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| Posted: Fri Jul 17th, 2009 03:55 am |
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lincolnunit 3T WIS 
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I don't want to start a raging inferno; but I think there is a fair amount of hope that this may happen, perhaps due to other watch companies actually 'selling out' and producing an extension of a 'limited edition'. Benarus would indeed lose a considerable amount of credibility amongst their current and potential customers to 're-issue' a watch that was destined for only 100 production limit. Where would the fun in pre-ordering or finding a deal on a limited edition watch be with the fear that a company would somehow add to the final tally by changing a minor design issue such as a dial face? It's true; I own a Barracuda, but the 'joy' for me would be actually find one of the 100 in a long search rather than pray for the company to extend their run by a minor design change, and easily purchase it that way.
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| Posted: Fri Jul 17th, 2009 04:13 am |
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T3isMe 3T WIS
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lincolnunit wrote: I don't want to start a raging inferno; but I think there is a fair amount of hope that this may happen, perhaps due to other watch companies actually 'selling out' and producing an extension of a 'limited edition'.I see your point but I disagree that changing the dial color is a minor change. For example, a red carbon fiber Barracuda would look very different from the original.
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| Posted: Fri Jul 17th, 2009 04:34 am |
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lincolnunit 3T WIS
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Changing a dial color would require very little alterations to the original design of the watch, hence, 'minor'. Changing the bezel, bracelet or even the crystal shape would require many stages in the manufacturing process and would be even cause to call the watch by another name. However, a dial color change would change the appearance of the watch aesthetically without any significant modifications to the actually CAD design of the watch. I guess I'm not really in favor of a 'second run' of these watches with another dial color. It took me forever to find mine second hand from another forum member. How about the ability to have existing owners choose another dial color...how's that for a logistical nightmare for Benarus? :shock: And yes, a variance in dial colors would look smokin'! Can't filibuster that fact! :cool:
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| Posted: Fri Jul 17th, 2009 06:57 am |
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oagaspar Site Founder 
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there are many watch manufacturers if not all that issue Limited Editions in various dial colors and it does not detract anything from the fact that they are LE's...there are 100 blue CF dialed Barracudas...that's it and no more to be made....so if Ralf were to issue another 100 in a radiant silver dial version for example that would not take anything away from the original blue hand6.gif
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| Posted: Fri Jul 17th, 2009 12:58 pm |
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lincolnunit 3T WIS
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Dingo wrote: The idea that it would be wrong for Benarus to issue the Barracuda with a new dial or it would some how cheap the blue dial Barracuda is silly. Below is a list I copied from Gigfy of the Orsa Sea Angler. Has the value of the lume dial model or silver surfer plummeted because Orsa offered the Sea Angler with an orange dial? Of course not! Nobody considers Orsa a sell-out because it has offered several limited edition Sea Anglers. I hate to say it, but the current Barracuda owners that are opposed to the idea of offering the Barracuda with another colored dial sound selfish. Dingo, if I could, what is selfish about a product that was sold as a LIMITED EDITION expected to be just that? Not to compare 'apples and oranges' but even in publishing when a book has a second print run it is so numbered (but is NOT sold as a LIMITED EDITION) as a second edition and so on. I would think that it's really a little 'bait and switch' when a product is sold out, and it is re-offered with a slight variance. As I previously threaded, I missed out on the initial 100, and had to cruise and lose on multiple forums to finally find a used Barracuda for a decent price. Adding another run with a different color is the same watch [name], regardless of the beauty of the watch. Variety is fine for a watch color (as long as they are initially sold that way (as Invicta often does), but that design is over as soon as 'limited edition is stamped on the case back...coyote2.gif
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| Posted: Fri Jul 17th, 2009 01:39 pm |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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Lincoln I believe you have the wrong conception of what a LE is in the watch world!....if what you say would be true Hublot,AP,Panerai and many other watch companies would have long since gone out of business because they use the same case over and over with different dials and they are still Limited Editions!...the the Hublot Big Bang series has at least a dozen different dials available in the exact same case and each one is a LE and no one is complaining....these are watches that start at $15,000.00 :D ...take some time and do some research....those who want a Blue CF will still hunt for one...that is part of the excitement of this hobby....once you have some years in you will begin to understand hand6.gif ...and Invicta 
