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| Posted: Thu Apr 5th, 2007 04:40 pm |
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lordsinclair 3T WIS
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I am new here, but many will know me from WUS. My good friend Stephen (04lund2025) invited me over here, and I like what I see. I was in the thick of it the moment John V's thread was moved from the WUS Dive Forum (home for me) to the Public Forum, and I have a few observations to make, for what they are worth. What has ensued is an ugly mess that mostly has nothing to do with freedom of speech, or opinions about watches. WUS is a business, and Doxa pays WUS. End of story. Like it, or take a hike. Personally, I find WUS the most informative general-purpose board out there - and plenty free enough. Try saying half the stuff that gets discussed there on TZ.com and see how far you get. That does not mean, however, that I agree with the way Doxa moderates its own forum. I don't. In business you have to take the knocks, and some of the questions that get deleted are legitimate, i.e., the now infamous post inquiring as to the exact military specs of the MilShark. I think they do themselves a disservice by deleting posts/threads that they disagree with. However, many of the posts that I have read over time on that forum clearly had some kind of axe to grind. As was mentioned by one contributor in the aftermath of the recent crisis, posts along the lines of "If I was going to buy a Doxa, which I wasn't, then the fact that they are obviously made in China, and this guy wasn't given a pay increase, just confirms my suspicions blah blah blah" have absolutely no merit whatsoever. The fact that the poster then gets all indignant when it is deleted says more about his/her motives that it does about Doxa's. Likewise, endlessly debating the rules of that forum is a complete waste of time, and just makes the poster look like a malcontent with an ulterior motive, or worse, like an idiot who cannot understand that his/her admonishment ain't gonna change a thing. A quick trawl across a few of the boards today reveals a lot about the motives of many of the contributors to the recent Doxa debate. Quite how being banned from WUS can be perceived as a badge of honor is beyond me. As I said, I am a proud WUS member, and the ongoing Doxa saga detracts from my overall experience there. In a post I made in the thread by John P of Doxa, I said that both the company, and the self-styled Doxaholics, need to reach some sort of understanding - to the benefit of us all - given that the former clearly does not understand what granting unique access to the latter sets them up for. The Doxaholics defending Doxa are in many respects as much to blame for the situation as Doxa themselves. They re-define the word "demanding" as a group of consumers, and will hector and badger the company on the minutiae of every aspect of Doxa ownership. This can only act as encouragement to others with a different agenda. And of course, as I also said in that thread, ownership is not a prerequisite for participation in any forum on any board. Just common sense. I don't think we saw a lot of that these past few days - either from a disgruntled former employee, a watch manufacturer, their die-hard supporters, or those who just wanted to have a go. I enjoy intelligent, no-holds-barred, debate as much as anyone; that is what I hope to find here. But what I witnessed on WUS was something else entirely.
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| Posted: Thu Apr 5th, 2007 04:54 pm |
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srh_pres 3T WIS 
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Good to have you with us... and thanks for your perspective on the recent events. I think you will find things very free around here as well... ;)
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| Posted: Thu Apr 5th, 2007 05:18 pm |
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04lund2025 3T WIS
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Martin our very good friend!!!!!!!! We are very happy to see you here!!!!!!! hand6.gifhand6.gifhand6.gif Thank you very much for your perspective on what has happened and is happening. Stephen and Sandra The Bathys Hawaii King and Queen Last edited on Thu Apr 5th, 2007 05:18 pm by 04lund2025 |
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| Posted: Thu Apr 5th, 2007 05:37 pm |
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jsb806f Guest
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Welcome!
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| Posted: Thu Apr 5th, 2007 06:39 pm |
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KenC Admin 
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Welcome........and I loved the dissertation! Right on the money. I've been a WUS poster for abut 5 years.
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| Posted: Thu Apr 5th, 2007 08:19 pm |
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oagaspar Site Founder 
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Welcome to 3T Sinclair! hand6.gif you must be a fairly new WUS member because this Doxa incident doesn't even come close to some of the doozies Ernie has had there in the past 6 years!:D Happy to have you on boardwatch2.gif
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| Posted: Thu Apr 5th, 2007 08:35 pm |
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lordsinclair 3T WIS
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KenC wrote: Welcome........and I loved the dissertation! Right on the money. I've been a WUS poster for abut 5 years. It was rather long, wasn't it? Sorry my first post here was a WUS/Doxa vent. Glad to get it of my chest, though. Thanks for the welcome, Ken.:)
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| Posted: Thu Apr 5th, 2007 08:44 pm |
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lordsinclair 3T WIS
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O.A. Gaspar wrote: Welcome to 3T Sinclair! hand6.gif you must be a fairly new WUS member because this Doxa incident doesn't even come close to some of the doozies Ernie has had there in the past 6 years!:D Happy to have you on boardwatch2.gif Thanks, O.A.! I've been a WUS regular for about a year. Aside from Doxa, the only other real confrontation I've seen has been in the G-Shock tent - mostly of the "I know more than you do" kind. Anyway, glad to be aboard here at 3T.:)
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| Posted: Thu Apr 5th, 2007 08:53 pm |
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lordsinclair 3T WIS
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srh_pres wrote: Good to have you with us... and thanks for your perspective on the recent events. I think you will find things very free around here as well... ;) Free is the way I like it. And intelligent, too! Thanks for the welcome!:)
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| Posted: Thu Apr 5th, 2007 08:55 pm |
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lordsinclair 3T WIS
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04lund2025 wrote: Martin our very good friend!!!!!!!! We are very happy to see you here!!!!!!! hand6.gifhand6.gifhand6.gif Hope you are both well, my friends. And thanks for the introduction!:)
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| Posted: Thu Apr 5th, 2007 08:56 pm |
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lordsinclair 3T WIS
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jsb806f wrote: Welcome! Thanks, jsb806f!
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| Posted: Thu Apr 5th, 2007 09:26 pm |
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Watchdawg 3T WIS 
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I have always read your posts with interest, just like all the other people that I have found here that are on other forums.
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