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Tony Duronio 3T WIS 
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at Orsa come to think of it...a lot of dials and hands tooface4.gifhttp://www.pmwf.com/cgi-bin/Forum/webbbs_config.cgi?noframes;read=1133877 |
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Paxman 3T WIS 
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WTF?? I hate to admit it, but I like that... |
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oagaspar Site Founder 
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It would make a Sweet Orsa/3T LE... |
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daanbc 3T WIS 
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I really don't see any creativity there? So far all his watches are the SAME, just different paint jobs. Anybody can do this. I know the style of the watch is nice, But a little difference would be acceptable. Maybe a different bezel, new location of date? Or winder? What do ya think? Am I crazy? Every watch has the name Orsa in the same place too. Just my thoughts. Happy and Healthy New Year to everybody!! |
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Paxman 3T WIS
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KenC wrote: PAX....................no, no, no, no, no! THAT is simply Over-the-Top!!! Exactly... almost obscene... It oozes and drips... Too bad... |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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This particualr Sea Angler is a one off built for Martrin/Orsa and a personal wearer!,,,I like it and would love to see the beacon of light off that bezelcool10.gif!!! I have had several favorable e-mails with Berg in which I have found out he is running Orsa by himself once again and is genuinely a good guy and knowledgeable WIS who made some mistakes while taking time from his watch biz to build a home and work his regular job...in the interim he made some mistakes by handing over the controls to a less knowledgeable WIS as far as I am concerned and Berg is now ready to work Orsa Watch the way it should be...and this came from what he learned herehand6.gif I give credit to Berg for recognizing the problems and we may be ready to continue a renewed WIS relationship which I look forward to!hand6.gif I can not discredit the Sea Angler series as I have 4 now and wear them often without hesitatation...they look and run Awesome!watch2.gifI hope we can bury the hatchett with Orsa and give Berg a second chance as his 1st was not really his but James....Berg will soon make a statement of his own although his English is not so good he is upfront and comes across much different than who we were dealing with for months!...I'm all for forgive and forget and believe Berg will show us how he feels with a nice surprise for 3T...it's the New Year so let's start it off right!cool10.gif |
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KenC Admin
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Always willing to give a man a second chance (James already had second chance - 3rd and 4th for that matter). From our conversations, I truly believe that Berg may have been hoodwinked by Hendersen "The Gouger", who I have come to think of as a "1st cousin" to Corona Gorda (aka OompaLupah, Tom Braider, Jim Skelton, et al), the snake oil salesman / con artist of all time. I am perfectly willing to hear what Berg has to say with a totally open mind....and if the words (and the circumstances) are right, I am also totally willing to forgive and forget. But, I would insist, the James Hendersen, be absolutely out of the picture....not simply lurking somewhere in the background. The Orsa Sea Anglar is a gorgeous watch....I cannot speak to its quality, as I have thus far been denied the chance to own one....but I would certainly look forward to finding out.........although I am no longer in the mood to pay a lot for one! So, bottom line...I know there has been a lot of anger over what happened and a lot of "pissoffedness" statements......but, if Oscar (who took the brunt of all of this BS) is willing to take a second look, then I would encourage the rest of us to let it play out with an open mind and listen to what Berg has to say! jmho |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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daanbc wrote: I can't agree Dave as most Watches are similar and that's what makes them differ....Rolex has it's name in the same place for more years than I can rememberface4.gif The Sea Angler is just one model of many in the Orsa line and it's unique characteristics is what defines the model... if you change the bezel or case design it is no longer a Sea Angler...perhaps a colored bezel once in a while but the Dial changes keep it ever changing imhohand6.gif Remember each Sea Angler is a LE of 50....that is what makes it desirable to me besides the way it looks and wears!cool10.gifjust my 2 pennies! I really don't see any creativity there? So far all his watches are the SAME, just different paint jobs. Anybody can do this. I know the style of the watch is nice, But a little difference would be acceptable. Maybe a different bezel, new location of date? Or winder? What do ya think? Am I crazy? Every watch has the name Orsa in the same place too. Just my thoughts. Happy and Healthy New Year to everybody!! |
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Tony Duronio 3T WIS
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O.A. Gaspar wrote: This particualr Sea Angler is a one off built for Martrin/Orsa and a personal wearer!,,,I like it and would love to see the beacon of light off that bezelcool10.gif!!! I have had several favorable e-mails with Berg in which I have found out he is running Orsa by himself once again and is genuinely a good guy and knowledgeable WIS who made some mistakes while taking time from his watch biz to build a home and work his regular job...in the interim he made some mistakes by handing over the controls to a less knowledgeable WIS as far as I am concerned and Berg is now ready to work Orsa Watch the way it should be...and this came from what he learned herehand6.gif I give credit to Berg for recognizing the problems and we may be ready to continue a renewed WIS relationship which I look forward to!hand6.gif I can not discredit the Sea Angler series as I have 4 now and wear them often without hesitatation...they look and run Awesome!watch2.gifI hope we can bury the hatchett with Orsa and give Berg a second chance as his 1st was not really his but James....Berg will soon make a statement of his own although his English is not so good he is upfront and comes across much different than who we were dealing with for months!...I'm all for forgive and forget and believe Berg will show us how he feels with a nice surprise for 3T...it's the New Year so let's start it off right!cool10.gif Albiet Oscar, I have poked some fun...I think you are correct in your assumption. Martin seems to be a decent guy. |
