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yamahaki Guest
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oceans new lm3 is a winner in my book. the others I had no likey for. this one is the perfect tool watch. very clean dial, though a depth rating to me is mandatory on a dial. The minute hand works on this watch and so does the second hand. I believe Steve had input for the hand design? correct me if I'm wrong Steve. My 2nd dislike is the hour hand. to short and stubby. The case is a nice chunk of steel. taller and shorter lug to lug which is a good thing. the Shaumberg hangs off the sides of my wrist. The deployant on the bracelet is the very best of quality. Well, thats it. See? I really have no animosity towards there company. just putting up a honest opinion. I'll buy one when they go on sale. |
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oagaspar Site Founder 
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Any Pics???Camera_photos.gi |
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srh_pres 3T WIS 
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I had a little input on this one.. It is 1000m water resistant and the hands were scaled to a smaller dial size, but are proportionately the same. Note all normal dial inscriptions are placed on the case back in all Ocean7 watches. Here are some quick pics (courtesy Brad T):    |
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yamahaki Guest
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thanks for the pics. I new I forgot something. these are alittle bigger.  |
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Gregger 3T WIS 
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Very very nice and I agree...A little info on the dial would be nice |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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I like it because it looks like my Aquamatic with a Stowa bezel!hand6.gif...How much $  |
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yamahaki Guest
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A small update. I went to the ocean7 website for price. 699.00 is reasonable. but when I clicked on the watch for details, its on a rubber strap. 99.00 for the bracelet. thats a deal killer. All of the pics are with bracelet. Why not put the pics up as its going to arrive? with a rubber strap? A Enzo can be had new from him for 800.00 including bracelet. sorry, I think there still having a problem with honesty in advertising. The review is given entirely on bracelet which leads anyone to think thats how the watch is sold. alittle misleading as usual, and no, I'm not going on there site to point the obvious out and get slammed and banned.:D |
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yamahaki Guest
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ps. look at all of the pics. there is something thats way off. maybe they can fix it before shipping begins? heres a hint Attachment: b5.jpg (Downloaded 104 times) |
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srh_pres 3T WIS
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ok... ya got me...?? yamahaki wrote: ps. look at all of the pics. there is something thats way off. maybe they can fix it before shipping begins? heres a hint |
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yamahaki Guest
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end links don't touch case in that position. theres no notch in the case for the bracelet. looks good on the wrist, but the end links don't follow the case. lugs are square, end links curved. all of my divers with bracelet are snug to case and don't move at all. there all solid endlinks. so are those, and there loose. |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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Looks like the bracelet doesn't fit the case properly:?...and isn't this the 5 Panny guy who took the pics?...I thought he was a pro photographer....Clean the Watch before taking Pics!:D ...where's Cannon the Ocean7 Rep..I'm sure he has some input |
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srh_pres 3T WIS
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You mean here? I saw that too - am gonna hazard a guess that since this was the mating of the prototype bracelet with the prototype case, the drill holes and end-link alignment may not be exact. But I will ask the question and we'll see what the response is... hand6.gif yamahaki wrote: end links don't touch case in that position. theres no notch in the case for the bracelet. looks good on the wrist, but the end links don't follow the case. lugs are square, end links curved. all of my divers with bracelet are snug to case and don't move at all. there all solid endlinks. so are those, and there loose. |
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srh_pres 3T WIS
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Yep thats the same guy. On my cheap camera, the dust wouldnt have shown! :shock: O.A. Gaspar wrote: Looks like the bracelet doesn't fit the case properly:?...and isn't this the 5 Panny guy who took the pics?...I thought he was a pro photographer....Clean the Watch before taking Pics!:D |
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yamahaki Guest
