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Paxman 3T WIS 
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Just received an email detailing John Vargas' firing from Doxa. Anybody know the real story.. seems like he was messing with ETA or something. WTF? Johnny P... you must have more detail. Personally, I liked John and he made me come back to Doxa after swearing off the brand... In his email trail there are some implications about the watches... I implore you WIS... anybody have more details?? |
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yamahaki Guest
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john posted on wus the story and the emails that were sent. he asked for a raise, and the crap hit the fan.its in the divers section |
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oagaspar Site Founder 
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Here's a link to the whole mess on the public fora at WUS http://forums.watchuseek.com/showthread.php?t=57519 |
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zippofan 3T WIS 
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3 bucks an hour??? You gotta be kidding me... :shock: They ain't selling Chinese quartz! Sounds like a college I used to work for, when I got my Masters' degree I asked for a raise, they showed me the door. I went to another college down the road and doubled my pay. Idiots...something like that is a PR disaster and the official reply shows just how clueless they really are. I'll stick with my "poor man's Doxa"... Cheers, Griff |
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Let the truth be told:D:D Doxa method of operation doesn't shock me. I post it here because it will disappear from WUS #9 John ***** vbmenu_register("postmenu_325263", true); MemberJoin Date: May 2006 Location: Florida Posts: 300   Re: I was fired!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hey Guy's,Thanks for all your support. I really appreciate it. I will always be around if you need me. I will shoot it straight. I will be fine, I do feel sorry for those who will no longer get the support they need. Anyone wishing to vent about DOXA, can do it here. You free here from censorship. For all of you wanting to purchase DOXA's be wary that they no longer will cover tubes and crown's. They are not warrantied items. Also to quote Mr. Jenny..., or to quote John P, about Mr. Jenny "he doesnt care about Americans or the American Market"...I have this in writing! Actually, I have a lot on writing. It ws a constant battle for honor and being truthfull, many of you were BCC'd, and know the truth. Here is what led to my termination...Also, as I find interesting emails, I will post them. Here is a sample of what truly happened...should you want to know more, feel free to email, I am more than happy to tell you the truth. Luckily I saved all the emails. So, I will be posting them shortly. If you want to know the true reason that I was fired here it is...Many of you have been on the BCC list for quit some time, so I expect this does not come as a shock to you. To those who I have served it has been a pleasure and an honor. I will continue to serve you in anyway I can. I am here if you need me. Warmest Regards to all of you, ----- Original Message ----- From: Lord John ***** To: rick.marei@doxawatches.com Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 6:09 PM Subject: Re: Lusine It is no threat Rick, I never make threats I do what I say. Me lie, No sir, I have the documents in front of me. Acquired through FedEx, and through the US Government. I explained my actions with ETA, I am legally allowed to inquire for a freind. I did nothing wrong with ETA, I carboned copied John P on all of them. I have the application, that was sent in so I can post that as well. What you do is unacceptable in life. Now, who are people going to believe documents, or you? Wait I have an Idea, how about I take photos of them before I post such as this one...nah, I will post them, and then you can deal with them! No way out for you my friend. You web of lies will unfold... ----- Original Message ----- From: rick.marei@doxawatches.com To: Lord John ***** Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 5:56 PM Subject: Re: Lusine Don't threaten me John. you are lying or someone told you lies through and through The decision came due to your last action with ETA. This is absolutely unacceptable in the watch business. Rick ----- Original Message ---------- Original Message ----- From: John ***** At DOXA WatchesFrom: Lord John *****To: rick.marei@doxawatches.comCc: romeo.jenny@doxawatches.com ; Dr. Peter McClean MillarSent: Monday, April 02, 2007 11:49 PMSubject: Re: LusineGood deal!Now, I can post everything...I will still call it wont stop me, you now started a war you cannot win.I have documents, papers, now, I can go forward with the truth. Your 10 year contract. The 11 additional dials you handed out for the limited edition 100 only Divingstar. The fact that DOXA USA consist of only three people. Everything truthful I have.Now, I will sit back and dedicate a website so people can see that dials cost $.10 cents. The whole watch is less than $200.00. complete breakdowns of everything. From DOXA paperwork not me. To: rick.marei@doxawatches.com Cc: John Pfeiffer Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 4:51 PM Subject: Re: Lusine Exactly what I said Rick...every I turn around, it seems one of the Jenny's doesn't like the