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oagaspar Site Founder 
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This is the list of the first ten by # picked.....invoices will follow from Orsa Watch ASAP for these memberswatch2.gif #2 KenC #3 Eric Avery #4 yamahaki #5 Paxman #6 canadajo #7 daanbc #8 RandyG #10 Edgel #19 b2s |
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Paxman 3T WIS 
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SWEET!!!! Attachment: paul_hornung1.jpg (Downloaded 144 times) |
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canadajo 3T WIS 
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I CONCUR ....SWEET.... |
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Edgel 3T WIS 
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That Festivus is definately a "10" Also Troy Smith's number Last edited on Mon Dec 4th, 2006 01:36 pm by Edgel |
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daanbc 3T WIS 
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Lucky #''7'' WhooRahhh!! |
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b2s 3T WIS 
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Now I know who took my #4 :shock: Well, #19 is still very nice for my family tradition cool10.gif |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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Anyone interested in a Orsa/3TLE including anyone already invoiced please contact me via pm or e-mail by clicking on my name in my avatar before sending any $ to James Henderson. |
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canadajo 3T WIS
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Too late for me :X :X :X :X :X I already sent |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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canadajo wrote: Not to worry CJ! I am awaiting word from Martin Berger owner of Orsa watch at this time.hand6.gif Too late for me :X :X :X :X :X I already sent |
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Edgel 3T WIS
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It seems as though Martin doesan't have much interest in seeing this program go forward. Is this the end of our dream of a watch all our own?  |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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I have not heard from Martin owner of Orsa Watch as of yet...but am not sure of a Time difference in Quebec?...I would like to put a question to the members though!hand6.gif Is anyone still interested after all this BS and if so What kind of Discount will suffice to go forward as planned?watch2.gifbtw...James is No Longer involved!cat28.gif |
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daanbc 3T WIS
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For what its worth- What exactaly is on this watch. Is it going to be numbered? Is it a true L.E.? Oscar -james made things right for me, Thanks. hand6.gif |
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Paxman 3T WIS
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O-- This is all very diappointing and more so for you since you worked so hard to get it done. It is unfortunate James Henderson turned out to be a total POS. I would love to dull a scalpel on him. He is a BS artist and Orsa cannot be benefitting from having such a dishonest simpleton on the payroll. Having said that, I believe the only way for the Festivus to go forward is with assurance from Berg that all will be made right. This should include all spec promised... custom dials , lume, hands and engraved casebacks denoting the LE status. If we want 3T Orsas we can pony up $435 and send them to Everest to have 3T applied and Orsa be damned. As it sits now, I believe Berg has some culpability as Henderson was his representative and Berg should either know what his folks are into or have a person of higher character representing Orsa. At this point I have very little faith in Orsa keeping any committments. Where is round two of the Silver Surfer? When are lume dials shipping? All in all, a sh*tty way to run a so called business... What else would make it right... a discount indeed... huge as a matter of fact to get the watch in line with what they are asking for the Swiss mades. How about the "goodies" we were told existed... probably a pipe dream. Let me say unless Orsa makes amends I will wage a smear campaign until they can't give a watch away. As much as I love my Orangina, I am ready to wipe my butt with it and send it off to Orsa saying, You sh*t on 3T, I sh*t on you!" You can see I am clearly angry over this. Again, I want to thank Oscar for making the effort and taking his time to try and make this happen. Orsa sucks dong in my mind and unless Berg steps up pretty damn quick with a reasonable proposal I feel 3T should have nothing to do with such a business. Hopefully Berg is a man of character and this was all a mistake by his droog. I must allow my blood pressure to subside... Pax |
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Paxman 3T WIS