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Ask that for me steve. But according to the threads, the case is finished, which means they need to modify the end link. its concave while the case is straight.Also inquire about the added cost of the bracelet. everyone wanted that watch built with a bracelet, not as an option. Now its an option? please get some info. |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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yamahaki wrote: Let's do a pool to see how fast Sean can get banned at the O7 forum:D who wants to set up the squares and how much $ per squaresmile8.gif Ask that for me steve. But according to the threads, the case is finished, which means they need to modify the end link. its concave while the case is straight.Also inquire about the added cost of the bracelet. everyone wanted that watch built with a bracelet, not as an option. Now its an option? please get some info. |
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yamahaki Guest
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I don't have admin privileges so one of you guys set it up. I'm game to post up over there again:D if only for your twisted amusement oscarhand6.gif |
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srh_pres 3T WIS
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Already sent him a msg and asked those questions, he is away for a couple of days, but when I get the reply I will post it here. I also asked Brad to check the fit of the bracelet and get some closeups of the endlink/case interface. yamahaki wrote: Ask that for me steve. But according to the threads, the case is finished, which means they need to modify the end link. its concave while the case is straight.Also inquire about the added cost of the bracelet. everyone wanted that watch built with a bracelet, not as an option. Now its an option? please get some info. |
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yamahaki Guest
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Thats great Steve, but Oscar wants me in banned camp..................:D |
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srh_pres 3T WIS
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 yourock.gif yamahaki wrote: Thats great Steve, but Oscar wants me in banned camp..................:D |
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KenC Admin 
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Still don't like it..........too big, too chunky!.........but, to each his own! jmho |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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yamahaki wrote: ......this kind of Band ?...looks a little like you on the end Buddy!...:D Thats great Steve, but Oscar wants me in banned camp..................:D |
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srh_pres 3T WIS
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This is Brad's response to the endlink/lug question: "Optical illusion! I could make the Schaumburg's bracelet do exactly the same thing...it's just the way the bracelet is folded-over on itself in that shot that gives that little "gap". The bracelets on both watches will move up and down a little bit, it's no biggie. If you look at the full picture of the LM-3, you see the end link on the left side lines up perfectly with the lugs... Trust me...the bracelets on both watches are rock-solid, and I forgot one thing...the lugs are drilled out on the LM-3 and they ain't on the Schaumburg!" Still waiting to hear back from Mitch... |
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yamahaki Guest
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Read shanes reply on the dive forum for the lm-3. If I would have said that there would have been a thousand nasty responses. apparantly someone knows when to back off. I think shane has the time and money to fly to his house and kick his ass if the comment had been negative on brads part. http://forums.watchuseek.com/showthread.php?t=55831 |
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KenC Admin
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Actually, a very good review and excellent photos................it looks a let better there...but the 18mm stack just kills it for me! |
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yamahaki Guest
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18mm is very top heavy, the bracelet can balance some of that, but you always know that sucker is on. |
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srh_pres 3T WIS
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for a quick comparison, the Orsa is 16mm high with a 45mm case; whereas the LM-3 will be 18mm high with a 42mm case. KenC wrote: Actually, a very good review and excellent photos................it looks a let better there...but the 18mm stack just kills it for me! |
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yamahaki Guest
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Its tough to compare height and how it carries when the diameters are different. 45mm at 16mm spreads the weight out over more of an area than 18mm over 42mm. I have the nauticfish. Heavy. My Zeno spreads its height over 45mm, so it carries better. |
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srh_pres 3T WIS
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I guess another thing to consider is that even though its a narrower case, it uses 24mm lugs (wider than the 22m orsa) which i would think might help stabilize it on the wrist. |
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yamahaki Guest
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I think on this one issue, we should just buy the watch and try it out. The lug size may be different, but whats the width of the outside of the lug horns? I have some monsters here that would fool anyone on how they will wear like the massive Vixas. What the lug hole to lug hole size? The orsa is 50mm. |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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This is what balances the Orsa Sea Angler...a large retaining ring that is more like a wall that gives it some center of gravityhand6.gif http://www.timetechtalk.com/view_topic.php?id=3817&forum_id=1&highlight=inside+the+orsa+sea+angler |
