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| Posted: Sat Apr 7th, 2007 12:02 am |
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Boots 3T WIS 
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Trying to get past John V.'s blow-up here (some people are their own worst enemies), I'd like to get some balanced reaction to this thread from the Unofficial Doxa Forum. I don't know enough about how the watch industry works to know whether this is, pardon the dramatic language, the smoking Chinese gun or no big deal. I have nothing but admiration for small and one man watch companies in this age of mega corporations. I have wondered what will happen to many of these companies if Swatch/ETA really radically restricts the sale of their movements. Will this mean that many companies will be considered "Chiropean" or whatever ? Again, not trying to stir the pot, but trying to get a perspective from a group of folks who are not still in the venting mode which I believe will eventually turn to serious, meaningful dialogue. Thanks in advance. Oskar, please delete this if you think it inappropriate. http://www.tz-uk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=28563
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| Posted: Sat Apr 7th, 2007 12:31 am |
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Boots 3T WIS
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Please let me add that a quality watch is a quality watch regardless of country of origin. I just have more respect for companies that are willing to admit that they are trying to offer the best bang for the buck by using Asian suppliers.
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| Posted: Sat Apr 7th, 2007 01:10 am |
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pacifichrono 3T WIS 
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Hey Boots, Personally, I don't see any smoking gun there. Just because the same guy (a very rich guy, I'm sure) owns companies in various parts of the world doesn't mean they comingle operations. I worked at Target's headquarters for years and their buying arrangements were absolutely separate from their sister companies (Dayton's, Mervyn's, B Dalton). The latest I read over at WUS (since I'm now banned there I can't read the latest!) was that John P. has assured members that Doxa watches are 100% Swiss, excepting only straps, and non-watch paraphernalia. Until and unless solid evidence surfaces to the contrary, I am willing to accept John P.'s statement. Like many of you, I really don't care if the watch is fully Swiss made or not, just that the final product meets traditional Swiss standards of excellence. Of course, lying to customers is another matter, but at this juncture I don't see any evidence of that. IMHO. Tom
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| Posted: Sat Apr 7th, 2007 01:25 am |
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canadajo 3T WIS 
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I just spent an hour catching up on the whole saga !!!!! I was able to take my time and carefully read it all as it unfolded ..... It all seems to come out in the wash ...... The tiger can't hide his stripes forever, eventually a mans character will show
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| Posted: Sat Apr 7th, 2007 02:04 am |
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srh_pres 3T WIS 
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Well, no dog in this yet, but I am considering a Divingstar GMT. The statement made that the watch is 100% Swiss Made (except for the strap) is ostensiby false as I believe the dial and hands are made in Germany. A better statement would be that Doxa watches are Swiss Made in accordance with law. A breakout of parts' origins should only be important to the appropriate Swiss regulatory body. I would hope Mr. Jenny would find the most economic way to maximize quality and profit, but still stay within Swiss law regarding the use of the term 'Swiss Made'. I also don't really care where all the piece-parts come from, if the quality is there and there is truth in advertising. If it was shown that Doxa's watches are not compliant with Swiss law, then I would have second thoughts about giving them any business until they complied. IMHO, of course...
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| Posted: Sat Apr 7th, 2007 06:24 am |
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steve, i ordered a 750t black dialed sharky, at a nice discount. I've bought enough watches to know that a company needs to source parts. An all in house watch is out of my price range. I have some opinions about the whole doxa thing but theres nothing I could really add to whats been said.
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| Posted: Sat Apr 7th, 2007 07:38 am |
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lordsinclair 3T WIS
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My take is that the whole Chinese Doxa thing - "Choxa" as someone called it on WUS - is, and remains, an excuse to have a go at Doxa. What do folk think the difference between a $5000 Rolex Submariner and a $1500 Doxa comes down to? It ain't a $3500 in-house movement, that's for sure. Is the Sub "worth" the difference? Only the individual can decide. But there has to be a reason, or reasons, why the Doxa is $1500. The watch may be "Swiss Made" but is it 100% Swiss "manufactured?" I don't profess to be an expert on the legalities of what constitutes "Swiss Made," but at the price-point, is anyone really surprised that the a Doxa might not be 100% Swiss "manufactured?" I took a look at TZ.UK, and there is quite a bit of smug self-congratulation going on. As I said in my first post here on 3T, this whole fiasco is not about the watches, and it is not about free speech, either. It is about people demanding the right to say whatever they want, wherever they want. The fact that this whole Chinese debate is running and running kind of proves it. Who's next? Omega? Breitling? I doubt it. If the naysayers have proof of Chinese manufacture, then they should bring it forward. Until then, they need to give John P the same benefit of the doubt that they clearly reserve for themselves. Doxa needs to wise up and take it on the chin every once in a while. But they don't have to listen to vitriol on their own Forum from those with an agenda...and no, there is no smoking gun.
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| Posted: Sat Apr 7th, 2007 10:48 am |
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srh_pres 3T WIS
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John P. gives some 'straight' answers on the TZ-UK Unofficial Doxa Forum... http://www.tz-uk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=28597
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| Posted: Sat Apr 7th, 2007 02:34 pm |
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Watchdawg 3T WIS 
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I think that John P is providing us with the information that he has available to him. John V on the other hand has not provided a shred of evidence to support his allegations. In fact he retracted those allegations and if you look at his exchange with KenC you have to really question his veracity and motivation. On one hand we have a guy doing damage control with what seems to be all the info that he has on hand. On the other hand we have a disgruntled employee trying to do as much damage as possible. We all have taken John V's allegations as truth without anything to back them up. What's wrong with this picture? With the little information that I have gathered on the various forums it seems that the Swiss watch industry is very secretive to say the least. I cannot believe that John V didn't sign a non-disclouser agreement upon being employeed by DOXA. This makes him the most likely target of any suits that maybe coming when this all settles down. As I said elsewhere maybe he is setting him self up for an "Insanity defense" based on his echanges with KenC. Any information that John P provides has to be what he has been given to release, he is only the messenger or a talking head to be simplistic. I am not an apologist for DOXA just someone who is trying to find out the most information about their watches so I can make an informed decision. Sorry this is so long but just my thoughts. Vic edit: Typo Last edited on Sat Apr 7th, 2007 03:21 pm by Watchdawg |
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| Posted: Sat Apr 7th, 2007 03:24 pm |
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canadajo 3T WIS
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I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU ....and I concur in that there usually is a non compete or disclosure agreement signed ..... ALSO , anybody who takes on KEN C in a verbal battle is insane, or an idiot, or both Watchdawg wrote: I think that John P is providing us with the information that he has available to him. John V on the other hand has not provided a shred of evidence to support his allegations. In fact he retracted those allegations and if you look at his exchange with KenC you have to really question his veracity and motivation.
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