way I do things. Yet, no one has called me, outside of John. So, in the AM, I will call Mr. Romeo F. Jenny, and ask him personally, as a matter of fact, I will call every Jenny and ask them why it seems no matter what I do, it never seems good enough. I am tired of a constant battle of people I have never talked too. So, I am going to seek a resolution. John ***** Business Representative DOXA Watches USA ----- Original Message ----- From: rick.marei@doxawatches.com To: John ***** At DOXA Watches Cc: john.pfeiffer@doxawatches.com Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 4:37 PM Subject: Re: Lusine John, this is unbelievable !!. What do you mean by nobody has the guts to call you? rick marei ----- Original Message -----__________________From: John ***** At DOXA WatchesTo: john.pfeiffer@doxawatches.com ; rick.marei@doxawatches.comSent: Monday, April 02, 2007 9:23 PMSubject: Re: LusineLet me get this strait, they are upset becuase I requested a raise? If they think I am going to continue to work, and do what I do for $12.00 an hour, they can look for another fool.I don't need the money, but what is fair is fair. They don't pay for a thing in this house. Nothing...not my gas to go to the post office, not my electricity, not my cable, not my phone lines and fax line. Nothing.The average income in this state for this position is well over $100,000.00, and that is the lowest, the median is $155,000,00 for all I do...with minimum education, I have a Post Doctorate Degree.Tell them to rethink this, very carefully. I promise you that no one will do this job for $12.00 an hour.I am genuinely enraged at the audacity, which they have at this point. So, they want to screw me over they have another thing coming.I tried calling Switzerland since they don't have the guts to call me, but I will get a hold of someone tomorrow. No need to go through a middleman, you can stay out of it; I am going to go direct, and discuss this like a man.I have Peter, and Romeo numbers, home and cell.I am tired if this constant, almost daily battle between what you say the Jenny's say, and what I do. There has to be some resolve...John *****Business RepresentativeDOXA Watches USA1john.*****@doxawatches.comhttp://www.doxawatches.com----- Original Message -----From: john.pfeiffer@doxawatches.comTo: John ***** at Doxa WatchesSent: Monday, April 02, 2007 1:09 PMSubject: LusineJohn, please do not involve Lusine in the DOXA stuff. Cause we do not want to have any disputes about this in the future. If your time does not let you take care of everyone, then customers should wait.Yesterday I forwarded your salary email to Switzerland and they were upset about the presentation of the idea. If Lusine will start helping out then it means that she has to be paid separately and DOXA does not allow husband and wife to work in the same company.I also do not want to hear that she was working for free and be involved in this discussion later on. I hope you understand that things are likely to turn like this at the end when there are any issues.JohnHey John,Here is my invoice for March of 2007. This year is up at DOXA, and although I am not doing this for the money, I am not being paid what I am worth. When I started, my only function was that I was to do Online Chat Live. Then phones.Well as you know, I am acting more like an executive director, of which I do not mind, I actually love the job, and enjoy taking care of customers. However, $12.00 an hour for what I do is truly underpaid, this is the minimum starting wage for hired help, or manual labor as stock people in this area. I know I am worth more than a stock boy’s wage. I have advanced degrees. Here is the median amount I would be paid here in the US.The median total compensation including benefits for a typical Customer Service Director in Brandon, FL 33511, is $155,833. This basic market pricing report was prepared using our Certified Compensation Professionals' analysis of survey data collected from thousands of HR departments at employers of all sizes, industries and geographies. Ramdom Selection DOXA'S: All the Vintage Ones! Rolex: Sub, GMT, BB, Dayt Tudor: Sub, M-Sub FM: 6850 IWC: 3706, Portuguese Dudley:S1 Masonic PW PP: 5065A, 5107G, 3448 VC: 31 Day, 47040 Seiko: Ti 600M S-D, Custom CS: P Delphis Benrus: Type I & II Citizen: MA Lemania: Pilot Glycine: A-Man C Sinn: 756 D/P To Many to List! Last edited by John ***** : 12 Minutes Ago at 05:22. |
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Paxman 3T WIS
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I simply can't believe they would fire Lord Vargas over a measly couple o' bucks... I don't like the accusations floating though and don't like what I am hearing. Of course the thread is locked on the doxa forum. If what John is claiming is even partially true Doxa is F-ed up indeed!! |
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Crue4 3T WIS 
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I think the real question that is being tip-toed around... is just how much of the Doxa watch is "chinese"? We know the movt' is eta (but then again an eta movt is present in many "replicas"..) and the bracelet is Chinese according to Vargas.... Is the case Chinese as well? We know the Lume is poor quality... so is the Doxa watch really a Chinese Watch with Swiss movt assembled in Europe? Wonder if we will ever know the real answer to that one.. Can't wait to watch the saga unfold... might even be able to pick up a "Doxa" on the cheap soon.. selfishly that would be really cool... |