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Brad Trent 3T WIS
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This is my first post over here (I only found out about this forum when somebody told my my shots of the LM-3 were in this thread) but I think I have to say a few things... First and most important, I must say that I don't really know "yamahaki" at all, except for the few posts he dropped over on WUS where he managed to really piss off a few of the regulars, so much so that he felt to need to fall on his sword and aplogize in order to get back into the fold, but the way he has acted over there and from what I see in this thread, I gotta ask...do you actually post the things you do in your "stream of consciouness" fashion without thinking of what you are really saying, then change your mind as the wind blows without any thought of your previous ramblings?!! From my admittedly limited knowledge of you on the watch boards, it seems to me like you toss this stuff up just trying to get a rise outta people! There a tons of guys on the internet with a "Look At Me!" persona, but the way your opinions on the LM-3 flip-flopped yesterday make me wonder about your intent... At 3:41 PM you said: "...oceans new lm3 is a winner in my book. the others I had no likey for. this one is the perfect tool watch..." Although you did add that even though it was "perfect" you still felt "...a depth rating to me is mandatory on a dial..." and "...2nd dislike is the hour hand. to short and stubby...". So, not exactly perfect, huh?!! You also added, "...The case is a nice chunk of steel. taller and shorter lug to lug which is a good thing. the Shaumberg hangs off the sides of my wrist...". This bolsters what I said about you saying things without knowing what you are talking about...the two cases are EXACTLY the same! Same size, same weight, same everything. Have you ever had a Schaumburg on your wrist? You finished with the statement that you have "...no animosity towards there company. just putting up a honest opinion. I'll buy one when they go on sale..." But then...less than an hour later at 4:25PM you toss this out there: "...I went to the ocean7 website for price. 699.00 is reasonable. but when I clicked on the watch for details, its on a rubber strap. 99.00 for the bracelet. thats a deal killer..." and "...sorry, I think there still having a problem with honesty in advertising. The review is given entirely on bracelet which leads anyone to think thats how the watch is sold. alittle misleading as usual, and no, I'm not going on there site to point the obvious out and get slammed and banned..." First of all, my review is not "advertising" anything! I am posting my thoughts on a new watch, period! Mitch has had the LM-3 price up on the site for months and for you to claim he's somehow "misleading" is crap and you owe another apology! Your fears about getting banned probably stem from the simple fact that you say things without thinking...nobody is getting kicked off of WUS without first giving the mods some pretty good reasons! Let's continue, shall we? Just a few minutes later, since you now have apparently fallen out-of-love with the LM-3, your long knives come out and at 4:31PM you post the link using my photo that, in your mind, shows a major design flaw with the lugs on the LM-3. You claim there is "...something thats way off..." and your proof is a shadow in the photo that to your eagle-eyes means the machining must have been screwed up in the lug design. How does somebody go from being completely over the moon about a watch at 3:41PM, to trashing it and tossing it in the bin at 4:31PM? Less than an hour?!! You'll have to excuse me for being so skeptical, from from where I'm standing you look like you have an axe to grind with Ocean7! You continue to give up more wrong information when you said "...everyone wanted that watch built with a bracelet, not as an option. Now its an option?", when in fact, Mitch had ALWAYS said the bracelet would be optional! In the Ocean7 LM-3 Plans & Picture thread he started 11/24/2006, in the very first sentence of the first thread, Mitch stated: "1000m/3000ft, sapphire, SW 200 automatic movement, silicone strap, $495 (bracelet extra)"...how much clearer do you want it?!! BRACELET EXTRA!!! This is hardly the way I would have liked to introduce myself on a new watch forum, but I think his behavior has to questioned. I don't know all the details of why he got the mods on WUS so pissed off at him but his actions yesterday will make me doubt anything he says from now on. BT |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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Welcome to 3T Brenthand6.gif I have only one question is the LM-3 $495. or $695. because on the site it states $695.? and with the use of the Selitta SW200 I would hope it would be $495. w/bracelet watch2.gif http://ocean7watchco.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=OCEAN7&Category_Code=LM |
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srh_pres 3T WIS
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Hello Brad and thanks for joining us on 3T. Oscar, the $495 price quoted was the forum members price that Mitch offerred, with the $699 price being the MSRP. |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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srh_pres wrote: Is that a WUS forum member? or do I have to post on the O7 forum to get that $495. price:) I would like to buy one when they are releasedhand6.gif Hello Brad and thanks for joining us on 3T. |
