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| Posted: Sat May 24th, 2008 06:26 pm |
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oagaspar Site Founder 
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by the time Yargh hems and haws the watch will be sold!:D...but for what it's worth I haven't seen anyone jumping on 38mm watches lately...
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| Posted: Sat May 24th, 2008 08:11 pm |
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Paxman 3T WIS 
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YARGH wrote: fliegerman wrote:YARGH, Why not just let it go? You KNOW another watch will come along that will steal your heart Don't forget the old chestnut, "if it seems to good to be true; it probably is..."
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| Posted: Sun May 25th, 2008 03:44 am |
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sjedwardz 3T WIS 
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I'd stay clear of it - why is he selling a $1200 watch for $400? He could put it on ebay and no doubt make a lot more than $400. If he was a respected member with lots of posts I'd be tempted but only after extensive research. Are you willing to gamble $400 for no watch or a POS? I'm sure its not a one off watch - another will come around. I had to wait a year to find a nice Sandoz explorer - sometimes the search and waiting is the fun bit.
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| Posted: Mon May 26th, 2008 03:23 pm |
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YARGH 3T WIS
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I pulled the trigger. As suspcious as the whole situation seemed, I ultimately didn't have as bad feeling about it after some E-mailing the guy as I did before. After I expressed some reservations with his money order request, he actually agreed to do it over Paypal (he had an account, but had never sold anything with it and thought it would be too much trouble to set up to receive funds). I'm not getting as great a deal as it seems -- when the watch was new, 3-4 years ago (I asked the people at Limes to send me some specs of manufacturing history of this model, so I was able to come to a pretty good estimate of its age) it sold for $600-$700. Factors like inflation, an improving reputation of the brand, slight improvements to the construction, a better strap (with a deployment) and a much weaker dollar all contribute to the price of this watch being nearly $1200 today. So instead of saying I got a $1200 watch for $400, you could go the other way say that I got a 4-year old $600 watch for $400. If you just factor in the weakened dollar and inflation, I'd say I got an $800 watch for $400, albeit a used one, and one with no box, no papers, and no known history. Which probably isn't far from what it should be (the seller did absorb the insured UPS and Paypal fees). Assuming I ever get it, of course, but I think that I will. And the pictures looked really good. In this sense, I don't think it as a case of "too good to be true" at all, but probably a pretty fair deal all around, considering the risk I assumed. For the time being, this looks like the only way I'm going to be buying Swiss or German watches -- the dollar/euro thing (which has been brought up on this forum before) is just making it cost-prohibitive (value-prohibitive, really) to buy them new. Perhaps a Russian will be the next acquisition.
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| Posted: Mon May 26th, 2008 04:40 pm |
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fliegerman 3T WIS 
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I'm glad it's working out ok. I really like most of the Limes watches. Be sure to post pics when you get it! regards, Dave
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| Posted: Tue May 27th, 2008 04:21 pm |
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DEMO Guest
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Sometimes I agree, you have to be careful and try to find out about the seller. But as a seller I can sometimes understand why you would not want to use paypal. They take a bite out of your profit right off the top. Some sellers like to pocket all of their sale price. I just sold a watch using paypal and they just took $45.00 off the top of my profit on the watch. A seller has to price the watch that much higher so they don't get hit with that fee. Offering Paypal does make it easier to sell a watch if you want to put up with their fees and gives the buyer more confidence in the purchase.
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| Posted: Wed Jun 4th, 2008 03:16 pm |
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YARGH 3T WIS
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Update on this transaction: Seller E-mailed me the UPS receipt with tracking number and an estimated delivery date of this previous Monday. No delivery on Monday; after nothing arrived yesterday, I called the local UPSstore that the item shipped from to find out what's up. The clerk there told me that there have been some problems with two items on "that particular truck;" more specifically: "they seem to have disappeared." They said they're working on locating it. Has this ever happened to anyone here? It looks like I will not be getting my watch. Hopefully, I can get my money back. It was a Paypal transaction -- what is the typical protocol for a reversal of funds -- just provide proof that it didn't arrive? This is very disheartening, as this was not a watch that normally appears for sale, and that was a pretty good price for it. Oh well.
