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yamahaki Guest
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You know, when a new watch company starts up, I would think they would make a statement on design, not do a complete rip off of another company. The new g series is a direct copy of my Nivrel. I don't think thats a compliment to Nivrel. The only difference is the dial. Big whoop! Hands the size of tree trunks looks frankly stupid and out of place. It also uses a steinhart caseback. Gee, how much does it cost to source off the shelf parts? I won't be buying an Asianese watch. |
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srh_pres 3T WIS
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I agree Sean. Everything on that one was off the shelf and slapped together. Didn't go over very well I think. ![]() But, he is designing a new GMT diver for production later this year.... ![]() |
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KenC Admin
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srh_pres wrote: I agree Sean. Everything on that one was off the shelf and slapped together. Didn't go over very well I think. From what I have seen of the "original" designs so far (jmho), I doubt it! He may be coming out with it, but designing it? Additionally, he designs by committee on his forum................and we all know about that..............it is said the a camel is nothing more than a horse designed by committee! |
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yamahaki Guest
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Thanks steve. I compared the pics that were posted on wus to my nivrel. Other than the dial, ther identical. It takes quite abit to get me fired up, but this is a replica. Maybe some of there new watches will have there own character. But from the drawing board to whats showing up are 2 very different watches. |
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srh_pres 3T WIS
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One hump or two? :D Imho, I actually like the committee approach - if you look at the drawing below, the modified crown protection, skeletonized GMT hand and reflector dot/# layout was what I contributed to the camel...heh... ;) KenC wrote: srh_pres wrote:But, he is designing a new GMT diver for production later this year.... |
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yamahaki Guest
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would you buy the g series thats out today? Its just a redialed steinhart. Id like to see how they tested it for there water resistance rating. I mean look who's out there in start up mode. Theres scorpion, with a very solid watch, its out selling ocean. theres Enzo. I have 2 of his watches now. there a in your face diver with presence. no commitee. Even Bathys sells all of his watches. The oceans have gone nowhere except to forum members. I'd rather buy a Timex. |
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srh_pres 3T WIS
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heh... nope, I wouldnt buy a g-1. for the same amount of money, I'd much rather get another Orsa! yamahaki wrote: would you buy the g series thats out today? Its just a redialed steinhart. Id like to see how they tested it for there water resistance rating. I mean look who's out there in start up mode. Theres scorpion, with a very solid watch, its out selling ocean. theres Enzo. I have 2 of his watches now. there a in your face diver with presence. no commitee. Even Bathys sells all of his watches. The oceans have gone nowhere except to forum members. I'd rather buy a Timex. |
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KenC Admin
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srh_pres wrote: heh... nope, I wouldnt buy a g-1. for the same amount of money, I'd much rather get another Orsa! Get another ORSA?.............Oh yeh, I did that!!! ..........and committees....another way of avoiding responsibility! (as in.....no...it wasn't my decision...it was THE COMMITTEE'S! :D) |
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yamahaki Guest
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You got my Orsa from Oscar. So we should call it the passaround orsa? One thing I can say about that watch, it shows how well they are really built. |
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KenC Admin
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yamahaki wrote: You got my Orsa from Oscar. So we should call it the Actually, Oscar still has the Orange ORSA he got from you.....I got his other one....or so I'm told! I matters not...................it is mine now!!!!!! |
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yamahaki Guest
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Thats cool. I still have a orange, a lume and a black. The others have found new homes as I have been busy chasing down 2 grail watches.. I got them both:D |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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yamahaki wrote: I still have the one from you Sean...I had 2 hand6.gif as for the new Ocean7...all watches can be compared to someone elses design or have similarites except for the original imho...who do you think Nivrel borrowed from You got my Orsa from Oscar. So we should call it the |
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yamahaki Guest
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almost all of the classic styled divers go back to you know who.:D I'm well aware of this. |