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srh_pres 3T WIS 
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Good points and questions... and I agree - would love to pick one up cheap! ;) Crue4 wrote: I think the real question that is being tip-toed around... is just how much of the Doxa watch is "chinese"? We know the movt' is eta (but then again an eta movt is present in many "replicas"..) and the bracelet is Chinese according to Vargas.... Is the case Chinese as well? We know the Lume is poor quality... so is the Doxa watch really a Chinese Watch with Swiss movt assembled in Europe? Wonder if we will ever know the real answer to that one.. |
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ern1911 3T WIS
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Crue4 - I am with you on that idea. I had so much high regard for Doxa before, but now I don't know what to think, except that the Doxa pedestal has been lowered a bit for me. Anyone want to sell their Doxa say for $300.00? Last edited on Tue Apr 3rd, 2007 12:37 am by ern1911 |
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ern1911 3T WIS
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Wait a minute, the Seikos I have wanted to buy cost no more than $250.00 new, make that my new offer. ern1911 wrote: Crue4 - I am with you on that idea. |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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Crue4 wrote: This has pretty much been discussed here for months about Doxas claims and unfolded by JohnnyP and Eric our 3T advisors ...it's no mystery that most Swiss watch companies contain as much as 70% Asian made parts....51% of "cost" and final assembly/inspection is all it takes to be called Swiss Made...remember 51% of the "total cost"....not parts is all it takes to garner "Swiss Made" on the dial....only a handful of Watch manufacturers can claim 100% Swiss Made with all components being Swiss made...that's why Jean Marcel is such a great buy imhohand6.gif I doubt anyone will be unloading their Doxas over this...they are still an Awesome Timepiece and have held their price.....nice thought though Crue!woohoo.gif I think the real question that is being tip-toed around... is just how much of the Doxa watch is "chinese"? We know the movt' is eta (but then again an eta movt is present in many "replicas"..) and the bracelet is Chinese according to Vargas.... Is the case Chinese as well? We know the Lume is poor quality... so is the Doxa watch really a Chinese Watch with Swiss movt assembled in Europe? Wonder if we will ever know the real answer to that one.. |
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Paxman 3T WIS
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ern1911 wrote: Wishful thinking on your part.... I am with Osacr on this. My main concern is the future of the brand in the U.S. market. This doesn't bode well from a CS perspective... We all remember Johnny's ordeal with the Mil Edition and the BS he was fed. Stephen and Sandra also had CS issues. I would have never bought another Doxa except for the relationship John built... |
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ern1911 3T WIS
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Paxman - yes probably wishful thinking on my part as I jested last night, and I hope so. If the product is good it will hold through. What's disconcerting is if a company treats employees this badly and already a notion that they have less than desirable customer service, and finally tagged with a "chinese" notoriety to it, it's gonna change a lot of people views (at least prospective buyers) and affect sales. Then again this whole thing could blow over and nobody knows the better in the general public and things carry on, as always in life. good day all Last edited on Tue Apr 3rd, 2007 10:51 am by ern1911 |
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KenC Admin 
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I'm confused........................did we not have an on-line discussion about how screwed up DOXA was several months ago?coyote2.gif |
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Paxman 3T WIS
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Doxa being screwed up is certainly nothing new... It seems they take one step forward and then two back... I think this will not blow over though the it seems all threads at WUS have been locked and/or removed!! Again, grave concerns over Doxa's commitment from a CS perspective... |
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ern1911 3T WIS
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Sorry, newbie here, just catching onto the Doxa episode.... KenC wrote: I'm confused........................did we not have an on-line discussion about how screwed up DOXA was several months ago?coyote2.gif |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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I doubt anything JohnV has to say will effect the sale of Doxa'swatch2.gif from an employers view if someone in my employ were to go over my head and look into my business practices and contact my associates without my knowledge and then threaten to hold it against me in lew of a raise...I would have Fired him too:DGood thing JohnnyP downloaded the whole thread from WUS as it has been deleted...here is what tune JohnV is singing todayhand6.gif http://forums.watchuseek.com/showthread.php?t=57580 |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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Here is JohnP's post this morning...I have spoken with John on occasion and enjoyed meeting him as well as talking watches...hand6.gif #1 DOXA S.A. vbmenu_register("postmenu_326135", true); Administrator DOXA FOrumJoin Date: May 2005 Posts: 479 was away for one day, I will never leave my computer again Dear friends and forum members,I left the office early yesterday cause I had fiever. came back today and a fire had started. I talked to John in the morning and ironed things out. I personally admit the unprofessionality of the reaction of all parties involved including myself, John and the rest of DOXA. I need to make things clear here, as rumors seem to spread faster than a virus. Although I think it is further improfessional to discuss internal business matters in public, and all of you who own or work for a business know exaactly what I mean but because we dragged you all in, I need make some explanations here: 1. John was not fired because of salary issue. The increase was granted to him before this all started. 2. The reason behind the mess is that 2 grown ups (I apologize to the 2 persons here explicitely) have behaved like children in my eyes. Both are my friends and I will not cover either because they both know that loosing their temper has caused a great deal of problems. If you ask me what is next, I dont know. Time should heal all thes wounds. 3. All new DOXA SUBs are 100% Swiss made brand so I do not know who started this stupid rumor. John assured me that he never mentioned anything like that and I trust him 4. DOXA's core business is building watches, so everything like straps, caps, watch rolls, etc are not necessarily Swiss made. As I have nothing to hide, I will put a list of origin of all what accessories that come to my mind: 1. leather straps EC 2. Watch rolls EC 3. Caps far east 4. T-shirts EC 5. Watch cylinder EC 6. rubber straps are designed in the US, made partially in the Switzerland, EC and China 7. printed matters EC 8. shipping boxes EC 9. plastic boxes for parts EC 10. tools for bracelet replacement EC As I have noticed that many dont even know that there are 2 Johns here. Both of us have served you in the past and I wish my dear friend John would be able to stay. Apologies have to roll in every direction to dilute the personal humiliations and insults that have taken place yesterday before the situation could change. John P. Last edited by DOXA S.A. : 41 Minutes Ago at 20:10. |
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pacifichrono 3T WIS 
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So now the two parties have kissed and made up, and John V. expects everyone to just ignore the fallout he created. Gimme a break. |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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pacifichrono wrote: Tom...it's amusing to read the posts from everyone coming out of the woodwork saying stuff like I'm glad I never bought one or I can see them being unloaded on the sales forum....gimme a break!:D it's like they just found out Invicta doesn't really have a Swiss factory!....DUH!  So now the two parties have kissed and made up, and John V. expects everyone to just ignore the fallout he created. Gimme a break. |
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yamahaki Guest
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I found it very intertaining, and read and watched as the responses unfolded. But would I buy a Doxa? Hell yes! I don't need a bunch of weiners past and present shape my own damn opinion of a watch that has proven itself for alot of years.hand6.gif |
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pacifichrono 3T WIS
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O.A. Gaspar wrote: pacifichrono wrote: I thought about posting a "buy" offer over there for a used Doxa, but I'm afraid I would be deluged! |
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Foster 3T WIS 
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Hold on a minute........Invicta doesn't have a Swiss Factory????????????????????? coyote2.gif O.A. Gaspar wrote: pacifichrono wrote: |
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KenC Admin
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WHAT??? Invicta doesn't have a Swiss factory??? Please say it isn't so..................next thing you'll be telling me the Easter Bunny ain't coming next Sunday! Foster wrote: Hold on a minute........Invicta doesn't have a Swiss Factory????????????????????? |
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John Vargas 3T WIS
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Paxman wrote: I simply can't believe they would fire Lord Vargas over a measly couple o' bucks... Why would you doubt me? I have never lied to you, I always told it like it was to everyone. When you needed to be taken care of, I made it happen. Why mock me now? John |
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John Vargas 3T WIS
