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Johnny P Advisor 
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haven't open the Artic Diver, but according to Kobold site I should have a Top grade 2824 to their description the Arctic Diver "SWISS" Ref. KD 832121-C Case: stainless steel (surgical grade); sandblasted (matte) surface finish; inner case made from soft iron (cylinder, back plate, dial plate); secondary shock resistance system (SAS) dimension 45.85 mm diameter (bezel end to bezel end); 49.65 mm diameter overall (bezel end to crown end); 55.25 mm length overall (lug end to lug end); 24 mm lug width (between lugs; measures strap width); 15.25 mm height overall 154.6 g. weight (with strap attached to watch) crystal synthetic sapphire; domed, anti-reflective (inside only); extra-thick crown screw-locked; signed bezel rotating; uni-directional with count-up minute scale back stainless steel (surgical grade); screw-locked ratings* waterproof (50 atm/1,650 ft with crown locked); (3 atm/100 ft with crown unlocked); antimagnetic (80,000 a/m); shock-resistant; pressure-proof to 50 atmospheres; Movement: ETA 2824-A2; Swiss-made; winding automatic mechanism jewels 21 balance Glucydur mainspring Nivarox 1 functions hours, minutes, seconds; other 40 hours power reserve, integrated shock resistance system (INCABLOC) *all ratings in accordance with the strict regulations set forth by the German Industrial Standard Bureau, DIN What to do you think true or false???? Please post your opinion.. one week from today I will open the Artic Diver I hope it's according to their description. |
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armandsv 3T WIS
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i would be surprised if their description was not accurate. |
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Johnny P Advisor
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What is strange I posted this at the Doxa forum, it disappear within one minute  They have been espose top grade my a$$. WUS is not what they were, what you have is a bunch of kool-aid drinking suck a$$e$ The title was LET Have Some FUN I have lost total respect for these Kool_Aid drinking Jack a$$eS  Of course this is just my humble opinionyahoo.gif  |
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Johnny P Advisor
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Amazing my my post reappear at the Doxa forum |
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Edgel 3T WIS 
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I would bet that it doesn't have flared spokes on the balance wheel! |
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Hammerfjord Moderator 
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From my side, as I ever said, those price for a 2824-2 ETA inside are too high. It is my personnal opinion that for this price range, I want an inhouse. Well: Most of 2824-2 in good watches got the Incabloc. Nothing SO damn special there... Kobold got this soft iron housing: For anti-magnetism as I understand it. Seriously, I live in the Arctic: 68.5 grades North. I worked 3 winters at 70.4 grades norths and had much of -35 dg C there: When it's as cold as that, you cover yourself enough ,your watch is protected and your wrist warm it anyway: Never heard of a guy who had his mechanic watch freezing since he had it on it's wrist. I've made the experience with a Tissot T-touch in titanium puted on a steel bench outside, who took half hour to go from hand temperature to -5 dg C. So a watch is far to freez at once even it's cold outside. The anti-magnetic??? When I'm outside in the wind at -35 , I don't need it or I should hang around magnetic fields who would even be bad for my health(high tension convertors for exemple)...No polar expedition there: You're a high-tension pole worker in the arctic maybe...??? Get yourself a Rolex Millegausse if you really need a watch for that job. I tell you what: A simple good 2824-2 ETA incabloc is good on your hand even you hang outside in -50 gr C like it can be sometimes in the plains up here. You don't need a Kobold for that: A good Marathon SAR will do it as good. If your watch have to freez, it will anyway. To conclude: Yes I believe that you will find those feratures in the Kobold but you can visit the Arctic in winter with another good automatic watch without experiencing troubles... I will make soon a test actualy! I will let one of my watches: Maybe my SAR to have a night alone outside in -15 dg C and we will see what happen! Matter of weeks before I do that Last edited on Sun Jan 17th, 2010 10:09 pm by Hammerfjord |
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Johnny P Advisor
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I take it as a yes, I don't know until next Sunday Hammerfjord wrote:From my side, as I ever said, those price for a 2824-2 ETA inside are too high. It is my personnal opinion that for this price range, I want an inhouse. |
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Jeep99dad 3T WIS 
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true |
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Hammerfjord Moderator
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One should not deitise a wacth over it's performances because of it's name... |
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Paxman 3T WIS 
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Oh it's true...:D |
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DM71 3T WIS 