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KenC Admin
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KenC wrote: Actually, a very good review and excellent photos................it looks a lot better there...but the 18mm stack just kills it for me! |
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KenC Admin
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Hi Brad...................welcome to 3T. I thought (as previously stated) that your "review/thoughts/whatever" and the accompanying pictures were excellent. I understand your point of view, believe me, plenty of forum members on WUS have pissed me off as have a few here and elsewhere. That said, perhaps I can change my mind about Oceans7 as you did and as I did about ORSA,....my main problem.....as stated in another thread, was a customer service issue when inquiring about a purchase. Again, welcome....and I hope this isn't a one issue visit and that you will be back! |
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srh_pres 3T WIS
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He had just said 'forum members', without specifying - so I would presume as long as you have an 'account' setup on the O7 website and are a WUS member, you could get the forum pricing... O.A. Gaspar wrote: srh_pres wrote: |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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srh_pres wrote: What is the O7 website?:? He had just said 'forum members', without specifying - so I would presume as long as you have an 'account' setup on the O7 website and are a WUS member, you could get the forum pricing... |
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srh_pres 3T WIS
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The OCEAN7 website is: http://www.ocean7watchco.com |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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srh_pres wrote: That would be an "owners forum" ...as I do not own one would I be able to purchase a new LM-3 for $499. by just being a WUS member for a few years? The OCEAN7 website is: |
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srh_pres 3T WIS
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The owners forum is a separate website from the one I listed the link for. He has given 'owners' an additional price break beyond the forum price on some of his releases but not on all of them. And even though I am an 'owner' now, since I wasn't the original owner, I can't get that additional price break, just the referenced forum price. O.A. Gaspar wrote: srh_pres wrote: |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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srh_pres wrote: Now I'm really confused?,,,,what would be the referenced forum price that I could buy one at?:? The owners forum is a separate website from the one I listed the link for. He has given 'owners' an additional price break beyond the forum price on some of his releases but not on all of them. And even though I am an 'owner' now, since I wasn't the original owner, I can't get that additional price break, just the referenced forum price. |
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srh_pres 3T WIS
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The forum price of $495. Although he did indicate this might go up slightly, maybe $50 - depends on final cost from the factory i would imagine. To get in on the forum price, you should go to the O7 website and register by going into the catalog, clicking on the LM-3 and clicking on waiting list (should prompt you to register)... |
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DonaldF 3T WIS 
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I'm a little lost here. Why does Brad care if "yamahaki" makes remarks about a watch that he didn't produce? Is there monetary standing that Brad haves with the company? Hey, Sean was very helpful to me with the strap problems I was having and he's completely entitled to say anything he wants, within reason of course and he's not being unreasonable. I do like the LM-1 but not sure if I'd buy it because of the long lugs. I have a 7" wrist and don't know if it would fit properly. Looks good though. Last edited on Sat Mar 24th, 2007 01:56 pm by DonaldF |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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srh_pres wrote: I sent an e-mail to Mitch with my interest in purchasing a LM-1 and a LM-3...but I just pulled this from the forum and I believe in is contradicting anyting mentioned in this thread? LM-3 ETA 2824-2 or Sellita SW200, 1000m. Here in April, $699 (discount on 50 pieces (or 7 days, whever comes first) will be offered to WUS members, LM-1 original owners first). Bracelet optional at $125. The forum price of $495. Although he did indicate this might go up slightly, maybe $50 - depends on final cost from the factory i would imagine. |
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srh_pres 3T WIS
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That was from a post of his back on 12/7/06. The purchase price of the bracelet, outright, is $125; but when bought with the watch is shown as $99. O.A. Gaspar wrote: srh_pres wrote: |
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yamahaki Guest