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srh_pres 3T WIS
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fyi... of the over 150 watches O7 has sold so far, only 20% (around 30) have gone to forum members. and they have sold out of the first run of 25 G-1s, so someone likes 'em. yamahaki wrote: The oceans have gone nowhere except to forum members. |
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KenC Admin
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O.A. Gaspar wrote: yamahaki wrote: According to the old Rolex Forum..........EVERYTHING any other watch company does is copied/stolen from ROLEX!!! |
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yamahaki Guest
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KenC wrote: O.A. Gaspar wrote:yamahaki wrote: Nivrel is Nivrel. They have a number of very well built watches. Well this thread went the way most do on this type of topic. |
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teekay 3T WIS
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srh_pres wrote: I think this one sort of reminds me of the Dreadnought. image from http://www.timefactors.com ![]() |
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Crue4 3T WIS
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THe new O7 gmt looks a little like the plans for the Dread GMT as well... I like the looks of it!! |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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teekay wrote: Nice comparison Tee hand6.gif like Yama said...seems like Ocean7 is cherry picking the best of what's out there for their designs...on this one I would go with the Dread!woohoo.gif I know Steve likes his O7 with no complaints:) srh_pres wrote: |
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srh_pres 3T WIS
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Well put Oscar... yes, I was 'cautious' at acquiring an LM-1 for review, but as soon as I put it on, I loved it. And I enjoy being able to provide input into the design of a new watch. O.A. Gaspar wrote: teekay wrote: |
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KenC Admin
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Crue4 wrote: THe new O7 gmt looks a little like the plans for the Dread GMT as well... I like the looks of it!! Crue4...............Welcome to 3T and thank you for your comments. Right now I'm not too thrilled with the Oceans7 designs, but if Steve says they are really good and he wants to sell me his at the right price......I'm might try one! |
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srh_pres 3T WIS
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Tell ya what Ken... once I have my LM-2 and LM-3 in hand, I may be interested in a trade with ya (for the right watch of course)...:cool: KenC wrote: Crue4 wrote:THe new O7 gmt looks a little like the plans for the Dread GMT as well... I like the looks of it!! |
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KenC Admin
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srh_pres wrote: Tell ya what Ken... once I have my LM-2 and LM-3 in hand, I may be interested in a trade with ya (for the right watch of course)...:cool: Fine............as long as you have Kent put on the Gators "2007 NCAA National Champs dial!" :D:D:D |
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srh_pres 3T WIS
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In blue and orange superluminova of course...;) KenC wrote: srh_pres wrote:Tell ya what Ken... once I have my LM-2 and LM-3 in hand, I may be interested in a trade with ya (for the right watch of course)...:cool: |
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KenC Admin
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Cannon.......................welcome to 3T and thank you for your comments. Not sure who you are or if your comments have a vested interest or not...I would hope not. To find that you are surprised to read criticisms of Oceans7 or any brand on a watch forum surprises me and arouses my curiosity. Your post sounds kind of like a marketing spiel, et al! There is praise and criticism a virally every brand on every reasonable forum (although one runs the risk of being flamed, if not banned, on WUS for criticizing Oceans7). Read the criticisms of Rolex, ZENO, Hamilton, et al....along with the praise. Different people have different opinions. I, for one, did email Oceans7, with a question. The curt, condescending reply (yes, it was quick), was what actually turned me off on the company. That opinion could change, as did my opinion of ORSA based upon improved performance. That said, hopefully, you will take this post in the light in which it is intended, and, unless your sole purpose for posting was to point out how wrong we might be, we look forward, we look forward to continued contributions from you on a variety of threads. |
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yamahaki Guest
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wheres cannons post? didn't get to read it. Hell, I'm not bashing ocean7 at all. just threw up my frustration with the g. The others on the drawing board look very good and may be one of my next buys. everybody has there own opinion of a dive watch. Mine are based on numerous buys of divers and wearing them, plus all the opinions that are posted good or bad here. You guys might not agree with what my opinion is, but thats how I learn with the input of other forum members, good or bad. this is a no stress hobbyhand6.gif I learned alot about the lm-1 from steves own experiance with the watch. Now I like it. |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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after some discussion with another admin I have decided to let other members see what Cannon had to post in regards to comments made here on 3T about the Ocean7...I found it to be abrasive and degrading to the members mentioned in his post as Berg,Enzo,Brent and yamahaki are members in very good standing on this forum and it is foremost important to 3T to protect it's members from those who come here to incite flames.:) Quote |