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| Posted: Thu Jun 5th, 2008 01:31 am |
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jsb806f Guest
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Why do you assume the fault is with the seller? If UPS has a tracking number then the watched wasshipped by the seller. If it is "lost" or "stolen" after that why is it the seller's fault? Did you ask that the watch be insured? I'm not sure that PayPal will reimburse under these circumstances since it doesn't look like this is the seller's fault. I'd be going after UPS.
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| Posted: Thu Jun 5th, 2008 07:00 am |
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YARGH 3T WIS
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I'm not saying that it is the seller's fault. I'm saying that I bought something that I never received, and my receiving it is the seller's responsibility. I will take the money back from him; if he feels entitled to get *his* money back from UPS, more power to him. He arranged and paid for the shipping -- not me. If he was too cheap to use overnight or two-day service, that's his problem.
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| Posted: Thu Jun 5th, 2008 08:51 am |
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KenC Admin 
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jsb806f wrote: Why do you assume the fault is with the seller? If UPS has a tracking number then the watched wasshipped by the seller. If it is "lost" or "stolen" after that why is it the seller's fault? Did you ask that the watch be insured? I'm not sure that PayPal will reimburse under these circumstances since it doesn't look like this is the seller's fault. I'd be going after UPS. I think you may have misread YARGH's comment...I see nothing that even implies that he is blaming the seller. He even stated that he verified the shipment with UPS and they admitted that they had possession of it and now could not locate it. Unless otherwise stated in the sale, it is the seller's responsibility to place insurance on the item being sold to protect against loss until it reaches the buyer. Delivery to a transit point does not constitute delivery to the purchaser. That said, only the seller can go after UPS as the contract is with the shipper and not the consignee...I just went thru that with FedEx
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| Posted: Thu Jun 5th, 2008 12:10 pm |
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jsb806f Guest
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KenC wrote: jsb806f wrote:Why do you assume the fault is with the seller? If UPS has a tracking number then the watched wasshipped by the seller. If it is "lost" or "stolen" after that why is it the seller's fault? Did you ask that the watch be insured? I'm not sure that PayPal will reimburse under these circumstances since it doesn't look like this is the seller's fault. I'd be going after UPS. I read nothing in my original comment to suggest that I implied that Yargh was blaming the seller. I wrote that it sounded like UPS lost the watch not the seller and that I didn't think that PayPal would reimburse for that. I am not criticizing Yargh. The seller is responsible for insuring the item unless otherwise stated? Interesting. I would think the reverse is true. Unless otherwise stated in the ad the watch is not sent insured by the seller. Why should the seller automatically assume the cost of insuring an item? I have insured items that I have sold when asked to do so by the buyer. I don't think it is reasonable or wise for buyers to simply assume that sellers insure the item. That seems a little like assuming that unless otherwise stated in the ad that the seller will ship the watch overnight. Wouldn't it be safer for buyers to assume if it isn't in the ad it isn't being done? I know this is an awful situation for Yargh and I can sympathize with him. I hope everything works out to his advantage. The situation raises an interesting question about the responsibility of the seller once a watch has been shipped. Last edited on Thu Jun 5th, 2008 12:14 pm by |
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| Posted: Thu Jun 5th, 2008 01:05 pm |
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Skipdawg 3T WIS 
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Bottom line it is between buyer and seller and the seller has to deal with the shipper (UPS) in this case for the buyer. I have a some what related matter right now. International shipment and package is either in the US Customs black hole or in a lost or stolen state. But when a claim is filed you just have to sit back and wait. Not much the buyer or seller can do untill they get word back from the shipper.
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