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I'm with Will on this, I like Kobold design and I'm sure all their watches are great timepieces but I think it's an over priced brand. I would doubt that they would survived not saying the truth about their specs. Not only it would be a shame but it would probably drastically affect their share of market and kill all the good things that the brand was built on. So I would say yes, it has to be true and have no doubt about it. Just think that even with all these specs, the asking price is way too high, just my humble opinion.:D We'll see soon i guess... |
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Nabco 3T WIS 
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I think is has to true JP, it will be interesting to find out though |
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Tony Duronio 3T WIS 
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The thing that throws me Gumba is the 21 jewel part:? were any 2824's made with 21 jewels? I thought the 2892 was the 21 jewel model and I find it hard to beleive they would remove 4 jewels??? |
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DM71 3T WIS
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Tony Duronio wrote: The thing that throws me Gumba is the 21 jewel part:? were any 2824's made with 21 jewels? I thought the 2892 was the 21 jewel model and I find it hard to beleive they would remove 4 jewels??? Well done Tony, you are absolutely right. I have never heard of that either. There is probably an explanation...but that is weird:? |
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oagaspar Site Founder 
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the 2824-A2 would be a eta model set up to take on a module like a Dubois Depraz 2020 chrono....the A2 after a movement # generally signifies this type of movement and it could have 21 jewels instead of 25j since adding a module will give it up to as many as 53j from my experience depending on the complication... many watches ended up using these movements due to the past shortage imhohand6.gif |
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Tony Duronio 3T WIS
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oagaspar wrote: the 2824-A2 would be a eta model set up to take on a module like a Dubois Depraz 2020 chrono....the A2 after a movement # generally signifies this type of movement and it could have 21 jewels instead of 25j since adding a module will give it up to as many as 53j from my experience depending on the complication... many watches ended up using these movements due to the past shortage imhohand6.gif Ahh..........and Grasshopper is educated yet agian from the Masteryourock.gif:D |
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Hammerfjord Moderator
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When I hear about 21 jewels, I think Chinese mvt... Well, they certainly f'cked up on the listing who's not very well made actualy: They just spit every datas: ...,winding automatic mechanism jewels 21 balance Glucydur mainspring Nivarox 1 functions hours,... A bit curly this description: Specialy for the guy who don't know much about mvts... Anyway, nothing special there, this is only some taping fault and we don't care... I know some who propose the same case quality and standard from the same good Fricker, with the same mvt, same features and still at around 1/3 of price. And you know them also. There is this BAD politic in the watch world lately who is standing for "Make something of good quality that stars and heros use, when it get known, make it expensive and sell the name and exclusivity in 2/3 of the price" My opinion: We ever spoke about all of that on the forum and sincerely if you paid your Kobold over 1500buks, you been made. Kobold seems to make very good quality but like others, they want a piece of the luxury market they don't deserve because they escape the inhouse on every of them models but one: If we can call it a pure inhouse. I'm sorry to be so hard but someone with a big mouth had to say it: So throw me snow-balls with stones inside if you want, my nose was allready broken 3 times, I don't give a damn:D |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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in defense of Kobold I will say that they are made to live up to the hype of those who wear them and advertise them as being able to hold up to any situation....they not only look well built and tough they are imho and I am comparing Kobold to a very large pool of brands that I own and love hand6.gif ....now would I spend the $ for a new one?...I have when they were on sale under $2000.but find them overpriced for the most part and find the secondary market the best place to purchase a Kobold because of the savings and as soon as I can find a mint Spirit of America I will snatch it up..hearteyes.gif |
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Johnny P Advisor