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O.A. Gaspar wrote: I doubt anything JohnV has to say will effect the sale of Doxa'swatch2.gif I take it you are an expert on me? I did not hold a thing over their heads. I called ETA, this is true, but if you know anything about the forum, I was in the design process of two watches. I also inquired for a freind. In addition, I did not kiss and make up...I did not retract anything I said. I received many emails from friends who said I had lowered myself. Moreover, I should raise the bar for myself. When did it become illegal to contact a company? Who are you to judge? You know nothing of what happened...but I guess since you own this forum, you can run it and say whatever you like. Sounds strikingly familiar... Facts before speculation...that’s what I learned in law school. John Last edited on Fri Apr 6th, 2007 06:22 am by John Vargas |
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John Vargas 3T WIS
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O.A. Gaspar wrote: Crue4 wrote: Let me correct you on this as well... Only when it is Swiss, may a watch carry the indications "Swiss made" or "Swiss", or any other expression containing the word "Swiss" or its translation, on the outside. According to Section 1a OSM, a watch is considered to be Swiss if:
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04lund2025 3T WIS
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Hey John V.!!!!!!! Good to see you here Buddy!!!!!! hand6.gifhand6.gif Welcome aboard 3T!!!!! hand6.gif Stephen |
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John Vargas 3T WIS
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04lund2025 wrote: Hey John V.!!!!!!! Good to see you here Buddy!!!!!! hand6.gifhand6.gif Welcome aboard 3T!!!!! hand6.gif Hey Steven, Thanks for the welcome! John |
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welcome to 3T . |
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John Vargas 3T WIS
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IWR222 wrote: welcome to 3T . Thanks!!!!!! |
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Paxman 3T WIS
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John Vargas wrote: Paxman wrote:I simply can't believe they would fire Lord Vargas over a measly couple o' bucks... Hey John welcome to 3T. I certainly am not mocking you in any way shape or form. My doubt might be better expressed as being incredulous Doxa would forsake an asset like yourself over small change. And I will never say otherwise... you did right by me and are the reason I went back to Doxa after swearing off them. This whole incident has again sworn me off their product until something changes. I simply don't like the whirlwind of rumor surrounding the watches now and don't want to doubt the origins of my pieces... Of course, the powers at Doxa are being less than forthright which doesn't help the matter. John, you were an asset to Doxa and I'll never think otherwise. You went to bat for me and I truly do appreciate and remember it. I wish you all the best!! |
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John Vargas wrote: Let me tell you this straight up John...You are a guest on this forum now not the Doxa forum and if you don't like what is being said...GoodBye! Bottom line...you f**ked up and got fired ! Give us some facts that may make us think any different.I read all the posts current and deleted that is what I based my reply on! O.A. Gaspar wrote:I doubt anything JohnV has to say will effect the sale of Doxa'swatch2.gif |
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John Vargas 3T WIS
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O.A. Gaspar wrote: John Vargas wrote: |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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John...I am giving you more freedom here than you gave those with adverse opinions on the Doxa forum....you were as much of the problem there as you now feel you are the solution and don't you dare compare this forum to the circus you ran at WUS!!!!!....Your posts will not be deleted like the Doxa forum and now you feel you can go from forum to forum pleading your case...unlike you I do not share private e-mails on public forum...I have some self respect and morals.If any of us here were to pose the replies you are making here on the Doxa forum we would have been banned already! Like I said show us some facts to back up your accusations! ...and I have asked the same of Doxa. If you are only here to incite then you better put on your flame retardent suit or become an active member with something positive to contibute.:) |
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This is getting tiresome. You got fired. People lose/change jobs every day, get over it. You are behaving like a spoiled petulant child who was told he couldn't have another candy bar. Not everyone is going to agree with you and/or agree with your actions. Better learn to live with that too. If the tone evident in your litany of posts is indicative of your general demeanor, I would have fired you too. I have never been a fan of Doxa and it's business practices, but you are behaving no better. John Vargas wrote: O.A. Gaspar wrote:John Vargas wrote: |
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John Vargas 3T WIS
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I was not a moderator on the DOXA Forum... I encourage freedom of speech...I always will... I am not upset I was fred, nor will I ever be. I am not attempting to be part of any solution to it. Time will allow things... Many who know me well, know I am not a fan of certan DOXA practices... |
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Paxman 3T WIS
