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canadajo 3T WIS 
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All I did was ask about my # 66 preordered Ocean 7 proplof ...... my thread was deleated in seconds ...... I was just wondering when I could expect ? It was last fall when I sent $250.00 ..... They said Jan or Feb ..... I know there are delays ..... I just want to know when and why ???? Is this unreasonable to ask ???? Does anyone here know the scoop ? |
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Skipdawg 3T WIS 
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Not sure but Ocean7 seems to be behind on it big time. I've seen a few post vanish over there and I had one about the LM4 vanish a few months back.:? With a deposit in you would think Mitch would do better by his customers. Hope someone has a answer for ya CJ and a good one. ;) I'm not going to bother buying any O7 watches new anymore. If something is to my liking I'll wait for one to flip. LOL :D |
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oagaspar Site Founder 
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well I'm not going to say "I said so":D....but they probably can't get any eta or even Selitta movements at this timecoyote2.gif |
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canadajo 3T WIS
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thanxs O .... and thanks for this place , 3T , ...my home, where I can ask a question and get an answer !!!! |
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Eric L. 3T WIS 
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As a fellow LM-7 preorder, I'll chime in here. Mitch says he has all the movements in stock, but its that case factory in China that keeps on delaying things. The official line is "they have orders for 50,000 cases, and our order of 300 cases takes a low priority." Now I am not sure how "low priority" can translate to something like a 9 month delay, but then I don't really know what goes on at O7. They do have a fanatical following and I have both an LM-1 and LM-6, both of which are very nice watches, but the price I paid for both are at the limit of what I think they are worth. I emailed Mitch today to ask what the official specs of the LM-7 are, since I cannot find them anywhere. So right now I have a rough idea of what the dimensions will be, but no idea what the WR rating is, what movement it will use (O is right that it will be either 2824-2 or SW200), whether the crystal is AR coated, what dial it will use, what hands, etc.... There was some brief mention that the bezel will have lumed numerals and some sort of sapphire coating, but who knows whether they will get that done since I've heard nothing about it. I really expect more delays. Get ready for the excuse of "in August the Swiss watchmakers take their month long holidays" in the coming weeks. I find it hard to believe they all pack up shop and close for a month! What a way to run a business. In the end, like all long projects, it will be delivered and people will sing its praises. Outsiders will come in and say "I wish I got in on this, do you want to sell it to me?" not realizing that the delay has been over a year already. |
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canadajo 3T WIS
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thanks Eric ....... thats more info than I have been able to get from anybody .....thanks again |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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what does the Swiss closing up shop for Aug. have to do with a Chinese casemaker when it's the case you are saying that is holding everything up...are you saying these watches are Swinese?:D....and what was Mitches reply to your e-mail Eric? ... I remember Poul saying that his Korsbek cases being made by Fricker was delayed due to larger projects that take priority as the production crews get nice bonuses for completeing these larger orders on time or earlier...this made sense to me and Poul even offerred refunds for anyone who wanted their deposits back and kept everyone up to date even if he had no news ...and he deliveredhand6.gif. ...100 pre-orders at $250. each and non-refundable for the O7 Plop is a lot of coin to be sitting on imo for quite some time now and no light being shed on the subject for months as those who paid wait patiently seems illogical as someone definitely knows something...and like all project watches a certain amount of these will hit the sales forums as well face4.gif ...I waited some time for my PRS-20 LE from Eddie/Timefactors but he took no money from anyone and kept everyone up to date on the going's on regardless of the news he had....and he delivered  |
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Eric L. 3T WIS
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No reply from Mitch yet, but he seems like an upstanding guy. I've never heard what contract company O7 uses to assemble their watches in Switzerland. For the LM-1, I believe they used Cattin, which is the same company that did the work on the Swiss Made versions of the Orsa Sea Angler (Silver and Lume dials). Update: I'm so blind. The specs are right on their status stick post: http://forums.watchuseek.com/showthread.php?t=88584 Last edited on Wed Jul 30th, 2008 05:14 pm by Eric L. |
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Paxman 3T WIS 
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Upstanding guy? Well if you discount a complete lack of communication to his customers. Seemed able to communicate when he took their deposits but heaven forbid anyone want any more information. This just makes O7 look like jerks imho and coupled with the non-transferable warranty BS insures I won't ever buy another one of their derivative who knows what movement is in it pieces. Like they give two shits anyway. Never never hesitate... always always communicate. Frankly I'll be surprised if anyone ever sees this abomination!!  |
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Eric L. 3T WIS
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Completely agree with the "always communicate" idea - delays happen from time to time, and I always appreciate it if I get an honest answer, and not the run around. Mitch has always replied to my emails within the same day, and thats good enough for me. Oh and about the warranty, yeah it should be transferrable. Only excuse I can think of why it isn't is for them to avoid repairing watches. I'm not holding my breath for the LM-7 after my deposit has been held for a year now. Oh well, what can one do? It will show up at some point and I'm sure it will be a nice watch. Paxman wrote: Upstanding guy? Well if you discount a complete lack of communication to his customers. Seemed able to communicate when he took their deposits but heaven forbid anyone want any more information. Last edited on Fri Aug 1st, 2008 03:18 am by Eric L. |