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oagaspar wrote:in defense of Kobold I will say that they are made to live up to the hype of those who wear them and advertise them as being able to hold up to any situation....they not only look well built and tough they are imho and I am comparing Kobold to a very large pool of brands that I own and love hand6.gif It took me 6 days to figure out what all the fuss is about a Kobold. It was't love at first site. Like the Doxas, But I'm starting to love it. I must agree with Oscar the watch is all business, the Crystal is beautiful with a nice blue antireflection coating, the bezel lines up perfect, the finish is superb, luminescent last all night,the time keeping is within COSC standard, and it's built to take any punishment. The watch is truly a tool instrument. The 21 jewel description is a typo I knew that. What bothers me is some of these watch manufactures claim certain type of grade of movement, but when you open the case back it's a different grade. I'm not referring to Kobold. I would say yes on the Kobold, but could be wrong... I have seen some pictures of the Kobold automatic movement in the past and the majority are top grade. Finally someone made a nato strap that fits my wrist, nato strap form Howard at West coast time.     |
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Hammerfjord Moderator
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Personnaly, I am not out to shoot on Kobold: As I said, quality seems to be there offcourse. The finish and adjustment case/mvt is certainly top clean but still not worth the advertising price. Now, only Kobold make those cases and YES they are lovely! But when you look at it, any good mechanic-ingenior/watch-maker guy with the right tools can make a case like that. It's a question of talent and Fricker don't got exclusivity on talent. My meaning is that you can meet all specs of Kobold: All of them even stronger, in another great watch who must sell cheaper because it don't got the "name"... A writen name is sum of calligraphic drawings who personalise an identity in a language... People like strong,cool,sweet names/synbols and sometimes, they are ready to pay for it;) |
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teddyhanna Guest
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Well Johnny a big concrats on your Kobold AD and enjoy it. I just sold a Kobold LSD 4 days ago. Also Johnnny I cannot wait until you do open it up. I think you will not be disappointed. You know sometimes simplicity is at it's best. I have owned 2 Kobolds of course I flipped them...:dude: and by no means am I claiming to be a Kobold expert. Out of all the watches I have owned I would say the Kobold Seal that I sold over a yr ago keeps hauntting me (I miss it). I will say this I did buy it used and got my money back out of it. Retail price on a Kobold I agree with you guys I will not pay. The LSD was really kewl looking and I try not to think about it, but my flipper disease kicked in. when I was trying to decide which one to buy the LSD or the AD my Family picked the AD hands down over the LSD. It's kinda of funny there are several vendors recently who have purchased different Kobold cases, or going to use them. Kobold must be doing something right with their designs. Someone had to master simplicity at it's best and to me Kobold has done that, just my jmho. It should be noted I have flipped I think over 50 watches in the last 2 yrs. |
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Hammerfjord Moderator
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Today is the day;) |
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Johnny P Advisor
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Hammerfjord wrote:Today is the day;) I'm not opening this watch until the warranty runs out, I never doubted kobold, my purpose was educate some folks to interpret all of this mumbo jumbo at WUS, it worked. Plus the majority believe it true. |
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Hammerfjord Moderator
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Johnny P wrote:Hammerfjord wrote: You are one tricky guy Johnny:D And I've made my mess in this post  |
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Nordstrom 3T WIS 
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Johnny P wrote: Hammerfjord wrote: You started a thread saying you were going to open the back of your watch in a week. Are you saying that you had no intention of opening the back of your watch? Why post the thread then? I'm a bit confused. |
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Hammerfjord Moderator
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Nordstrom wrote:Johnny P wrote:Hammerfjord wrote: As I understood and as he told, his purpose was to get people to say them opinion and also in the same way, giving a bit of common sense to some people from WUS who thought that those watches was builed like a space-ship... As I told before in this thread: One should not deitise a wacth over it's performances because of it's name... |
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redsub 3T WIS
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Nordstrom wrote: You started a thread saying you were going to open the back of your watch in a week. Are you saying that you had no intention of opening the back of your watch? Why post the thread then? I'm a bit confused. Agreed and... So were the people at WUS....If you read the post there it was clear that they both understood the watch specs and saw that there were some errors in the published specs...I would not call it an education. |
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Paxman 3T WIS
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JP, you're such a tease...;) |
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sharkfin 3T WIS 
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Like the minimalist look. It looks heavy. Is it like a tank on the wrist? Dave |
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