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So Brad. I f other forum members put up some info in a discussion, which this is, they flip flop? I say I like the watch, Think its perfect but don't like a few things on it? SO? who has a perfect watch? you know, other members can change ones opinion on a topic. Thats whats so great about debate. Here, you don't get blasted for changing your mind on a subject, or saying whats on your mind. As far as flip-flop, heres a quote for you from the dive forum. I didn't see you attack this member at all. Why? SHANE 1000 vbmenu_register("postmenu_315574", true); Member  Re: Ocean7 LM-3 Review
#8 Re: Ocean7 LM-3 Review Shane, acting like Columbo, observed: "..."...Brad you said "they are just Fake Schaumburgs" LMFAO..." Yeah, yeah...go on...kick me in the nuts!  I know I said it...what can I say...I changed my mind!!!  BT (Mssr. Le Flip-Flop) |
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yamahaki Guest
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After looking at this thread, I see nothing wrong with it. Theres alot of humor in the thread, actually, some very good stuff. But you single me out as happened on the Lm1 thread. Opinions are like a##holes. Everybody has one, but only you talk out of yourshand6.gif |
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Brad Trent 3T WIS
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yamahaki...you and I have nothing to talk about. You seem to have an axe to grind with Mitch and Ocean7 (a company I have ZERO financial interest in, to answer an earlier question) and I'm simply pointing out your completely two-faced attitude towards this company! You've gone out of your way to slam them on both WUS and as I just found out, on this forum as well... yamahaki Posted: Sat Mar 17th, 2007 09:54 PM "...would you buy the g series thats out today? Its just a redialed steinhart. Id like to see how they tested it for there water resistance rating. I mean look who's out there in start up mode. Theres scorpion, with a very solid watch, its out selling ocean. theres Enzo. I have 2 of his watches now. there a in your face diver with presence. no commitee. Even Bathys sells all of his watches. The oceans have gone nowhere except to forum members. I'd rather buy a Timex..." Hey...if you don't like Ocean7, fine! But don't start a thread praising the damn things to the point where you say you're gonna buy one, and then do a 180 less than an hour later slamming them! It makes it impossible for anyone to take anything you say seriously. On the other hand, the obscene way you've answered back in an attempt to "defend" yourself kinda shows that you say nothing that should be taken seriously anyway! As for Shane's post on the Dive forum, what's your point? I don't have a problem with anything Shane said...we have an adult, intelligent online relationship and he was simply making a humorous reference to an earlier post of mine where I said the Enzo was derivative of the Schaumburg...so what?!! It was ME who jokingly said I flip-flopped!!! If you paid any attention in the Ocean7 forum instead of just popped up from time to time to make negative comments, I said the same thing about the LM-3 when Mitch announced he was going to produce it!!! That doesn't mean I can't like the finished product! You seem to have found a place on this forum where you can spread venom about Mitch and Ocean7 without getting put in your place...I'm just here to tell the other side of the story. If you feel I'm wrong, please...enlighten us all! BT |
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yamahaki Guest
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You have just been enlightened. Your wrong. twist what you like, but go away. You irritate my sphincter.:D get some humor and lighten up. This is a no stress situation. Our opinions are miles apart. Lets just keep it that way. |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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A forum is a place to discuss views..not all members views are alike and that is what makes up a good community imho...so in saying that I would add that Brad you have been given the same venue to express your views the same as Yama and any other member of this forum and I have learned from what you have added to the discussion and hope you continue to be active on this forumhand6.gif It is nice to hear from those who have better knowledge of a brand for that is how I learn...and learning about this hobby and what makes it "tick" is why I would hope everyone is here...I know that's why I am. |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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I e-mailed Mitch today and received a very prompt and courteuos reply from him in which I was told that the first 50 LM-3's will be discounted to LM-1 owners 1st and then to WUS membershand6.gif I would have to believe that the 50 discounted models at $499. will be going to LM-1 owners and not likely to be seen by many others at that price...all in all I would still be interested in a LM-3 for $699. but I am not completely sold on the Selitta SW200 . |
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yamahaki Guest
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who else uses that movement? |
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srh_pres 3T WIS
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Oris does or is about to for one - modified I think though... yamahaki wrote: who else uses that movement? |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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yamahaki wrote: Like Steve said...Oris for one will be using it in the TT1 as reported to me by JohnnyP and Anomino is supposed to be using one in a model as well....what level or mods are being done to the Selitta I'm sure will be released or as Johnny finds out!hand6.gif who else uses that movement? |