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Paxman 3T WIS
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I've vented to no end and done it mainly as a lark and coping mechanism to deal with the disappointment surrounding the Festivus. However, I will need to remind Oscar Berg JUST posted on another forum the 3T project ended because of the site owner. I would also remind you he made VERY degrading comments as to your mental state which verged on libel. Having said that, you are a VERY kind man with a big heart and if you can find a way to forgive all the garbage which transpired, I will TRY and do so too. I am not as kind or big hearted as you and am fully prepared to drive Orsa into the ground though they seem to have been doing a pretty good job of it themselves. A statement from Berg would go a long way. I understand his English is not the greatest but it sure beats my second language...NONE!! We can hold Mr. Henderson only so responsible; it was and is Berg's responsibility to monitor the conduct of those who represent his business entity. As for Henderson, I am certain the world will have it's way with him. I believe Orsa is still having trouble meeting its commitments. It hasn't been too directly mentioned, but I feel another 3T Orsa possibly coming up. For this to happen we need a unique and high quality piece offerred at a gift like discount. Oscar, we cannot allow ourselves to be a cash cow to right Orsa. I will refrain from dogging Orsa for the time being. I will add I have great reservations and do not share Oscar's positive outlook. I do this against my instincts, which unfortunately are attuned to see a less than stellar outcome... again. I am sorry, but I have looked for the good in human beings and too often seen the worst we have to offer. Having said that, I respect and have great affection for O and hope he is right to allow Berg another shot. I do not want O to take the brunt of another fiasco especially after all the effort put forth. If you haven't received it already, O, I believe you are owed an apology and public retraction of the post pointing at you as the reason for the failure of the 3T project. May be I should have had a cup of joe... PEACE Y'ALL |
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KenC Admin
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PAX, I agree, and to me, part of Berg's statement must be a public apology both here and on PMWF for his comments. I also agree on you comments as to pricing of a 3T Orsa, if that is what is in the offing. As to Berg's responsibility for Hendersen, you are absolutely right, but, he obviously made a bad judgement call as to his character....but then, I can remeber when I vehemently defended that scum-like watchshow host, JS, and Ernie made him a WUS moderator (lapses in judgement for, on my part, at least, I hope I am forgiven). My point is only, let's hear Mr Berg out with an open mind and try to digest the information logically instead of emotionally and then, each come to our own conclusion based on fact rather than anger.............I, for one, am as angry as anyone. I was truly looking forward to the Festivus, even though I knew I was getting gouged on it. (Even $30 for S&H on a $12 package was indefensible.......and to think, that an individual of Hendersen's moral character is a high school guidance counselor!  ) BTW.........I know you are so PO'd as to want to send me your Orange Sea Anglar, gratus....I will reluctantly accept it!!!  |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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Tony...you are right about Berg...he is a good guy!hand6.gif...and did anyone else read my post?...I stated favorable e-mails have transpired between Martin and me as well as apologies between the two of us for words said whether on open forum or in private and have been accepted :) If anyone insulted the integrity of 3T it was not Berg as he was as confident in his U.S counterpart as we were at one Time...did Martin have a lapse in judgement due to the stresses of building a new home for the Holidays or running a Watch Company on top of a full time job...and being Married!:P...Yes and has taken responsibility by trying to make amends... but if no one here is willing to hear him out then let's just say so and Martin can continue to post on PMWF...the forum where he started out at as a WIS 1st years ago and then as Orsa Watchwatch2.gifI have never held Martin responsible for what happened to the project only for his final decision to stand by James and not letting us know upfront that this was James project ...who fed me with false info throughout and I can only imagine what he fed to Martin I have learned much from this experience and had a chance to meet and talk with Kent Parks in the process who is a humble WIS and Good Guy and doing the mods on all the Orsa Sea Anglers now which I am glad to now know and Martin and myself have buried the hatchett...as for those who disagree that is fine as I am not asking anyone to change their opinions based on mine:)...but I am moving on towards a New Year and new found friendship with Martin and Orsa |
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Paxman 3T WIS
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Wow... I think I need a reboot!! Last edited on Mon Jan 1st, 2007 11:35 am by Paxman |
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Paxman 3T WIS
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KenC wrote: PAX, I agree, and to me, part of Berg's statement must be a public apology both here and on PMWF for his comments. I also agree on you comments as to pricing of a 3T Orsa, if that is what is in the offing. KC... hey don't feel bad about JS. You're not the only one to be fooled by the cretin... in fact I believe there is a forum which still bows down to him despite in questionable character and associations. I am keeping an open mind, but as a person who does allow intuiton and emotion to influence decisons, I defer to the less emotinal and Spock like amongst us to follow the logic thread. My intuition still tells me to be wary, but I will not lob anything at Orsa unless given good reason. By all rights there are a good number of us who should be wearing a Festivus now and would be were it not for Henderson's dalliances with reality. I am appalled this piece of dung is allowed to "counsel" young minds. and we wonder what's wrong with our country... As for my Orangina... nice try but IXNAY HOMBRE!! |