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IanM 3T WIS 
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Grrr - I can feel another rant coming on...  Canadajo - like you, I am one of the fluffy bunnies who paid a deposit a year or so ago. I expected a few months, I got a year. Ah well - more time to get others, I say. The money for the LM-7 has been in my Paypal account, then out, then in, then out... and on it goes. Mitch might not like having to wait until the funds are there to pay for LM-7 number 111, but I guess it is fair that he wait a little bit, too, if the account is empty when the thing miraculously appears. He did say he would take Paypal for the remainder. And it cost me another $50 in fees to make a direct bank to bank payment from the international currency division of my Aussie bank to his US one... Only recent news on what was the most talked about Ocean 7 ever, and is now the most UNtalked about Ocean7 ever (other than between those who want one) is that Mitch was going to make the bezel a quick-change (removable, replaceable with others) type. That died cos the watch was "too far into the production schedule". Projected delivery is quoted by O7 as August/Sept. I expect October and would not be surprised if it was November. But no biggie - it isn't like it is the only watch I will ever own. Down the track, there will be the SS bracelet (don't want one cos I have an Omega mesh), display goodies (dont need or want) and a PVD version too (not needed either). The little acorn has become an unmanageable Oak, IMHO. I do not agree with the removal of posts that ask uncomfortable questions - that is why we have forums in the first place - unsolicited uncensored feedback on all matters watch related - no matter how dumb the question (and I am just talking about some of MY Qs here...). OK - unfounded allegations, reputation smearing, sour grapes and unreasonable comments should be counter-argued off the boards. But it is a bit like being able to edit your own ebay feedback, isn't it? Yep - that is a lot of coin to sit on for a year. But I guarantee that we will have short memories after it is delivered. If. Ever. I call it the WIS's curse - "...you will forget the last fight when you are making love...". By the way, this also works as "you can forget the last fight you had with your wife when you are making love to her beautiful sister", but you know what I mean  . Or do you??? hehehe. All I mean to say is that the present dramas will be forgotten when the watch arrives, or when you get another watch that makes you forget (had to clear that up cos not sure how it translated and didnt want to offend anyone...).IanM hand6.gif |
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Crue4 3T WIS 
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I have handled a few models of the Ocean 7 line.. and in all honesty I think they are solid $500-600 watches... but they are not nicely finished, in reality kinda rough, ragged, sharp tooling edges and marks in many places... PVD coating was poorly done... certainly I cannot believe the prices some are paying for the O7 watches.. and it seems that Mitch raises his prices all the time kinda like Doxa... product stays the same... price go up... Hopefully I didn't offend anyone that owns one... after all it is just a watch, and just how I feel about them... I would buy the the LM6 for $500... but not for $899 plus bracelet or whatever they are sell for.. LM7 exluded from the price thing above.. b/c I do understand the lure of a homage to the legendary Omega. |
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KenC Admin 
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...and, once again, I question the business ethics of Ocean7 and its owner. To me, it has always been a slightly dishonest, cult-like operation. He sucks people in by making them think they are participating in the design of a watch that, in reality, is made with "off-the-shelf" components. Not only that, but to immediately delete a simple and legitimate question by a quality poster shows a lack of willingness for open and honest communication, a total lack of respect for the customer and lack of moral compass...in other words, it is downright sleazy. It almost sounds as if Eyal or JS owned the company. On the other hand, Boschett is everything that Ocean7 is not...a great watch with an unbelievable quality construction and outstanding customer service at a fantastic price. But, hey...that's just me!!! |
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canadajo 3T WIS
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Well you mention the 500-600 range .....I can understand that when you see the Bochett for 500 ...... the watch you can buy from them is a solid , well built watch for 499 ! I wanted an Omega Proplof, but at 5000-20,000 for one I cant do that! And I do think for what I will have paid, I will be happy when I finally do get it :? |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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I hope alls well that ends well for you CJ!hand6.gif...and I agree the Boshett Reef Ranger is one of the Best Swiss Made watches I have seen at $499. and much higher imho...not to mention Keith is a WIS who makes buying a watch a pleasureyahoo.gif |
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DEMO Guest
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Hey CJ, I'm right there with ya buddy. I have a pre-order in for an LM-7 too. The length of time this watch is taking is nuts. I used to check the forum over there regularly for any bit of news on that model I could savor. Very little to say the least. It got frustrating so I just quit checking. I actual forget that it's comming until a new thread pops up about it. I figure when it shows up it shows up. I'm sure it will be nice when it eventually arrives. Like you, I really like the Omega Ploprof but I'll be damned if I pay the going rates for one of those these days. |
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captobvious 3T WIS 
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DEMO wrote: Hey CJ, I'm right there with ya buddy. I have a pre-order in for an LM-7 too. The length of time this watch is taking is nuts. I used to check the forum over there regularly for any bit of news on that model I could savor. Very little to say the least. It got frustrating so I just quit checking. I actual forget that it's comming until a new thread pops up about it. I figure when it shows up it shows up. I'm sure it will be nice when it eventually arrives. Like you, I really like the Omega Ploprof but I'll be damned if I pay the going rates for one of those these days. X2. I've gotten over the impatience. When it comes it comes and I'm sure I'll love it. Until then I have plenty of other watches to keep me company.;) |
