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KenC Admin 
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There was another thread about this that I was going to add to, but I couldn't find it. Hopefully, this will come out right, but I am beginning to lose faith in ORSA. Oscar was supposed to have had his watch, I believe, by September 21...it is now late November and it is still "nowhere to be found". I was very excited about the watch at first, but it seems every commitment made has been missed. Delivery is nowhere and the price has creeped up from the original "less than" $500 to $600..............Although I thought $600 was high for a "start-up" ETA2824-2 based Dive watch (and much higher than their previous "deliveries"), I was willing to pay the premium for delivery by Christmas. It looks like that is not going to happen and, I am seriously reconsidering the purchase of a watch from a company that cannot meet its commitments! I am certainly not willing to pay the $600 price for a watch delivered after Christmas.........3T LE or not! Am I PO'd about the broken promises? Yes!!! Understand, this is not the fault of Oscar or 3T.......this is about promises made and NOT kept by ORSA! |
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Paxman 3T WIS 
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Wow!! I didn't realize it was this bad!! I must admit to having my concerns all along... I am sad to say it appears the rap ORSA has been given by the WIS community is more true than false. Communication is key for a collabrative project and in my opinion, 3T has communicated its position clearly. The price has done nothing but rise while the targets set by 3T have disappeared. It seems a rather lopsided eal at this point and quite frankly, I have to admit Ken's comments regarding Christmas delivery are hitting home with me at this point. Expectations have been set and dropped. The iron is cold. There is no momentum except backwards... We have been playing a 1 step forward 2 steps back game for over a month now!! I would hope ORSA and/or its representatives can answer this thread with some solid information. Be honest about what and when you can deliver the goods as it appears you are either unable to meet your set objectives or are overstepping when making cimmitments to said objectives. At any rate, we're entitled to information, honest inormation. There are a lot of vendors yammering at me for my Christmas watch fund... Pax |
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KenC Admin
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Actually............my wife is the only one clammering for my Christams watch fund......something about a "front-loading" washing machine........and since ORSA is late to the party coyote2.gif, I'm thinking DOXA! |
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Paxman 3T WIS
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KenC wrote: Actually............my wife is the only one clammering for my Christmas watch fund......something about a "front-loading" washing machine........and since ORSA is late to the party coyote2.gif, I'm thinking DOXA! Sometimes i wonder if Ken is living in my head... I got the email and though Ihave my issues with DOXA I am trembling at the bit... I seriously wonder if the FESTIVUS is going o get done any time soon and in any number beyond the proto/custom dial we've seen. I've seen bits and pieces but no watch as of yet. I am disappointed to say the least and would hope our friends at ORSA would come forward sooner rather than later with realistic and attainable goals. Carribean?? Pax |
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canadajo 3T WIS 
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Pax sent me the link to the Caribbean ....:shock: CHA CHA CHA :shock: Holy crap man...is that thing a sweetie pie or what ???? I am not a Doxa fan per se ...but I like that |
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KenC Admin
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Paxman wrote:
EH!............... What is disconcerting to me at this point is all of the screwing around and promises. We almost immediately settled on a design, that ORSA decided to change without concurrence........we got continuous options that later got withdrawn....we got promises of LE then no numbering then name dials then no name dials, quantities changed..............to me, it seems like and endless Monkey Frak. For me to buy now, I want to see Oscar's watch delivered to him immediately and definitve firm commitments an dates! Otherwise, it's all Smoke & Mirrors..........hopefully, this will all get quickly resolved and I will be thrilled with the end product, but bottom line....an LE 3T watch would be great, but there are too many other watch companies out there to do business with. So, where do others stand on this??? BTW.........everybody...........please take a look at my thread down below that watch sale forum. Thanks |
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KenC Admin
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I like it too, and the yellow one they just put out! |
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daanbc 3T WIS 
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Whats going on? Are we getting the watch or not? face4.gif |
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Paxman 3T WIS