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Paxman 3T WIS
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O.A. Gaspar wrote: Tony...you are right about Berg...he is a good guy!hand6.gif...and did anyone else read my post?...I stated favorable e-mails have transpired between Martin and me as well as apologies between the two of us for words said whether on open forum or in private and have been accepted :) If anyone insulted the integrity of 3T it was not Berg as he was as confident in his U.S counterpart as we were at one Time...did Martin have a lapse in judgement due to the stresses of building a new home for the Holidays or running a Watch Company on top of a full time job...and being Married!:P...Yes and has taken responsibility by trying to make amends... but if no one here is willing to hear him out then let's just say so and Martin can continue to post on PMWF...the forum where he started out at as a WIS 1st years ago and then as Orsa Watchwatch2.gifI have never held Martin responsible for what happened to the project only for his final decision to stand by James and not letting us know upfront that this was James project ...who fed me with false info throughout and I can only imagine what he fed to Martin And I have read the post and am not trying to rain on your parade... BUT... The man did call you nuts, in a public forum. This was a VERY short time ago... With the amount of respect and man love I have for you, Oscar, this cannot be allowed to be out there without public acknowledgement and apology. You may be satisfied with Berg's private apology but you are owed more... that's not emotion...that's principle!! I am not going to attack or undermine Berg, and I welcome him here and look forward to his statement. There is no reason we can't all be chums!! You are right... it is a new year and we will let bygones be bygones. Please don't misinterpret my staunch stand for an apology as an act of hostility. as I stated before I believe you are owed this although your kind nature doesn't feel it is needed. I am damn certain there are others here that feel the same way... I LOVE YOU MAN!! |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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Paxman wrote: What we need is some of Yamahakis meds or even better....Nurse Sommers!!!! Wow... I think I need a reboot!! Attachment: oktoberfest-girl.jpg (Downloaded 54 times) |
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Paxman 3T WIS
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O.A. Gaspar wrote: Paxman wrote:I will go straight to the crack and forego the meds and brew. Badger Time!! Hey!! You can't find this anymore offensive than some of the other things we've seen here...  Attachment: gbc.JPG (Downloaded 46 times) Last edited on Mon Jan 1st, 2007 06:44 pm by Paxman |
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KenC Admin
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Paxman wrote: O.A. Gaspar wrote:Tony...you are right about Berg...he is a good guy!hand6.gif...and did anyone else read my post?...I stated favorable e-mails have transpired between Martin and me as well as apologies between the two of us for words said whether on open forum or in private and have been accepted :) If anyone insulted the integrity of 3T it was not Berg as he was as confident in his U.S counterpart as we were at one Time...did Martin have a lapse in judgement due to the stresses of building a new home for the Holidays or running a Watch Company on top of a full time job...and being Married!:P...Yes and has taken responsibility by trying to make amends... but if no one here is willing to hear him out then let's just say so and Martin can continue to post on PMWF...the forum where he started out at as a WIS 1st years ago and then as Orsa Watchwatch2.gifI have never held Martin responsible for what happened to the project only for his final decision to stand by James and not letting us know upfront that this was James project ...who fed me with false info throughout and I can only imagine what he fed to Martin I think there were some apologies that went back and forth................if the Big O is satisfied, then that should be good enough for us! |
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daanbc 3T WIS
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In my line of work there are always second third and fourth chances. But and this is a big But- I ALWAYS have to go with my instinct. Its what keeps me safe and able to come home to my family. With that said, I just don't like the way Orsa does buss. I agree with Pax all the way. I will respect Oscars wishes, and If he is fine with the man thats between them, But I have already been stiffed by Orsa once, weather Martin knew or not it is his buss. I would not run a buss, like that. Why did he not try to do right after he found out about james? Lets see what he does next. |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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daanbc wrote: And with all said Dave...you still bought a Silver Sea Angler:D...I think comparing criminals in jail to the 3T incident is apples to oranges:P I use my insticnt daily and knew from day 1 that I was dealing with a non-WIS on the 3T/Orsa Sea Angler and expressed this to many members and Martin but gave the benefit of the doubt....did I/We find out too late?...I think we found out in the knick of Time and although it was Martins company he had full faith in a person he believed and allowed use the term Orsa U.S.A to his advantage....does Martin know better now...I think so and I am in belief that we will all see some changes in future dealings with Orsa Watchhand6.gif................ I know one thing and that is the members of 3T are not only knowledgeable WIS but talented intelligent well informed men and women whom I have become dependant on as friends!..Happy New Year!  In my line of work there are always second third and fourth chances. But and this is a big But- I ALWAYS have to go with my instinct. Its what keeps me safe and able to come home to my family. With that said, I just don't like the way Orsa does buss. I agree with Pax all the way. I will respect Oscars wishes, and If he is fine with the man thats between them, But I have already been stiffed by Orsa once, weather Martin knew or not it is his buss. I would not run a buss, like that. Why did he not try to do right after he found out about james? Lets see what he does next. |
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