $550.00 Stainless - $500.00 Moray PVD - $400.00 Stainless - $350.00 Megladon PVD - $650.00 Stainless - $600.00 GMT 2893-2 - $650.00 2836-2 - $500.00 Quartz - $300.00 Having a true Swiss ETA GMT - Priceless!! |
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slinky469 3T WIS
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oagaspar wrote: slinky we are all in the same boat Buddy ....if I am correct we are looking at more than a few months down the road before the GMT is even put into production....the Megalodon is 5 months away as it is .... I'm selling some watches that get no wrist time to add to my Benarus fund.hand6.gifOscar your right i keep forgetting that it is down the road a bit and I too am a HUGE fan of Benarus so I think i will do the same and flip some of my dust collectors so i can enjoy another fine Watch from Ralf. |
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badern 3T WIS
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Quartz for me as i noticed that my autos have been collecting dust recently. I still change my watches daily (or a few times a day) but most of them end up being quartz watches(my bevy of tunas). The only regular auto that i use is the Barracuda and my SD. I like this GMT idea as well as i too do not have a true GMT AND divers watch. So quartz for me and if its cheaper thats better too hand6.gif |
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Remember2 3T WIS
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oagaspar wrote:I would like to educate a few of you as to what this eta 2836 modified/GMT is....1st of all eta does make a 2836 which is a day/date version of the 2824-2....they do not however make a eta 2836 modified/GMT and never have...check their catologue....to the best of my knowledge as well as other experienced WIS whom I learned this from and some research the 2836 modified/GMT is a Asian modified movement used for years in Replica watches... Are you sure about that?!? If I recall correct, Zinex uses a 2836-2 GMT for the "Trimix". I pretty much doubt that Joe (founder) would use anything cheaply modified?!? I know they might have them specially made - but maybe Ralf has something simular up his sleeve? |
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Parabola 3T WIS
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Don't think the Moray is as cheap as that I think mine was stainless steal one was $400 on the preorder price... Last edited on Fri May 22nd, 2009 04:44 am by Parabola |
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djgg 3T WIS
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Why not have a Quartz and a Auto ? David |
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Camiel 3T WIS
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djgg wrote: Why not have a Quartz and a Auto ? Im guessing thats because quartz and auto require different cases (i guess?), different hands and different movements of course. That basically means that of everything you order, you order less, because you're giving two different options. Since certain parts are custom build, they probably have fixed costs attached to them, which means that the more you order, the lower the overall cost of that item would be, since the fixed costs are more spread out. Not sure if its the case ofc, might be a bit far fetched, but that would make sense in my eyes. Last edited on Fri May 22nd, 2009 07:09 am by Camiel |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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Remember2 wrote: oagaspar wrote: I can't comment on the watch you mentioned because I do not own 1 or have knowledge of the movement used....but do a google search and see for yourself of "eta 2836 modified/GMT"....there is no eta 2836 GMT in the eta catologue,why would eta make this movement or even modify it if they produce a true GMT in the eta 2893? ....are you sure? face4.gif Ralf knows what he is doing by sourcing a eta 2893 for his GMT....then there will be no ????hand6.gif...this is a post I copied from WUS where it seems many visit,it is written by a well known WIS and watchmaker: It's not just xxxxx that have problems, the 2836 is not designed to run as a GMT, these Chinese modded movements will all give you trouble eventually so just steer away from the 2836 GMT models, if you just have to have one save your money for a 2893... |
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Skipdawg 3T WIS 
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Yes Oscar is right Eta dose not make the 2836 as a GMT that modification is made by or contracted to be done by the watch maker. Just like the one in my Bernhardt Globemaster. A modded 2836 to act as a GMT. But the 2893 is built by Eta to be a GMT and a much better movement for it. ;) |
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KenC Admin 
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oagaspar wrote: Remember2 wrote:oagaspar wrote: Yes...the ETA2836 movement is a day/date version of the ETA2824 movement in which the "day" wheel is modified to provide the GMT function. I have one in my Bernhardt Globemaster. That said, I must say that the ones I have (and I have had 2 - retained 1) have worked flawlessly. I have also had the ETA2893 in a MarcelloC Nettuno GMT which did not perform as well, however, that I write up to being a fluke and the fact that Marcello quality (IMO) is not everything it is cracked up to be. Bottom line, IMO, is that you can get a good GMT with the modified movement, BUT, it is modified "outside the manufacturer's house" and there is much more risk involved in that than there is in purchasing a movement manufactured with the complication to serve the intended purpose. All of these words add up to the fact that Oscar, as usual, is right. The right movement for the watch is the ETA2893. |
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Skipdawg 3T WIS
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Ken that must have been a fluke. The 2893 in my Hamilton is solid! And sweet! :) |
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soopah Guest
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Are there any quartz movements out there available to Ralf/Benarus that have solar or mechanical recharging? I might consider one of those. Anyway, it looks like the 2893 GMT version has won the poll with a commanding lead. CNN would have called this one pages ago. :) |
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Relativity 3T WIS
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It does kind of look like a convincing victory for the 2893.:) If Ralf receives deposits off the 40 people (current figure) who voted for it then surely the project must go ahead? |
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Skipdawg 3T WIS
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Remember even if this is a go folks it is out there in the future a bit. ;) |
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