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Cannon Guest
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KenC wrote:Cannon.......................welcome to 3T and thank you for your comments. Not sure who you are or if your comments have a vested interest or not...I would hope not. To find that you are surprised to read criticisms of Oceans7 or any brand on a watch forum surprises me and arouses my curiosity. Your post sounds kind of like a marketing spiel, et al! Hello, well I will introduce myself again since my first post was deleted. I am new to this forum but not new to watch forums. I own or have owned many watches discussed. They include Doxa's, Kobolds, Ocean7's, Orsa's, Bathys, Timefactors, Everest's, Damasko's, Sinn's, Zeno's etc... I have shared my opinions on watches I have owned on many forums. I share the good and bad. I have no vested interest in Ocean7 or any other brand. However I do have a problem with individuals who bad mouth or put down watches or brands based nothing more than on speculation. I decided to post in this thread originally because I took offense to people posting personal opinions as facts. I have learned through private messages that because I mentioned brands whose owners are friends with the owner of this forum my post was deleted. It's a real shame that an open discussion can't take place here. Ken, I personally would love to read the email that was sent to Ocean7 and their response that turned you off on the company. Any chance you can share it? |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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Cannon wrote: Cannon you are on a slippery slope right now with one foot out the door and another on a banana peel:D...open discussion is one thing but as you took offense to opinions of the Ocean7 which were both sided you replied with outright speculation on brands that were discussed here the same as Ocean7...difference is the owners of those companies came on in response as gentlemen and never even as much mentioned their competition as you have ..not to mention chastising a member in good standing for his opinion! and furtermore how about telling us your username on WUS Ocean7 fora so we know who you are instead of joining here under and assumed alias???:shock: KenC wrote: |
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yamahaki Guest
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Well said Oscar! very well said. Look at the Orsa. That was a very heated deal for awhile, but look at all of the watches that are now being traded and sold here! The owner steps in and fixes a error, without trashing anyone, and all of us stepped back in surprise and respect for the man. most of the watches that were stated in cannons post are great watches to me, maybe not to someone else. I'm open for debate on any issue without putting my ego into it. If you feel something needs to be said, say it. |
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KenC Admin
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Cannon wrote: KenC wrote: No..............I really don't have that email (i'm not a saver), but I can paraphrase it for you. I sent an email that said I had just found the WUS Oceans7 site, and while I was not interested in the LM-1. The LM-2 design was intriguing to me (especially as a Glycine fan). I asked to be notified when it was released or to put me on a waiting list for one (sort of a pre-order thing) as I was interested in getting one. I received a reply back that I thought was curt and condescending if not arrogant. The reply was words to the effect that Oceans7 did not maintain a waiting list, and if I wanted a watch I could keep checking the forum like everybody else! That said, I find people who bad mouth our forum members as to their watch knowledge and experience based on nothing more than speculation and then turn around and decide that their opinions are fact and the opinions of others are merely opinions somewhat offensive myself. Yes, your intial post was briefly deleted because it was abrasive in the way you attacked members and vendors based soley on your opinion (which I guess you consider fact) and because it was blatantly promotional to the point that Oscar and I wondered if your were an Oceans7 employee. We then decided to repost it. As to open discussions, we have plenty here. The discussion of Oceans7 is open. You just didn't like it because it didn't reflect your opinion. I think certain brands suck that others love.....I, for one, do not think I would ever own an Omega (well, maybe a vintage) because I find their design mundane and uninspired. Most, vehemently disagree with me. So, should I blast them for being closed minded? Your opinion about this forum and its owners are just that......your opinions. If you had taken time to really see what goes on in this forum, you would see that regardless of the owner's relationship with ORSA, that brand has been flamed from time to time. On the other hand, one of our admins praises Oceans7 to the hilt. Bottom line, look in the mirror and talk to that guy about having an open mind and a little respect for the this forum. If you can convince him that is the right road to travel, then you are welcome here. If not, you may enjoy yourself much more on a forum where people agree with you rather than having to put up with reading alternative points of view. |