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KenC wrote: Paxman wrote: Exactly right, Ken!! I am hopeful ORSA will respond with concrete facts and not speculation as to what they can produce. Oscar is overdue his watch. I t remians to be seen what will follow and when. I would expect to know EXACTLY what to expect from the watch and when to expect it. Speaking of doing business with other watch companies... I just did and that is my Christmas watch as I am quite certain ORSA will not produce the FESTIVUS in time for Christmas as we were lead to believe. Pax |
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Paxman 3T WIS
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daanbc wrote: Whats going on? Are we getting the watch or not? face4.gif I would say the ball is in ORSA'S court at the moment. I'm not a betting man and my confidence is low... Pax |
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KenC Admin
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daanbc wrote: Whats going on? Are we getting the watch or not? face4.gif I would suppose that we will ultimately see it..............but I'll be damned if I'll pay a premium for broken dreams! |
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daanbc 3T WIS
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I don't like to kick a person when they are down, But I am with the rest of you guys. I don't have the money that this watch is going to cost. But I wanted it real bad. So I sold a couple of my watches to fund it. Now I'm out a couple of watches and no LE watch to show for it. I'm thinking of spending the money on another watch that I normally would not get because of the funds.:( |
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oagaspar Site Founder 
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I've received word from Orsa Watch that my 3T Festivus will be arriving next week with some xtra Mods that sound very Exciting!cool10.gifOur concerns have been heard and I am confident that 3T will have a very "Special LE" that we will all be Proud to own and Display!!hand6.gif Thank You to Orsa Watch for going above and beyond and to all the members here at 3T for their patience!... as soon as I receive the "Festivus" I will as always post a review with Pics! as more news comes in I will let everyone know...btw..Kent Parks is doing all the Mods and Kent is known for his impecable craftsmanship when it comes to Dials! |
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KenC Admin
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O.A. Gaspar wrote: I've received word from Orsa Watch that my 3T Festivus will be arriving next week with some xtra Mods that sound very Exciting!cool10.gifOur concerns have been heard and I am confident that 3T will have a very "Special LE" that we will all be Proud to own and Display!!hand6.gif Thank You to Orsa Watch for going above and beyond and to all the members here at 3T for their patience!... as soon as I receive the "Festivus" I will as always post a review with Pics! as more news comes in I will let everyone know...btw..Kent Parks is doing all the Mods and Kent is known for his impecable craftsmanship when it comes to Dials! Oscar..................thanks for the update, and I will, of course, take you at your word...as I always do. I only hope the people making promises to you are as scrupulous in their commitments as you are........but, again, I think the shipped price needs to be rethought! |
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Chief_Charlie Guest
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Ken, I've searched all the posts that I can find on 3T and can't seem to locate any that quote the cost of the Orsa 3T L.E. as now being "$600" as you indicate. Where did this information come from? Charlie |
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KenC Admin
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Chief_Charlie wrote: Ken, Chief............ http://timetechtalk.com/view_topic.php?id=3959&forum_id=1&highlight=600 |
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Chief_Charlie Guest
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Yep.....missed it. Thanks Ken |
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KenC Admin
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Chief_Charlie wrote: Yep.....missed it. Thanks Ken If you use the "Search" engine on this forum you can get pretty good results.....I simply entered "$600" and looked thru the posts found. |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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I would like to ask all 3T members to remain Positive as I have been in touch with James and Martin in regards to the Orsa/3T Fetivus in the past 2 days and feel very confident that everyone will be more than Pleased!hand6.gif I have not lost faith in Orsa and have been told that I can expect a surprise as to the final Design of the Orsa/3T which will be a Surprise to me as well once the Festivus arrives some time this weekcool10.gifI can say that once the Festivus arrives I can devulge what I know about some warranty changes that will be a welcomed addition! The production amount which will be a true LE of only 33!...33 in keeping with the 3T tradition!watch2.gifThe delays were unfortunate but in any production delays are sometimes uncontrolable as this Orsa/3T LE is a very special production assembled in the U.S.A and has made several stops at different companies and has traveled from Canada to several locations in the