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daanbc wrote: For what its worth- What exactaly is on this watch. Is it going to be numbered? Is it a true L.E.? Oscar -james made things right for me, Thanks. hand6.gif I hope that's true as I don't think James is capable of making things right. I feel especially bad for you as I know this watch meant a lot to you. If I were you I would sever all ties with Henderson, return the Festivus and get yourself a piece backed up with a history of quality and dedication to its customers... JMHO!! Pax |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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Berg wrote: I have been all day long? Not any from you Martin!!! please check your emails oscar ! |
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daanbc 3T WIS
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Pax, I agree 100%. If you only new what I been through today! If you asked me on monday what I thought about ORSA I would have rave reviews. But after today? I have been waiting since sept. like all the rest. And then to have the rug pulled out from me. And to even have Oscar believing I was wrong. To say the least I was very upset. I hope no-one asks me about ORSA anymore at work. AS for now- I have nothing good to say, so I will keep my tounge in check. Dave. |
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Paxman 3T WIS
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Hey Dave-- Let it all out baby!! I am certain you got reamed as well as Oscar and I would love to know more... as would the rest of our membership I bet. I spoke with Oscar and CJ today and I'll tel you ther is no joy in Mudville... Orsa can recover but only with a lion's effort. I hope James didn't take you for too much of a ride... My post was cathartic and should keep me from killing my family for another day... (Did I actually type that or just think it??) |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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Martin Berger owner of Orsa Watch has just informed me he was not Happy how we/I treated James so he is Pulling the Project!!! I suggest cancelling all Orsa Orders and Let all WIS know what kind of thieves Orsa Watch is especiallyJames ...the Nerve...We mistreated a James....You have to be Kidding!!!!!! |
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daanbc 3T WIS
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I sold several of my watches for this one watch, Now what?! Ya just have to laugh. It beats cryin. |
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daanbc 3T WIS
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Oscar -Let everyone know what transpired today between us and James. Im sure they'ed like to know. How can ORSA say such a thing? |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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daanbc wrote: Martin has already closed down his e-mail address.....like a true Frenchman!!!:P:P:P:P I suggest going to their site and giving Him hell there!hand6.gif Oscar -Let everyone know what transpired today between us and James. Im sure they'ed like to know. How can ORSA say such a thing? |
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daanbc 3T WIS
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Ok folks, I have sold most of my watches, as you all know now. And I have $600.00 to play with. I love diver watche's, What would you folks suggest? I need to move on. |
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Paxman 3T WIS
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Oh, it's on!! Oscar I suggest a formal statement from you to be posted on 3T. Others of us can spread the word to other forums... I would provide as much detail as you feel comfortable with... Very disappointed to her Berg has been put under the spell ofthe king of BS. I only hope my comments helped... I don't even know if I want to hold on to my Orangina. Opening salvo... her my battle cry!! Orsa sux and rival Invicta in the CS department... I am aghast... Pax |
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Edgel 3T WIS
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I figure James just saved me from spending $630 on a watch I didn't need! There are plenty more fish in that sea that the "Sea Angler" missed! coyote2.gif |
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Paxman 3T WIS
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Edgel wrote: I figure James just saved me from spending $630 on a watch I didn't need! There are plenty more fish in that sea that the "Sea Angler" missed! coyote2.gif Hear, hear!! So it begins... I see Berg is no longer a member here... IT IS ON!! |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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Paxman wrote: I believe we were the last forum that even believed in Orsa anymore as they are receiving cancellations on the Silver Angler as only 20 have been delivered so far and the Lume Dial has been marked down due to non interest! I wonder why!  If they treated us like this imagine if your not a supportercoyote2.gif I'm telling You Ol' Jim Skelton Henderson lived up to his name! Oh, it's on!! |
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KenC Admin 