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Cannon Guest
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Hi Ken, Now that my original post has been put back up can you give specific examples from the post of how I bad mouthed members? What specifically was offensive? How did I "bash" Orsa, Enzo and Scorpion? |
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KenC Admin
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Cannon wrote: Hi Ken, Can I? YES! ...............will I?...NO! If you cannot figure it out, this is not the right forum for you. You came on with a negative attitude, accused us of being unfair and non-factual....then you accuse us of being close-minded. You seem to simply want to "fight"........ Again, perhaps this is not the forum for you....This particular discussion is at an end. |
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yamahaki Guest
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I think I can answer that one this would be a quote from you. Finally I find it ironic that Yamahaki you write " I won't be buying an Asianese watch." when it looks like you own several. The Orsa's and Enzo's both were made with Asian parts. In fact the Enzo you are so impressed with looks to be made by the same company that is making the upcoming LM-3. Although the Enzo's asking price is over $1000 and the LM-3 is $499. The LM-3 with the custom bezel and anodized dial look to be a steal. If I were you I wouldn't say that you would rather buy a timex. With 7 upcoming Ocean7 models you never know if you will change your mind and want one down the road. Enzo's watches aren't over 1000.00 bucks. maybe to you they are. To me, since I'm nice and talk to him, there at a very steep discount. So are the Orsa's from Martin. If you can look at the threads on both forums you will find that the Enzo is not asian, and orsa isn't either. This post was started about the g series and the nivrel comparison. Nivrel is a well respected and long standing brand. Thats the crux of this post, this thread evolved very well, with input from our own mod Steve giving us his input, and we all listened. The only bashing that happened was from you. |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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Cannon wants to play Ocean7 rep:D I am sure Mitch doesn't condone nor want to have a guy like this represent his company http://ocean7watchco.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=OCEAN7&Category_Code=LM |
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srh_pres 3T WIS
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Well said Oscar...hand6.gif thanks for the kind words and your insight on this discussion... |
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zippofan 3T WIS
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When I went looking for a GMT to replace my broken Alpha I checked all the usual sources and came up with 3 "affordable" candidates. The ubiquitous Steinhart, the IWI Black Ocean and the Bernhardt Globemaster. The Steinhart is a bit above my price range and I have heard too many horror stories about IWI. I would have gone for the Globemaster but I have enough blue dial watches. I continued to look and found the O&W M-6 which I ordered. The M-6 isn't a true GMT with the extra hand, but it does have a nice lumed GMT bezel, sapphire crystal, 2824-2 etc. Since I hang around a few watch boards (WUS and PMWF as well as 3T), I saw a reference to the G-1 on the Affordables forum. Personally I liked the styling, and the price was only 60 bucks more than the O&W. At first I thought, oh damn, I could have had a real GMT for a few bucks more. However, I have to go with Ken here. I received an unpleasant email about a year ago from the O7 owner about a post I made on "his" forum about different watches. Essentially, if I did what he said, I would have lost a $500 Accutron (one of the reasons why I stopped collecting them). Other members of the same forum told me, "chalk it up to experience" when an Accutron watchmaker wasn't sending my watch back and wouldn't answer my email. The hell I will! The only way I could communicate with this watchmaker was to put a message out on the board to perhaps put some pressure on him to return it. Why would I let some buddy of the list owner to keep a $500 watch! I was treated like the bad guy because I posted an inquiry about this guy and his disappearance from that forum, coincidentally at the time I sent him my watch. Needless to say I no longer participate there. Because of the message I received, O7 won't get any of my money even though I like some of the designs. I like the idea of supporting small watch manufacturers, and one of these days I may be able to scratch up the cash to get an Orsa or a Scorpion as I like both. However, O7 is permanently off my list. By the way, here is a pic of the watch in question, a mint condition 1974 Railroad Approved backset 214. All I wanted was a tune-up and regulation, I received neither and was lucky to get the watch back in one piece after 7 months. Attachment: front1.jpg (Downloaded 59 times) |
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