U.S.A... many should know when e-mails and phone calls are used between parties involved as well as approval ...this takes Time... and yet still completed in a Timely manner imho!...earlier Posts,Prices and Timelines made by James were done Enthusiastically and with the information that was available to him at that Time and in No way do I hold James or Martin/Orsa Watch at fault for being as excited as we were and Hopefully still are!hand6.gif The proof will be in the Orsa/3T LE "Festivus"Sea Angler as I am very excited to see the Watch in all it's Glory shortly...which at that Time I will give My Honest evaluation along with Pics and a Review as I will be seeing the "Festivus" for the first Time myself ! Please remember this is Not a regular Orsa Sea angler run which is manufactured in one location and should not be looked at in that manner from a price point nor any comparison to past Sea Anglers!...The "Festivus" is available to 3T members only and was made especially for us in a run less than any other LE that Orsa has made to date.hand6.gif Thank You all for your patience and to James and Martin of Orsa Watch as all expectations will soon be Revealed and any doubts be put to rest! |
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Paxman 3T WIS
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Oscar, I am one of the biggest proponents of the Festivus but going back through the threads, we were given very specific timelines and pricing information as to how things would proceed. Enthusiasm is wonderful but does not make up for the inability to meet expectations which were set by James' post(s). To me this is fundamentally poor customer realtions. I am not overly interested in surpises either as the surprise may or may not be to my liking. I was quite happy with the rendering provided along with the timelines stated earlier. I do not believe this will be done for Christmas, especially if the custome signatures are going to take more than a few days. Quite frankly, I have reallocated the funds needed for the Festivus to the Doxa GMT Caribbean I expect to be opening on Christmas Day. Please do not take this as my saying I am out of the mix, but I am skeptical, unenthused and frankly do not have much confidence in ORSA's promises based on what has occurred thus far. I do want to commend you and James for giving this a good go, but at this point I will believe it when I see it. Yo should have had your watch in hand at the beginning of the month and unless the thing is sporting a sapphire cyrstal and makes coffee, the delay you are experiencing is unacceptable, especially considering you made payment. I am worried this is par for the course with this vendor as rubber straps seem to be at a premium too. If you are in the business of selling a product, you should have all elements of that product avaialble before you take dollar one... empty expectations are hard to recover from and a reputation has and is developing and being reinforced by continued gaffes and excuses... After all we are cutomers and should be treated as such. Just my opinion and sorry to say I am disppointed in the extreme... Pax |
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KenC Admin
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Okay....................I will now offically change my outlook from "negative" to positive, woohoo.gif but disappointed ! The manufacturing process was their choice and all of the stars should have been in alignment before definitive timeline commitments were made  ....otherwise, the enthusiasm dies and expectations increase!Enough said.......we will sit at the foot of the master and await his photos!!!! yourock.gif |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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I understand completely Mark!...I tend to live in the Positive and believe in giving second chances rather than dwell on negativity...but in saying that there are those that know I have been used as a doormat on many occasions until my patience has been tried or my integrity assasinated! So until then as you are giving Doxa that same second chance I will remain Positive and commited to the Orsa/3T Festivus.hand6.gif |
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KenC Admin
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O.A. Gaspar wrote: I understand completely Mark!...I tend to live in the Positive and believe in giving second chances rather than dwell on negativity...but in saying that there are those that know I have been used as a doormat on many occasions until my patience has been tried or my integrity assasinated! So until then as you are giving Doxa that same second chance I will remain Positive and commited to the Orsa/3T Festivus.hand6.gif Well said!!! |
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Docrwm 3T WIS 
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Late to the party - sorry. Can someone point me to the mock-ups or whatever specs and model mods are being discussed? Thanks. |
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KenC Admin
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Case: http://www.timetechtalk.com/view_topic.php?id=4532&forum_id=2&highlight=3t+orsa Dial: - no Oscar's name is not on all of them! http://timetechtalk.com/view_topic.php?id=4460&forum_id=1 Specs: - and another look at the case with black dial. http://www.pmwf.com/cgi-bin/SalesForum/webbbs_config.cgi?read=48534 |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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The specs of the Orsa Sea Anglers are the Orsa site ...a link is provided in the sidebar of this forum Dochand6.gif |