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O.A. Gaspar wrote: I have not heard from Martin owner of Orsa Watch as of yet...but am not sure of a Time difference in Quebec?...I would like to put a question to the members though!hand6.gif Is anyone still interested after all this BS and if so What kind of Discount will suffice to go forward as planned?watch2.gifbtw...James is No Longer involved!cat28.gif Oscar.........per your question..........check your PM! |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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KenC wrote: Ken read the posts we are way beyond any reckoning!!! Martin is now refusing to refund my Money I paid for the all Lume Sea Angler!!coyote2.gif O.A. Gaspar wrote:I have not heard from Martin owner of Orsa Watch as of yet...but am not sure of a Time difference in Quebec?...I would like to put a question to the members though!hand6.gif Is anyone still interested after all this BS and if so What kind of Discount will suffice to go forward as planned?watch2.gifbtw...James is No Longer involved!cat28.gif |
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Paxman 3T WIS
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The banner has got to go or be modified... They are no longer worthy of a spot on the 3T home... Were they ever? I'm glad it is clear who we have been dealing with... |
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yamahaki Guest
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The game is on! I'll keep my old ones but nothing new from them. I'm sure they have a list of our email addresses so buying from them now wouldn't work. This crap happened fast. I had pm'd oscar about the invoice yesterday and everything was fine...... |
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b2s 3T WIS
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Kinda sad seeing what had happend. Sorry, Oscar, for all the time you spent with the project. Hopefully there is something that can done for you with your Orsa 3T ordeal. |
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canadajo 3T WIS
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I read long ago that Orsa was a company "in the authors opinion" had questionable at best customer service ...... I also read that Orsa was fiscally unsound ...I feel that they have made a big mistake in the marketing department by upseting their customer base , namely the watch buyers like ourselves ....They have made promises that they cant keep .....If this 3T watch was presented properly and for the right price at the right time , it would have snowballed into something big ....Now they have a public relations nightmare on their hands, and it is thier fault entirely ....Imagine the watches that could've sold for them ( not that they could have delivered anyway ) Now I will look for something else to buy |
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Paxman 3T WIS
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I offer to you my humble avatar for use. No offense to O and his picture but this cannot be POW!! Please distribute freely. Attachment: Orsa-3t -MOD.jpg (Downloaded 67 times) Last edited on Tue Dec 5th, 2006 09:52 pm by Paxman |
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canadajo 3T WIS
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I emplore everyone to vote for picture #1 for the pic of week.... I cannot bear to look at the Orsa every day this week..... It hurts !!!!!!!!!!!! |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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canadajo wrote: Well said CJ...unfortunately a Fool running a business was conned by a bigger fool who thought he knew business! Now they have No Business!James is a well documented liar on this forum and well Martin is French!  I read long ago that Orsa was a company "in the authors opinion" had questionable at best customer service ...... I also read that Orsa was fiscally unsound ...I feel that they have made a big mistake in the marketing department by upseting their customer base , namely the watch buyers like ourselves ....They have made promises that they cant keep .....If this 3T watch was presented properly and for the right price at the right time , it would have snowballed into something big ....Now they have a public relations nightmare on their hands, and it is thier fault entirely ....Imagine the watches that could've sold for them ( not that they could have delivered anyway ) Now I will look for something else to buy |
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b2s 3T WIS
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Hey let's watch Victoria Secret Fashion show on CBS for a break. W/ HD, it is awesome :cool: |
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KenC Admin
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As I sit here, I reflect on my post of a little over one week ago: "I am concerned about ORSA! There was another thread about this that I was going to add to, but I couldn't find it. Hopefully, this will come out right, but I am beginning to lose faith in ORSA. Oscar was supposed to have had his watch, I believe, by September 21...it is now late November and it is still "nowhere to be found". I was very excited about the watch at first, but it seems every commitment made has been missed. Delivery is nowhere and the price has creeped up from the original "less than" $500 to $600..............Although I thought $600 was high for a "start-up" ETA2824-2 based Dive watch (and much higher than their previous "deliveries"), I was willing to pay the premium for delivery by Christmas. It looks like that is not going to happen and, I am seriously reconsidering the purchase of a watch from a company that cannot meet its commitments! I am certainly not willing to pay the $600 price for a watch delivered after Christmas.........3T LE or not! Am I PO'd about the broken