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 Posted: Wed Apr 19th, 2006 10:35 pm
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mcwright wrote: KenC wrote:
RichardWilkinsIII wrote: A friend of mine at work pointed out how easy it is to get a Mac guy upset.  He's right.  I wonder, why do you think it is that Mac users are so passionate about their computers, while pc users don't seem to be?
 

Because they have to justify the inordinate price difference..............in both hardware and software costs! :D:D:D


HUH!???:shock: Software costs? R U Kidding? A Retail packaged copy of Windows XP Pro will cost you about $300 ($309.99 at CDW). Mac OS10 Tiger Retail package costs $129 from the APPLE store. Student/Teacher versions of Office 2004 for Mac costs $149.95 at Retail. About the same as the Windows version. Adobe PhotoShop for Mac and Windows - Same price. Mac's iWork costs $79 at Retail vs. Microsoft Works 8 at $49.95 Retail. Ok, ya got one. Microsoft Office 2004 for Mac vs. Microsof Office Standard for PC = about the same pricing.

When it comes to hardware, well there is a difference. I can't deny it. But then, there isn't a PC box on the consumer market that looks as well engineered and designed inside and out as a Mac G-5 computer. Does my Corum Romulus watch keep better time than my big honking Russian jobs I've been buying lately? NO! But, you pay more for it, for the design, quality, and everything else that makes someone pay more money for something that does basically the same thing another product will do for a lot less.

 

Window 2000XP Pro, $75.00, edirectsoftware from Dell, yadda, yadda, yadda...........PC software is easier to find discounts on (BTW........Works sucks :P).  And I have seen plenty of PC boxes that look as good as a MAC...........but that is ALL subjective/personal opinion.....but you knew that!:)

But, okay, I concede......Apple is so much better, you have convinced me..................so, why is PC the business standard in a world of price/performance ratios..............now, I am assuming because $ for $, PC gives you a bigger babg for the buck, but I (and most of the business world) could be wrong!  And the watch analogy.......pretty good, but that's why I don't buy Rolex anymore!  hehehe :dude:

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 Posted: Wed Apr 19th, 2006 11:18 pm
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Well of course you can find Dell versions of the OS (and others) on ebay right now and countless other places. I was talking Retail versions. You also can score discounts on similiar CD only versions of Mac OS if you want (i.e. no retail box, manual, etc.).

But, remember that the Mac OS (Tiger) is NEW(er) and XP is getting kinda old now. What I was trying to point out is the NEW list price of the Mac OS is about a third of the NEW list price of a Comparable Windows software (these days). Wait 'til Longhorn comes out (if it ever does). Then we'll see $300 plus list pricing for sure. Show me a $75 price then. I don't think so. It will take a couple of years before that happens.

And, I have never seen any PC that comes close to the current Mac G-5 inside. Outside, I guess if you like Alienware designs vs. the clean, sophisticated design of the Mac, I give up. Has ANY PC company created a product as cool as the Mac mini yet? The iMac? Nope. Some have tried and failed (i.e. Gateway, etc.). I don't buy Rolex anymore either. But, I have purchased other Swiss brands that I feel fit my analogy better than Rolex. I wouldn't compare Rolex to Apple, ever! No offense to Rolex owners. :D:D:P

KenC wrote: mcwright wrote: KenC wrote:
RichardWilkinsIII wrote: A friend of mine at work pointed out how easy it is to get a Mac guy upset.  He's right.  I wonder, why do you think it is that Mac users are so passionate about their computers, while pc users don't seem to be?
 

Because they have to justify the inordinate price difference..............in both hardware and software costs! :D:D:D


HUH!???:shock: Software costs? R U Kidding? A Retail packaged copy of Windows XP Pro will cost you about $300 ($309.99 at CDW). Mac OS10 Tiger Retail package costs $129 from the APPLE store. Student/Teacher versions of Office 2004 for Mac costs $149.95 at Retail. About the same as the Windows version. Adobe PhotoShop for Mac and Windows - Same price. Mac's iWork costs $79 at Retail vs. Microsoft Works 8 at $49.95 Retail. Ok, ya got one. Microsoft Office 2004 for Mac vs. Microsof Office Standard for PC = about the same pricing.

When it comes to hardware, well there is a difference. I can't deny it. But then, there isn't a PC box on the consumer market that looks as well engineered and designed inside and out as a Mac G-5 computer. Does my Corum Romulus watch keep better time than my big honking Russian jobs I've been buying lately? NO! But, you pay more for it, for the design, quality, and everything else that makes someone pay more money for something that does basically the same thing another product will do for a lot less.

 

Window 2000XP Pro, $75.00, edirectsoftware from Dell, yadda, yadda, yadda...........PC software is easier to find discounts on (BTW........Works sucks :P).  And I have seen plenty of PC boxes that look as good as a MAC...........but that is ALL subjective/personal opinion.....but you knew that!:)

But, okay, I concede......Apple is so much better, you have convinced me..................so, why is PC the business standard in a world of price/performance ratios..............now, I am assuming because $ for $, PC gives you a bigger babg for the buck, but I (and most of the business world) could be wrong!  And the watch analogy.......pretty good, but that's why I don't buy Rolex anymore!  hehehe :dude:

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Here is a great article:  http://www.macvspc.info/pages/03.html

 

I encourage you to read it.  It takes into affect what truly matters in the business world; Total Cost of Ownership.  It really sheds some light into some dark corners.  There's a part of me that really thinks that pc's and the Microsoft operating system are designed to support a large base of Technical support businesses.  In Minnesota, Best Buy has a "Geek Squad" department built right into the store.  These pc's get so messed up by spyware and viruses that people who don't really know much have to take them in to get "paved" or "cleaned".  I believe that they're made to fail to sustain a secondary business.  There are probably MCSE's out there who are shuddering at the thought of pc's running the mac OS. 

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