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Docrwm 3T WIS
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Thanks Ken. Hope you all enjoy your watches.:dude: |
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Docrwm 3T WIS
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Or I could just look at your Avatar:shock: Thanks. Just interested given the chatter about it and not having been around for the Branigan ---errr Development phase;) |
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Paxman 3T WIS
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Ya' beat me it, Ken!! Here are the pix:   Let me reiterate I in no way want this to go oup in a puff of smoke and remain a supporter and anticipated owner of the Festivus. I wuld hope the most recent commitment ORSA has made to you will come to fruition. Having said that, I remain sekptical and will be more disappointed than surprised should the watch not arrive on time or executed properly. As always I trust and repect your judgement a to how this will play out. Your efforts and those of Orsa are most appreciated regardless of how far off track we may be... at least we've got a track to be on... And you are right that I am giving DOXA another whirl and hope for the best from them, too. I wish I could remain as optiistic as you, but the world has pummelled me into a cynic of the highest order... (don't feel bad for me as a side affect of the cynicism is a flair for the dramatic!!) Please let this be a wonderful FESTIVUS. all the best, Pax |
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KenC Admin
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Paxman wrote: Let me reiterate I in no way want this to go oup in a puff of smoke and remain a supporter and anticipated owner of the Festivus. I wuld hope the most recent commitment ORSA has made to you will come to fruition. Having said that, I remain sekptical and will be more disappointed than surprised should the watch not arrive on time or executed properly. As always I trust and repect your judgement a to how this will play out. Your efforts and those of Orsa are most appreciated regardless of how far off track we may be... at least we've got a track to be on... And you are right that I am giving DOXA another whirl and hope for the best from them, too. I wish I could remain as optiistic as you, but the world has pummelled me into a cynic of the highest order... (don't feel bad for me as a side affect of the cynicism is a flair for the dramatic!!) (you're not being very compassionate for a liberal........hehehe) :P |
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Paxman 3T WIS
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KenC wrote: Paxman wrote:Let me reiterate I in no way want this to go oup in a puff of smoke and remain a supporter and anticipated owner of the Festivus. I wuld hope the most recent commitment ORSA has made to you will come to fruition. Having said that, I remain sekptical and will be more disappointed than surprised should the watch not arrive on time or executed properly. As always I trust and repect your judgement a to how this will play out. Your efforts and those of Orsa are most appreciated regardless of how far off track we may be... at least we've got a track to be on... And you are right that I am giving DOXA another whirl and hope for the best from them, too. I wish I could remain as optiistic as you, but the world has pummelled me into a cynic of the highest order... (don't feel bad for me as a side affect of the cynicism is a flair for the dramatic!!) I am only so compassionate...and so liberal...you should see when I'm incompassionate...uncompassionate...you get the idea!! |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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Get Ready 3T!!! I will have a Orsa/3T LE in My Hot Hands tomorrow via fedex overnight!cool10.gifMore particulars Fridayhand6.gif |
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b2s 3T WIS 
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Please keep us posted when that New Green Dial Orsa will be available. Also, who should I contact for a purchase. When I checked purchase from the web, it only tells about method of payment. Can't wait to see your post about the forth coming Orsa on Friday. Cheers. |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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b2s wrote: Narin...this is not the green Lume Dial Orsa on their site...this is a Sea Angler made especially for 3T an LE of 33 ! You can put your name on the list through me Buddy!hand6.gif Please keep us posted when that New Green Dial Orsa will be available. Also, who should I contact for a purchase. When I checked purchase from the web, it only tells about method of payment. |
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b2s 3T WIS
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Gotcha, should I wait for the Green one?time2.gif If I put my list through you, how do we arrange the payment? |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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b2s wrote: Payment will be through Orsa Watch...they will invoice from the list I provide them withwatch2.gif...I am just compiling the list of members wanting one as it is a LE of only 33! I will have Pics tomorrow.cool10.gif The Orsa/3T LE is a Custom Mod and only available to 3T membershand6.gif Gotcha, should I wait for the Green one?time2.gif |