promises? Yes!!! Understand, this is not the fault of Oscar or 3T.......this is about promises made and NOT kept by ORSA!" I now know, I had good reason to be concerned. You cannot have a pattern of "mis-statement, missed commitments and false promises" without the perpetrator being a complete fraud. Not knowing Berg, I thought it was james that was full of S**t. After I made the above post, he contacted me to pm him about my concerns. I did, and I got nothing but a bunch of lies in return. Every lie he told, I spit back in his face with quotes from his own postings......I continued to support the project because I thought that at least we would get a nice watch, overpriced as it was (and a $30 in CONUS S&H fee is rediculous), that was a little different than what anybody else had. Bottom line, it was obviously a piece of crap. Well, now we find out what kind of joker Martin Berg is....As much as the lying sack of S**t that Hendersen was, Berg still owns the company and therefore, he and his company are responsible for hiring James and the ensuing bungling. So, obviously Berg is a POS, also! Let them eat their frackin" watches. I just visited their site (BTW, let get rid of the link!) and the have reduced the price of BOTH the Silver and the Lume dial to $435...........they'll probably have an SNBC clearance soon  !And those of us who post on other forums, when the name ORSA is mentioned........BLAST THEM! Other than that, I'm having a pretty good day! |
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Gregger 3T WIS 
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since I'm not involved with this project all I can say is that I feel for you guys. Nothing like taking advantage of a persons love/hobby. I got PM'd by James a number of times referring to a few of my watches needless to say the PM's were hard to understand and didn't make much sense...... |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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To all of the member s here at 3T I would like to apologize as to the turn of events in regards to the Orsa/3T LE! I feel that we did find out in the knick of time what Orsa Watch is all about and the bottom line was not in our favor.I became worried with the quality of the Watches after finding out that some of the dials were badly blemished includinig mine due to mistakes at the logo stampers who made many mistakes due to mis communication between them and James!.I was offered another but only after refusing to have mine repaired...I want no one to hold Kent responsible as he was not the stamper and went above and beyond to try and complete what seemed impossible under the pressure of James from Orsa his work on the Watch was truly Amazing!! I found out that there were several of these reworked dials and had asked none be used for any of our members and received no guarantees from James! I had agreed to two invoices one for down payment and another for final payment which is customary but was only aware once invoices went out that two paypal addys were being used...one being James in which I advised that this would raise suspicion and my request was ignored.I do not believe that Martin knew what James was doing as most of my e-mails were being ignored by Martin and only James was in contact with me which I became very uncomfortable with as James only did what James wanted to do ....even after many repeated requests to not do so! It became apparent after the threat of the project being cancelled by us that James had only one intention and that was to make some quick cash! It is and my firm belief that James has No Watch experience and stumbled through this project refusing any rational advise from me.I lso believe he rushed the project in fear of losing it at the end and had not one care as to the members of this forum including myself! Orders were to be done through me and by # at which once again a nervous little fellow(James) decided to jump the gun as he could not wait for the list from me and contacted daanbc in which James took his money in full and later told me daanbc couldn't wait so he went ahead as to make him happy...another lie as daanbc provided me with the e-mails from James asking for the payment in full since his was going to have a sig.I can say I was very unhappy with James and said we would no longer deal with him at all and e-mailed Martin with my concerns...I heard nothing all day from him and finally said the only way this project would go forward was with a 10% discount if not better...especially seeing that Silver Anglers reappeared because of canceled orders due to slow shipping and lack of straps and poor CS/QC and the Lume Dial being lowered to $435 due to No Sales! I believe Orsa Watch is in dire straits for cash we were that cash cow! I alpogize to my friends here at 3T and hope we can move past this less than happy experience as I have learned much about the amount of Trust I put in people! Again My Deepest Apologies to my 3T Friends! Oscar 3T site owner |
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Tony Duronio 3T WIS 
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Oscar, Like I mentioned in my e-mail to you. You have nothing to be sorry for or embarrassed about. Business deals through a computer screen make it difficult to judge a persons character. Nothing like looking a fool in the eye and seeing what thay really are all about:) |
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Gregger 3T WIS