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| Posted: Fri Jul 17th, 2009 01:45 pm |
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Nabco 3T WIS 
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I have a question for those that currently own a Barracuda and are against a reissue.... When you purchased your Cuda as an LE, did you purchase it because it was an LE or because it was an awesome looking watch? If you purchased it as an LE was the reasoning that at some point in time it will sky rocket in value, or you wanted something that you would never see anyone else wearing? If your thinking was it would sky rocket in value even if it increase 200% it is still only a $1,000 watch, I don't think you can retire on that....and if you really love the watch, why would you sell it in the first place. Let's say it was purchased for the second reason and you wanted something that you would never see anyone else wearing....my response to that is get real....these watches are sold worldwide, even if there were 2,000 of them produced your chances of seeing another one are pretty slim. And finally, it's not a secret that the Cuda case is actually a Longio catalog case, and IMO so what, my guess is this watch would have been MUCH MORE EXPENSIVE if it was not a catalog case, it is still one of my top 5 favorite watches in my collection. IMO the reason the Cuda is special is because of Ralf, because he is a friend, because he takes our suggestions to heart, and because his QA and CS are second to none....I believe anyone can buy that case any time they want to, but any other watch produced in that case would not be the same. So in summary I would love for Ralf to release another version of the Cuda, maybe with a 2824 movement and a cool red fiber dial or the dial on Oscars 1K....my guess is it would sell out like hotcakes!!!
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| Posted: Fri Jul 17th, 2009 02:01 pm |
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T3isMe 3T WIS
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Nabco wrote: I have a question for those that currently own a Barracuda and are against a reissue....Well said. I am an owner of a #59 'Cuda and have no problems with Ralf releasing another version. All I care about is having a cool watch on my wrist. I own some Seikos that I love and I don't love them any less because they are mass produced.
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| Posted: Fri Jul 17th, 2009 02:08 pm |
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joecb 3T WIS 
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I understand the stance of the guys who bought into the LE version looking for the exclusivity and therefoe oppose a re-issue. however, I do not own one and do admire the design and would like to see a similar but different version. Not changing the overall case, bracelet or bezel, but perhaps dial change, different colors, etc. enough to make it the "Barracuda II" version, and would appeal to all, current owners and prospective new owners. IMHO 
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| Posted: Fri Jul 17th, 2009 05:46 pm |
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Dingo 3T WIS 
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hjames987 wrote: A silver dial similar to your 1of1 LE 1km in the Barracuda case would be nice to have! I don't believe I've ever seen silver colored carbon fiber. It would be interesting to see what that would look like.
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| Posted: Fri Jul 17th, 2009 08:57 pm |
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lincolnunit 3T WIS
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oagaspar wrote: Lincoln I believe you have the wrong conception of what a LE is in the watch world!....if what you say would be true Hublot,AP,Panerai and many other watch companies would have long since gone out of business because they use the same case over and over with different dials and they are still Limited Editions!...the the Hublot Big Bang series has at least a dozen different dials available in the exact same case and each one is a LE and no one is complaining....these are watches that start at $15,000.00 :D Uh-oh. It should be clear to all that I'm having a bit of a 'spat' and that I am being centered in that I am against a re-issue of a type of watch regardless of it being a Hublot or even a Timex. But I am not being stubborn in this position. What research is necessary to be aware of when a re-issue of something that is a 'limited edition' is clearly false? To say that it's okay to re-issue something just because you may want a part of the original magic is somewhat more centered than I am griping about. It's a low-blow to assume that I will understand once 'I have some years in'; what experience is necessary in this hobby to understand the claim of 'limited edition'? I am not beefing Benarus for emblazoning 'limited edition' on their watches; I am griping about the clear-cut agreements from most that think it's 'okay' to re-issue a watch with no intention of crying 'foul', as I am. My point is not to say that another issue of the Barracuda wouldn't look smokin'; but at what point do we, as watch aficionados, cry 'foul' at a dreamed (or very REAL with other watch brands) re-issue just because we have our own ideas of how much better a design would look with some variance? Maybe I missed the point, then.  Paul D.
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| Posted: Mon Jul 20th, 2009 07:20 am |
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romeo-1 3T WIS 
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Personally, if I had purchased a Limited to 100 Barracuda I would be somewhat miffed at a re-issue...in any dial color. Just my 2 cents!
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