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Hammerfjord wrote:Patrik72 wrote:
Bit confused why TORGOEN is on the list. Its an American owned company. Watch is put together in Switzerland and has a ETA G10-211 as movement.
Im referring to the T16 model in this case. I used to own one and it was a pretty nice watch.
I actually contacted the website that published this list before buying my Torgoen. I wanted an answer to why it was on their list. Never got a reply, so i bought the watch. (The reason i sold it? It was to big for my tiny wrist. 53mm from top to bottom lug.)
I recomend not to take the list too seriously.
The Black List
Patrik: Those Torgoen watches are not assembled in Switzerland and don´t wear the "Swiss-Made" only legal mark that you obtain when your watch is proven to have 50% at list of it´s cost originated from Switzerland.
I resume there...
The law past at 60% newly.
Anyway: In no places on them net-site Torgoen is stating that them watches are manufactured or cased in Switzerland.
The only Swiss mention is on the dial "SWISS" and there on the description: "The T16 is made with a Swiss made ETA chronograph quartz movement."
This "SWISS" on the dial means nothing in the legal watch world and they certainly can legally defend it´s use by saying that it describe the movement´s origin.
Those watches are most likely fully made and cased in Asia with an imported "Swiss-Made" quartz movement which might even have Asian components or partial Asian assembling.
Smoke and mirrors my friend.
Thank you! Thats an answer i can accept. But its kind of sad that the Swedish AD told me a lie then. Its from them i got my information. Im probably a bit naive to have taken their word as honest replies to my questions.
Leaves a bitter taste in my mouth, but im now happy that i sold/traded the watch. (Traded it for the Glycine Combat 6 + 500skr).
At least i have learned something by this lesson.
Many shops have no clue about what they are selling...
If the owner knows, you can get received by a moron who was selling flowers before arriving there the week before.
Now, for the Authorized Dealers: They should know what they sell.
Anyway: There´s still a bunch folks who don´t understand how the "Swiss-Made" been exploited since years and how much the 50% law been abused to the bone by many brands.
"Swiss-Made" brands.
They are many, have known names.
The boss of Longio been bragging a long time that they was producing cases and parts for "Luxury brands" which he will never give the names of, since it´s against the ethic between the client and him.
You can bet that those "Luxury brands" would hate to be known publicly as having them parts made in Hong-Kong.
It would put them credibility on the line and destroy them reputation.
When you compare the hour price of a Swiss watchmaker and the price of an Asian, since the law was at 50% "Swissness", you could put many hours of work in a 50% Asian and very few in the other 50% Swiss.
Resulting in a watch with a Swiss movement and all parts Chinese and legally declared as "Swiss-Made".
We are now at 60% and it´s a good thing: Still, it´s not enough to cut down the ugly business of those brands who still sell them "Schissnese" watches to us at high price, hiding the fact that they deal with Longio or others.
They don´t promise us 100% in-house and they don´t break the law.
Mose people just assume that they are "100% Swiss-Made" because people don´t know how it works behind the curtains.
This is how a 150$ Asian case&parts will be sold for 2000$+ to you after a slight finish and casing in Switzerland.
Don´t misunderstand me: The quality is there at the end but you´re not sold what you thought you bought.
You been mostly sold a brand´s name.