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Tony Duronio wrote: Oscar, Oh how true Tony.........as I said I feel for you guys:( |
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KenC Admin
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Oscar, There is absolutely no need for and apology from anyone except the buffoons at ORSA. We all understand what went on.....the management of ORSA (both James and Martin) turned out to be unscrupulous, unethical business people looking to make a big score on people they mistakenly thought were unsuspecting.....It was their mistake, not yours or ours. Their mistakes (not to mention their rediculous price increases) with the Siver Anglar cost them sales with the Lume Anglar. It appears they tried to make it up with an outrageously priced3T model that, after losing it's LE status, became worth no more than others. Additionally, they tried to "con" us with inferior quality control, not to mention the lies, missed commitmemnts and lack of adherence to the original plan and design. Alas, we have found a new defintion of the term "dirtbags", and we have been able to identify to the market, the new low volume Invicta!!! Let me specifically point out that Kent Parks is a quality entrepreneur, outstanding watch maker and a totally ethical, beyond reproach member of the watch community. In no way does this fiasco reflect on his character or skills! |
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canadajo 3T WIS
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I agree with Tony .... With your business experience you saw some cracks in what James and Orsa was trying to do .... You worked hard to put this deal together and you got the runaround .... I believe James knows little about business and less about watches .... If you look at Orsa's situation right now , they look to be hurting as they are fighting delays and product quality issues |
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Paxman 3T WIS
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Oscar- No need for you to apologize for anything. I feel terrible for all the effort you put forth trying to get this project completed. Your efforts are most appeciated. You know we are behind you 100% whatever the outcome. Orsa will continue its downhill descent which we now know is well deserved. 3T brothers till the end. |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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Thank You all for your undying support! it is Great Appreciated!!!hand6.gif |
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sleddog218 3T WIS
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Sorry to hear about all your problem, this really sucks! What a wonderful idea it was, and I know there was a lot of anticipation for what would've been a great project. Let's hope these dirtbags go out of business soon, as more people see what idiots they really are! David |
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daanbc 3T WIS
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Oscar, Thank you for making things right. What I mean is that you helped me in the refunds of my money. For that I am greatfull. I am only out $11.07. That is nothing compares to the $630.00 I will take this as a learning exp. Also thank you for showing the light to the others that I in no-way tried to get My watch ahead of time. Like I said before He asked for all my info, stating he could not get in touch with you. I am so glad that I had most of those e-mails to show as proof. If not, I would hope you would take my word. I may not post alot, or know alot about watches. But I do read most of the articles. And love the watches I have remaining. Yes I am down to three watches, well four if you include my very first one I recieved (hotwheels watch) I look forward in getting others with the guidance of this board. Daanbc. |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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daanbc wrote: Dave...I never doubted You Buddy!....James can lie like only one other person and feel no remorse at all.....and actually believe himself regardless of Proof :( I have 50 e-mails and never missed a call or voice mail from James..as a matter of fact He and Martin ignored many of mine and especially any of my advice as how the Sale of the Watch should be handled especially the price after seeing how they lowered their Prices on everything else!...Like I said...I truly believe we were their way out of debt and once 3T began to grumble over the broken promises and deadlines... James rushed out a Watch in order to try and Cash in as fast as possible!... LE engraving certificate....sigs for the first 15 if Paid in Full...payment Plan but You don't get the Watch until it is Fully Paid...all of a sudden a Transferrrable warranty....15 ready and shiped in time for X-Mas ...this is what was being told me by James and written here as well !.... everything a con would say to make the sale...just what we wanted to hear!....imagine what He heard from me!:X Martin only stepped in the very last couple Days when He saw what was Happening and yet James was still able to con Him into giving him full support....that's what really Sucked!...I Hope Martin is Happy now because instead of having a Forum Full of Free advertisement if he had just finished the Project on his own and agreed to my offer of 10% off for