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Nalu 3T WIS 
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1. Mitch posts progress as it occurs, usually in a thread on the forum but ALWAYS in the Project Status thread, which is a sticky at the top of the forum. 2. That sticky also includes the O7 Forum Rules. One of those rules specifically states that threads requesting status reports on watch progress will be deleted. This is done in order to keep the forum orderly and useful - there is nothing unethical or underhanded about it. With numerous people waiting for numerous watches, things would quickly get out of hand otherwise. 3. Updates on the LM-7 are posted regularly, about every 3-4 weeks as news happens. There has never been "months" between updates. The latest update was 3 weeks ago. Mitch has apologised for being largely absent from the forum for the past two weeks. He's had some distractions recently from what I understand. 4. Delays with the LM-7 have been excessive, no doubt. Mitch rejected the initial case design when he saw it in late Nov '07, making significant changes (which were specified on the forum). Further, but less significant, changes were made after the latest prototype was reviewed a few months ago. 5. Warranties being made non-transferrable was in response to WIS behaviour. Pre-orders were being sold at outrageous prices (e.g. $500) and to eliminate speculation and gouging Mitch had to put the non-transferrable warranty policy in place. It has nothing to do with 'avoiding repairs'. Mitch has always stood by his watches IME, even when damage was likely due to owner negligence. 6. Deposit complaints are relative IMO. $25,000 isn't much when the watch producer pays 4-5 times that up front to get his place in the queue for movements, cases, hands, dials, etc. Mitch has as much incentive to get this watch shipped as one could imagine and should be congratulated on not doing the easy thing, but instead making sure the watch is right. I would say (and have said) the same thing to Bill Yao, to whom I paid a larger deposit 12 months ago for my still uncompleted Sea Fighter. Same to Jorg Schauer, to whom I paid in full for a Stowa FO in March that will not be delivered until September. $250 for a year or $1600 for 6 months - which is more egregious? Project delays are epidemic in the bespoke/small maker world these days. They would be worse if Swatch Group had more to say about it. |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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so what is the latest update Nalu?....inquiring WIS would like to know as you seem to have info and not everyone here reads that forumwatch2.gif |
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Nalu 3T WIS
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Even though I encouraged Mitch in this project at the beginning and contributed along the way as did other members, I have no 'insider' knowledge - just the same source that everyone else has. 2nd post from the top: Nalu wrote: 3. Updates on the LM-7 are posted regularly, about every 3-4 weeks as news happens. There has never been "months" between updates. The latest update was 3 weeks ago. |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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could you please let us know what that update was 3 weekes ago as I mentioned not everyone here reads that forum and it would be helpful for both O7 and the 3T members who have preorders pending... |
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Nalu 3T WIS
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Oscar, I posted a link directly to the thread with the updates and it's gone? I've seen links to WUS here before :? I think it would be best for those who have 'invested' $250 so far to read the words directly on the O7 forum if they are truly interested. It's very time consuming for me, with my limited bandwidth here in the IZ (basically dial-up speeds), to cut and paste, opening and closing windows just to copy someone else's words. This is the chief reason I've been largely a lurker these days and not entering photo contests - sending a 400Kb file takes forever! Some posts (like my FrankenPlof post) with lots of photos can take over an hour to get done, but I don't mind doing them since it's helping folks in the community (saved the last guy $9600 when he was able to cancel the eBay transaction!). But why not just go to O7 and read the info for oneself instead? |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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TY Nalu....I went over to O7 and and saw no official Plop thread and the pre-order 1 was closed .... the other design thread was dead...there was this pic thread(link) but all info given as to any updates of a completion date are vague or non existant....btw we allow links to WUS and all forums on 3T upon approval by an admin as satetd in our rules in the OT section unfortunately they do not allow links to 3T there face4.gif http://forums.watchuseek.com/showthread.php?t=149615 |
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Eric L. 3T WIS
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Oscar, the project status is on a sticky thread on the O7 forum, just browser text search for "status" |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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I take it this is what Nalu and you are talking about?...and if it is why not just copy and paste it as I did...this is all anyone wanted to hear!:D:D LM-7 - Delivery late August/Early September movements in stock cases in production - final case back design details completed 5 link steel band in production Optional desk stand will be available after the watch is released We have had several reports that pre-orders are being offered for 2-3 times their original cost, and we have had requests to transfer pre-orders. Please note that we will not transfer pre-orders, and warranties are not transferable. If you purchase someone else's pre-order at an inflated price, you will probably be paying more than retail for the watch, and you will not have warranty coverage. Enough watches will be available to easily satisfy the initial demand. |
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Paxman 3T WIS
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oagaspar wrote:
It doesn't say which year!!  |
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Danny S 3T WIS 
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Looking like this one is getting closer! hand6.gif  |
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