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A little history for those not in the know.....
If you have not heard Invicta has been selling a new Speedway model with a Dubuis-Depraz 2021 module movement that has an incredibly high failure rate (higher than normal).
It was stated by Slop and Invicta that the problem had been identified as a D-D problem and that Eyal was in communication with them and that D-D was addressing the issue.
It was also stated in the presentation of the watch on Slop by Eyal that Invicta was lucky to be doing business directly with D-D and it was a real honor to be getting these movements direct from D-D.
So a fellow WIS decided to contact D-D directly to find out the real story...here is the email sent to D-D and their response.
This all comes on the heels of Eyal admitting that Invicta watches with "SWISS" on the dial are in fact made in Asia.
Remember that Google is your friend if you want more details on this
ENJOY!!!!!
Dear Mr. Becker,
I am writing to you to inquire if you had seen or heard of the complaints by buyers of a new Invicta watch that has been touted as using the Dubois 2021 module. If not, all of the posts, unedited by my small forum of dedicated collectors are available for viewing.
It seems that the hands on the watches were mis-aligned and there were other related issues. The TV cable host of the site where these Invicta Speedway watches were sold made a big deal of the fault being that of Dubois. He went out of his way to state the owner of Invicta Watch Group would be having a "loud conversation" with Dubois Dupraz. He and the watch company have made it clear that the faults of the problems discussed are not the fault of Invicta and repeated opinions that the fault lay with your company. It was inferred by the afore-mentioned Host for Shopnbc, Jim Skelton that other unnamed watch companies had experienced similar problems with Dubois modules. As the owner of several watches with Dubois modules including a Maurice Lacroix, I would dispute that statement.
I am also asking if you could provide any information as to the back-story on this issue and perhaps how Invicta came to obtain this module. The vendor made a big show on how difficult it is to obtain them and to be approved by Dubois. Of course, this same company has been forced to admit that the watches it sells with the word Swiss at the 6 oclock position have Chinese movements in them.
Most of us are of the opinion that the modules or movements and modules were obtained from a third party other than Dubois and exported to the middle east. Our little forum, which has 80 core members of long time serious watch collectors has aproximatly 500 visitors a day. Not too bad for a forum which does no advertising, and limits membership to those approved by the members themselves.
If you do respond, I could if permited, post the response for people to view. We are small but our reach is very long.
Best regards,
HERE IS DUBUIS DEPRAZ RESPONSE TO HIS EMAIL;
Re: Dubois 2021 & Invicta fiasco
From: Christopher Becker
Ccadubois@dubois-depraz.ch, emetzger@dubois-depraz.ch
Sent: Fri, Jun 11, 2010 02:17
Dear ,
Thank you for your e-mail. As a matter of fact, I received a call about this from someone in New Jersey just last week.
We are currently investigating what has happened here, and can clearly state the following:
1) Invicta has never purchased a movement or module from Dubois-Depraz. We have had sporadic contact in the past, but to date no movement has ever been supplied to them.
2) The 2021 has been made by the hundreds of thousands, and "opinions" notwithstanding, we have never heard from any customer for this movement regarding the types of problems you have described. After hundreds of thousands, we think we would have by now if there were actually issues.
3) Since Invicta is not a customer of ours, we have no idea if the movements alluded to are in fact genuine DD modules or not. We have seen "duplicates" of our modules in the past (sadly, not bad ones, either), and if they are such, Invicta may very well not even be aware that they are, since they have never had the real thing to compare it to. If they are genuine, we do not know how many hands they passed through before they arrived at Invicta, and what treatment they were subject to.
4) We have contacted Invicta Watch and requested not only their reaction to your e-mail, but also 5-10 samples of cased watches with the modules to determine their origin (see 3) above) and initial sales point (both of which we can do). As you and your members are surely also aware, the casing procedure itself is very delicate and can de-regulate a chronometer-grade movement as well as cause damage to components, such as dials and hands, if done improperly.
5) Obviously, the President of Invicta has not had, nor would he have reason to have had, any "loud conversation" with Dubois-Depraz since he is not even a customer. I would be very surprised if he or anyone from his company publicly blamed DD for something of that nature as claimed; it is not his style as I have known him.
Any person making the types of claims you have mentioned in your e-mail should be advised to be very sure of their information, and the veracity of any information, before making pejorative public statements, especially on a national network.
You may feel free to post this response on your site, and we appreciate your keeping us informed of these events.
Kind regards,
Chris Becker
Business Development Manager--Americas
Dubois-Depraz SA