all ...He now has thousands of WIS who visit this Forum daily thinking Twice before buying an Orsa Watch!!watch2.gif Oscar, Thank you for making things right. What I mean is that you helped me in the refunds of my money. For that I am greatfull. I am only out $11.07. That is nothing compares to the $630.00 I will take this as a learning exp. Also thank you for showing the light to the others that I in no-way tried to get My watch ahead of time. Like I said before He asked for all my info, stating he could not get in touch with you. I am so glad that I had most of those e-mails to show as proof. If not, I would hope you would take my word. I may not post alot, or know alot about watches. But I do read most of the articles. And love the watches I have remaining. Yes I am down to three watches, well four if you include my very first one I recieved (hotwheels watch) I look forward in getting others with the guidance of this board. Daanbc. |
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Paxman 3T WIS
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And in retrospect it is somewhat amusing, particlarly Orsa's inability to follow through on not only this project, but also the delivery of the complete Silver Surfer. Their amateurish business practices have served them for some three years now but I don't believe they are going much further. I do think the 3T Festivus fiasco may be the last gasp of an insolvent and soon to be no more company. It is sad to think that if the project had been managed by someone with a modicum of project management experience, Orsa could have turned out a beautiful watch and had a plethora of advertisers. We tend to photograph and talk about our watches and had the project not been a farce due to the inexperience and unscrupulousness of Orsa's representative the 3T Festivus could have been the beginning of Orsa's collaboration with any number of forums seeking a custom diver. this may have saved the company. I remeber CJ posing on WUS that he had read Orsa had some question marks... he was labelled a rumor monger... perhaps he was just a visonary or a man who does his homework. I was fairly vocal about my concerns early on in the project but I was playing devil's advocate and looking at it from the perspective that we might be dealing with cash hungry swine, prepared to say anything to get a few ducats into their pockets. I am sad it panned out this way. Well now Orsa is leterlally taking a hit. Someone is out at least $6300 for 10 watches and who knows how many more would have sold. I can only hope JS Henderson is holding the bag and that he owes someone for componnents. May be he wants to buy one of my Midos...NOT!!! This has been a great learning expereience for al involved. I want to continually reiterate no fault lies with our own Oscar or Kent Parks who was used by JS Henderson. I know Oscar has put great effort into the porject and I am certain Kent attempted to make a purse outr of a pig's ear. These gentlemen surely deserve much respect and thanks and I again give both... I have made it a priority to let other WIS know of Orsa's lack of ethics and honor and will continue to do so. I am pained by the fact i love my Sea angler while now hating it as well... 3T Brothas Forever!! Pax |
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canadajo 3T WIS
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HERE HERE !!! WELL SAID !!! And as for Danbc you dont have a thing to worry about here ... you are among friends :D 3T brotha |
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e.avery 3T WIS 
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I wish I could have said I read all of the posts, but a wise person once told me that if it is over a few inches long it is not about watches and leave it alone, keeps me from fucking up little bitch boys over at WUS or any of those other little smart ass punks that think they know how to play the fucking game. Enough of that, did everyone here know that James is a guidance counselor, that is funny. To James and Martin I would stay away from the Euro circuit. We have all we need to know, of you and your company. No one is that slow to not know that every piece of info would have been gathered from the order and applications of credit. Everyone in the business knows these things, that is why people that do not measure up have to run to China, I would suggest you go there. The watch industry and International Banking are one in the same boys, I would tread lightly. God, it feels good to be me this one time, I may just try this more often. |
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Paxman 3T WIS
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e.avery wrote:
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oagaspar Site Founder
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It's a shame that Orsa and James wouldn't budge a bit on Price or shipping after all the Delays and anquish we were put through! I am still in denial that these guys would not bend an inch or even stick to the original plan from day one!..it really was a sweet Watch hand6.gif...but then when you get a basket of promises it's usually empty! cat28.gifWell said Pax...and Eric...Give em' Hell anytime you like!!! Dave(daanbc) actually helped break the discrepancy that proved James true intentions were not honorable...Great Job Dave!hand6.gif |
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