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O.A. Gaspar wrote: yamahaki wrote: Dont forget Invicta:P:P:P:Phand6.gif |
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Tony Duronio 3T WIS
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O.A. Gaspar wrote: I e-mailed Mitch today and received a very prompt and courteuos reply from him in which I was told that the first 50 LM-3's will be discounted to LM-1 owners 1st and then to WUS membershand6.gif I would have to believe that the 50 discounted models at $499. will be going to LM-1 owners and not likely to be seen by many others at that price...all in all I would still be interested in a LM-3 for $699. but I am not completely sold on the Selitta SW200 . Oscar, Just wait for the LM-1 owners to get theres and within 3-4 days there will be 3-4 for sale on various sales forums. No knock against the watch but you see it happen on almost every release. JMHO of course;) |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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Tony Duronio wrote: With that said T...it is enough to stay away from that movement until it is proven to be anywhere equal an eta Invicta is having their share of problems with the Sellita SW200 and the winding stems not seating properly!! O.A. Gaspar wrote:yamahaki wrote: |
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yamahaki Guest
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I did some checking on the movement. Meistersinger has a watch using one, but its highly modified. Would the higher end watch companies follow Meistersinger as far as reworking the movement to meet there own qc? where would they source modules from? I came across some pics of the movement, but someone better here would need to point out the weak spots.  |
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Brad Trent wrote:
And this is the very essence of Yamahaki-san... And lest my comment be misconstrued... I mean that in the most affectionate of terms... |
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srh_pres 3T WIS
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One thing that jumps out at me is that (Sean's pics) says it has 26 jewels? I think the eta has 25 jewels? Course I could be wrong...:shock: |
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yamahaki Guest
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Why thank you pax. At least there are those out there that know I'm crazy and accept it. |
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yamahaki Guest
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It says the 200 is a 26 jewel movement, but on there site i see a reference for a 25 jewel movement also? I could be wrong on that. Meistersinger says 25. Maybe they modified it. E. Avery or Johnny could take a shot at it? I really read up on this yesterday for about 3 hours on opinions from different forums and different watchmakers. |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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yamahaki wrote: Meistersinger may be a good example since their watches are made by Cattin CIE...the same company that is making the O7 as well as the Orsa Swiss Sea Anglers...but even decorated and finished it still looks rough compared to a eta or valjoux:) I have only known of Invicta using this movement and having problems with the winding stem not seating properly but then it is Invicta we are talking about:D....Bathys is also using the SW200 but not really letting the public know as their site still contends they use eta 2824-2 movements:( My contention is why pay top dollar for a watch using the SW200 which in no way has a proven track record for reliability as eta and valjoux does....only Time will tell....until then I will stick with eta based watches when I'm looking to spend over a certain amount of money....jmhohand6.gif I did some checking on the movement. Meistersinger has a watch using one, but its highly modified. Would the higher end watch companies follow Meistersinger as far as reworking the movement to meet there own qc? where would they source modules from? I came across some pics of the movement, but someone better here would need to point out the weak spots. |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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yamahaki wrote: What's not to Like!!!yourock.gif Why thank you pax. At least there are those out there that know I'm crazy and accept it. |
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KenC Admin
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Tony Duronio wrote: O.A. Gaspar wrote:who else uses that movement? Damn you, Tony....I had almost forgotten about invivta.................what the hell, they had a hard enough time making the ETA 2824 work!!!smile25.gif |
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yamahaki Guest
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I see what your saying Oscar. I need to see who's a part of these watch groups. The movement does look unfinished. I would prefer to stay with the eta's myself. Theres nothing like the noise my Vixa chrono eta valjoux7750 makes when spinning the rotorhand6.gif as far as Bathys, there are afew complaints on the movement, but not many. I talked with the owner of Bathys afew weeks ago about sourcing the ti pvd he uses. Seems the company that was doing has stopped. The process is very expensive. So I sent him to the motorcycle aftermarket companies that use the same process for fork tubes and other parts that require they be strong but light. I think I sent him to Yoyodyne. He seems to be a pretty nice guy. |
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