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Gentlemen!! Rest your sphincters!! Probably not appropriate or appreciated but I will take any opportunity to drop that line... Let's not get too personal and keep it to the facts. I never though I might be a voice of reason... |
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John Vargas 3T WIS
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Yes, Sir! |
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Vargas.....I don't own a DOXA, think they are far overpriced for what they are and will never own one (I think most on here and WUS can also verify that money is not the issue). What I do question is your audacity in coming on this forum, taking free discussion, spinning to the worst possible meaning and attacking members in good standing. That said, I tend to believe what you say about DOXA, simply because of posts I have read in the past on this and other forums. So I won't open myself up to attack by you because you think a "partial" statement may be accusing you of being a liar, let's just say I take everything you said about DOXA at face value. And then, let's point out that you were a DOXA employee that supported the business and the way they did it, not only behind the scenes, but as a very public admin on their very heavy handed official forum...................until you felt personally wronged because of some pay and/or treatment issue. ONLY THEN DID YOU SPEAK OUT AS TO THE CRAP THEY WERE PULLING ON THEIR CUSTOMERS!! It is simply my opinion, that this makes all of your subsequent whining the non-issue of some petulant child. It makes you as dishonest, unethical and immoral as you claim your former employers to be. If you think about it, especially in the position you were in, you were the public face that assisted DOXA in duping their customers. Somewhere, I read that you had a PhD (perhaps I am mistaken). Obviously, it is not a degree in business ethics. This forum was actually very supportive of your position if you had bothered to research it, so, now, a few points............1) your post will not be deleted. 2) If you want to come on the forum and earn the respect of its members, you are certainly welcome. 3) we would look forward to any information that you can impart that would make us more knowledgeable (as opposed to unsubstantiated personal attacks) 4) For the most part, we don't have "problem children" here..........and we are not looking for one! 5) Oscar and I have discussed the problems with the Caribbean, long prior to your posts here, and, at best, his treatment by DOXA was NOT quality customer service (strangely, Oscar has been a huge DOXA supporter in the past). So here's the bottom line.....I am not accusing you of lying and I am not mocking you. I am stating that in my opinion, you knowingly supported unethical behavior on the watch community until it no longer met your own personal needs. I am also accusing you of acting like an injured, petulant child, when it appears, that you participated heavily in injuring others. If you don't like what we have to say, you are welcome to post your differences, but if you want to get into a war of words..........I can guarantee you...you will lose! |
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John Vargas 3T WIS
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Hey Pax, It was a pleasure to serve you, and all the DOXA clients, that is why I held out for so long. I just wonder who is going to champion them when they need it. Anyway if you ever need me, I will be there for you. John Last edited on Fri Apr 6th, 2007 11:44 am by John Vargas |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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This is my address book which automatically saves e-mail addys when someone e-mails me and I reply...works both ways...funny I wonder how you got in there John since you claim to have never e-mailed me?:? Attachment: Picture.jpg (Downloaded 103 times) |
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John Vargas 3T WIS
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You couldnt be more wrong...I wish I was free to explain it. However, I do have one person here who can vouch for my character should he chose to do so. I am a tell it like it is kind of guy. Education...JD, and higher. I am confident that those who know me, can speak for me. It does me no good to praise myself. I can asssure you this, I have never took part in anything that was unethical business wise or anything else in life for that matter. Steve will attest, that I for one do not like PM's. I prefer everythig out in the open. Many of my posts were deleted as well. While employed with DOXA, I did evrything for the customer, and treated them as I would have wanted to be treated. |
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John Vargas 3T WIS
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O.A. Gaspar wrote: This is my address book which automatically saves e-mail addys when someone e-mails me and I reply...works both ways...funny I wonder how you got in there John since you claim to have never e-mailed me?:? I honestly do not remember emailing you. For that I apologize. |
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John Vargas 3T WIS
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John Vargas wrote: O.A. Gaspar wrote: This is my address book which automatically saves e-mail addys when someone e-mails me and I reply...works both ways...funny I wonder how you got in there John since you claim to have never e-mailed me?:?