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b2s 3T WIS
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So I guess I confuse between the Sea Angler and the future Green Dial (if it is actually coming). O.A. Gaspar wrote: b2s wrote: |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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b2s wrote: What future green dial? So I guess I confuse between the Sea Angler and the future Green Dial (if it is actually coming). |
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b2s 3T WIS
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I guess I still am confused. I think that I am clear now about this 3T Sea Angler. hand6.gif Somehow, I believe that I read somewhere about Orsa Green dial. Please excuse my stupidity. :cool: O.A. Gaspar wrote: b2s wrote: |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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b2s wrote: Orsa does have a All Lume Dial Sea Angler available for sale on their site right nowhand6.gif The Orsa 3T Sea Angler is based on the Black Dial....I am excited to post pics as soon as it arrives and let everyone know what Kent Parks from Everestwatch along with James and Martin of Orsa Watch were able to develop for this project in keeping with the 3T green and Logo...very cool imho!cool10.gifMany new members are coming in on something that has been in progress for the last 60 days so your questions are valid and in no way stupid.....Buddy!!!:) I guess I still am confused. |
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daanbc 3T WIS
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I Want Picture's.... Please.... LOL. It's been so long, at least it seem's to be. Can't wait. |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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daanbc wrote: Pics will be up Friday as soon as it arrives Dave...the wait is over Buddy!  I Want Picture's.... Please.... LOL. It's been so long, at least it seem's to be. Can't wait. |
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canadajo 3T WIS
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time2.gifOnly a few hours away , eh ? I am anxious to see it !!!! I cant wait !!!! Please post pic asap smile8.gif |
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Paxman 3T WIS
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Can you feel it brothers and sisters?? It won't be long now... Pax |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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It was in Tennessee at 5am. est. ....so it is just hours away from Ohio!...says 3pm delivery but Fedex has always come here much earlier...hand6.gif |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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On Fedex Vehicle for Delivery 9:30am est.! |
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b2s 3T WIS
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Paxman 3T WIS
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C'mon, O!! Let's see it!! Q & D pleez... Pax |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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Paxman wrote: Still Waiting!!!!  C'mon, O!! Let's see it!! |
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LOL! I hate waiting, been waiting for UPS since yesterday they're a day late.:X O.A. Gaspar wrote: Paxman wrote: |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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Johnny P wrote: Gumba ...Fedex Overnight has always been here by 10:30 am....this is Driving me Insane!  I have never anticipated a Watch as much as this before! I won't be able to hold the Cam steady by the Time it arrives! LOL! I hate waiting, been waiting for UPS since yesterday they're a day late.:X |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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It's here!!! I am speechless!I just spoke with James and Thanked him...it was like radar...the truck just pulled out while James was ringing me on the phone!I have a brief meeting but will have Pics up ASAP if not sooner I only hope I can do the "Festivus" justice!!hand6.gif To Martin & James of Orsa Watch and Kent of Everest Watchworks....You are Genius'!!! Thank You !!! The pics will be posted on a private section of the Forum just for this Watch above Time Talk and for James/Orsa to announce news to the 3T Members hand6.gif |
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Paxman 3T WIS
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How dare you allow your real life to interfere with this WIS world?? What is this private fora? I hope I can get in and see it soon... You sound pleased and that is good enough for me. Congrats O!! You got it done and it sounds like you got it done right.!! Pax |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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Sorry for the delay but TT called and I was able to speak with his guests on tonights show from Poljot and Balmer Watch Compamies as well as Tim for over an hour...more on that soon...but get ready...here it Comes///Orsa/3T LE "Festivus" !!!hand6.gif |
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