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 Posted: Mon Feb 4th, 2008 06:10 pm
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Eeeb wrote:

Eeeb I have no idea what kind of auto watches you are looking at but all my higher end auto/mechanicals COSC,Lemania's are smoother than any of my high end quartz(Breitling.Rolex) including the electronics and tuning fork watches I ownwatch2.gifThere was a new eta quartz to be released in 2007 but since halted that had an extra gear and 60 extra teeth that touted to be as close as a high end mechanical in the smooth sweep category but even eta said as close not smoother :D

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     Well, for me, once I saw the smooth-as-silk gliding of the automatics or mechanicals, I couldn't take the clunk, clunk, clunk of the quartz.  ...
Look closely and you will see 'smooth-as-silk', on a 28,000 BPH watch (most mechanicals), is acutally 8 discreet twitches of the second hand per second.  (You can actually see this if your eyes are good enough.) Only tuning fork watches are 'smooth-as-silk', at least to the human eye. (They have about 100 twitches per second.) 


But Aardvarks have such visual acquity that it is believed they can see the twitches on Omega f300s.

(I wonder if Aardvarks could collect watches what would they like??)happy1.gif


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Hmmmmm


Should we bring Spring Drive watches into the conversation?
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EricAldovino wrote: I am sorry if I offend anyone's amaizng swatch collection, it was never my intention. yourock.gif



 

I'd like to politely point out that Swatch makes automatics, I bought my wife 3  of them. They're kind of fun.  I think the original issue was the cost of quartz and why pay an exhorbitant price for it.  I'm confused by it as well when we all know what they cost to make.  Conversely we can say the same for automatics can't we.  Why pay for the name Rolex when we can get a Marathon or Orsa that's just as bulletproof. Which seques into Status as we've mentioned before.  I'm sure we can all appreciate a well laid out watch that looks good no matter what the engine is inside.  And we all know roughly what the cost of materials is as well so why do we pay so much for watches at all??  Fortunatly there are more smaller companies now making excellent watches of both varieties that we can all have a spectacular collection for ourselves.  I hope the Swiss pay attention to where our hard earned money is going and take note.  Amazing and Grail-like they may be I'm going to leave the big names to the status seekers because I've got lots to acquire and catch up on in the affordable range (and it's a big range).

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Foster wrote:

Absolutely Foster!:D....your wealth of knowledge when it comes to movements and identifying them has always peaked my interest Buddy...please share yourock.gif
Hmmmmm


Should we bring Spring Drive watches into the conversation?
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Well, I'm mostly interested in what guys like Ken and Eric think of them.

I know Ken is a big Seiko fan, but does the electronic regulation of the Spring Drive make it less attractive?

These movements are beautifully made and mostly mechanical, but they use a quartz crystal to regulate the energy stored in the mainspring.

Does that rob them of their soul?

(they have some seriously smooth sweeping second hands too)




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Interesting you should bring up the Spring Drive I was thinking about them and looked this up. ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_KkmwapoG0

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Foster wrote:

 Awesome Foster and I agree that it is a marvel in the watch world today and would love to get one this year!watch2.gifMy Buddy has one he brought back from Japan and the sweep is barely noticeable!hand6.gif
Well, I'm mostly interested in what guys like Ken and Eric think of them.

I know Ken is a big Seiko fan, but does the electronic regulation of the Spring Drive make it less attractive?

These movements are beautifully made and mostly mechanical, but they use a quartz crystal to regulate the energy stored in the mainspring.

Does that rob them of their soul?

(they have some seriously smooth sweeping second hands too)





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Very cool video!

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I agree with the price issue of quartz.  But, like they say, buy what you like.  Collect what you have a passion for.  I do have to say though, due to this discussion, I will probably think twice about posting pics of a quartz watch that I may buy in the future.  Scott

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I wonder if Aardvarks could collect watches what would they like??)

 

They would wonder if humans collected watches and what they would like

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Skipdawg wrote: Interesting you should bring up the Spring Drive I was thinking about them and looked this up. ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_KkmwapoG0

Great video Skip  I learned a thing or two and that movement looks really neat.

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Foster wrote: Well, I'm mostly interested in what guys like Ken and Eric think of them.

I know Ken is a big Seiko fan, but does the electronic regulation of the Spring Drive make it less attractive?

These movements are beautifully made and mostly mechanical, but they use a quartz crystal to regulate the energy stored in the mainspring.

Does that rob them of their soul?

(they have some seriously smooth sweeping second hands too)






Absolutely not...the Seiko Spring drive has nothing to do with the majesty and craftsmanship of the movement itself.  It is still a mechanical movement with hi-tech enhancement mechanism that simply assists in the release of the mechanical movement's main-spring.  It just so happens to be quartz driven.

Bottom line, the Seiko Spring Drive is a mechanical movement that is as accurate as a quartz movement.  To think differently would be akin to stating that todays cars are powered by computers when, in fact, the computer is there simply to, among other things, regulate the input and mixture of fuel and air to make the engine run more efficiently.  To refer to the Spring Drive as a quartz movement (which I have seen some do) is pure ignorance (well, in some cases, it's just sheer stupidity!) yourock.gif

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