I also apologize if you recieved substandard service from DOXA. More Especially if it was from me. |
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KenC Admin
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John Vargas wrote: You couldnt be more wrong...I wish I was free to explain it. However, I do have one person here who can vouch for my character should he chose to do so. John................as stated above....3T supported you when we got he news. If you want to move on, so do we. You are welcome here as a contributor. Let's simply call this a misunderstanding...discuss anything you like openly, but do not misconstrue remarks and use them as a basis for an attack. There is a reason for pm and there is a reason for open forum. Some things, perhaps, should not be out in the open until one is absolutely sure as to intent. Not everything everyone says here is appreciated by all..............but I can guarantee you that 99.9% of it is left standing, unedited and uncensored. KenC |
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Johnny P Advisor
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  Doxa chronometer COSC, Look at the balance wheel Spoke it flares, with incabloc shock  Doxa Mil Ed standard 2824-2, but with incabloc, notice wheel spokes are straight.  Now look at eta chart for what type of material is use on balance wheel section below for different grade of movement, and shock system     Now that you have seen all this info are they the same grade or identical movement? |
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John Vargas 3T WIS
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Not whatsoever...thanks for sharing. |
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srh_pres 3T WIS
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John, first off welcome to 3T. Everyone here is free to express their opinions, as long as they arent disparaging to any other member. Personally I look forward to anything you can contribute to our forum from your WIS experiences. Based purely on what I have read on the Doxa forum of your recent travails there, sounds like you and Doxa are better off without each other - and I wish you the best with whatever you move onto. Again welcome aboard 3T! hand6.gif |
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John Vargas 3T WIS
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Thanks! |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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A typical deleted thread from the Doxa forum.Please take the time to read:)   |
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KenC Admin
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Typical of the attitude that Vargas came onto this forum with............and quite frankly, as a highly decorated and combat wounded former Army (Armor) Captain that did 2 combat tours in Vietnam (along with others here who valiantly served) as both a LRRP and an Infantry Company Commander, I take real exception to his abusing his military service to explain away his absolute rudeness! When you are wrong, you are wrong....stand up and take it like a man..........as any true current and/or former member of the US Military knows, one of the primary teachings is to take responsibility.....not just in word, but in deed! |
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John Vargas 3T WIS
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Basically what your doing, now...I learned a long time ago that someoe who says he is highly decorated, and wounded, and implies he is a hero is not. Any relation to John Kerry? I will let my DD-214m 2-1 and 201 file speak for themselves. Sorry Captain, you have no respect from me whatsoever. Other men are to call you highly decorated not yopurself. Vietnam ended 35 years ago. I would say welcome home to you, but I am going to say to you, you need to come home first. Now please excuse me while I go out and enjoy the day. To nice to waste in inside...forgive me, if I dont respin to any emails, threats or PM until later this eveining. I am going to enjoy life...sounds harsh I know, and you can delete it... I am glad I stopped buy, what they said was true about this place...I will carry the word on... |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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John Vargas wrote: I knew it wouldn't take long for thr real Vargas to come out:D:DFortunatetly the word you carry is BullS**t John and the thread above tells everyone what kind of person you really are....an a**hole...and a disrespectful POC imhohand6.gif Basically what your doing, now...I learned a long time ago that someoe who says he is highly decorated, and wounded, and implies he is a hero is not. Any relation to John Kerry? I will let my DD-214m 2-1 and 201 file speak for themselves. Sorry Captain, you have no respect from me whatsoever. Other men are to call you highly decorated not yopurself. Vietnam ended 35 years ago. I would say welcome home to you, but I am going to say to you, you need to come home first. |
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KenC Admin
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John Vargas wrote: Basically what your doing, now...I learned a long time ago that someoe who says he is highly decorated, and wounded, and implies he is a hero is not. Any relation to John Kerry? I will let my DD-214m 2-1 and 201 file speak for themselves. Sorry Captain, you have no respect from me whatsoever. Other men are to call you highly decorated not yopurself. Vietnam ended 35 years ago. I would say welcome home to you, but I am going to say to you, you need to come home first. Vargas..........I said I took exception to your using your military service to explain away your rudeness....I did not attack your military service. And yes, I will compare DD-214's with you anytime. I did not call my self a hero...anymore than you called yourself one by pointing out your campaigns and service. So what if Vietnam was a long time ago............so was WWII...do you want to dishonor those Vets too because of time? You are the complete a**hole....so post a copy of your DD-214 and I'll post mine and we will see who compares to John Kerry..........you are a scum sucking pig who continues to dishonor himself with your self-aggrandizing lies. Yes.........do go out an enjoy the day, As a matter of fact, go swimming....you'll be safe....S**t floats! As to my former welcome.................KISS OFF SCUMBAG we neither want nor need you whiny, pretentious ass around here. ADIOS LORD! Obviously you were fired over an ethics or honesty issue! |
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daanbc 3T WIS 
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WOW, What a good read. I should have copied it so I could take it into the can to read. LOL. I am still uncertain about this whole ordeal. I don't know what end is up? But I do believe in what Oscar and Ken do. If they say its cr-p, Then there must be something there for them to believe it. They are in no means people who trash talk around. In fact from what I have read/seen in the past, They actually hold back negativity. Especially oscar. So with that being said, thank you gentlemen for not deleating any posts, Im sure it is important info. for someone.hand6.gif |
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yamahaki Guest
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Sorry about what John said about doing service in nam. I salute you Ken for your tours of duty and any service medals awarded in the combat theater. You didn't ask for them, they were given by your peers. I served as pararescue in the Airforce, and it shaped my character in a positive manner. I just don't see what that has to do with johns attitude on customer service. I did cs for years. any customer with a concern should be addressed in a manner to aleviate there problem even if its off the wall. Thats how you get return customers. Again Ken, you don't here it enough, I have the ultimate respect to you for doing 2 tours in Nam and living to tell about it and end up with great character.hand6.gif |
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KenC Admin
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yamahaki wrote: Sorry about what John said about doing service in nam. I salute you Ken for your tours of duty and any service medals awarded in the combat theater. You didn't ask for them, they were given by your peers. I served as pararescue in the Airforce, and it shaped my character in a positive manner. I just don't see what that has to do with johns attitude on customer service. I did cs for years. any customer with a concern should be addressed in a manner to aleviate there problem even if its off the wall. Thats how you get return customers. Again Ken, you don't here it enough, I have the ultimate respect to you for doing 2 tours in Nam and living to tell about it and end up with great character.hand6.gif Sean, thank you for your kind words. I don't take anything that Vargas says at face value...regardless of the problems at DOXA, real or not, John Vargas has proven himself a man of no honor. The bottom line is that I did not attack his military service. It is easy to understand now why DOXA canned his scum sucking ass. I doubt that his sacking had anything to do with a "Pay raise"........it most likely had to do with his being a liar and a "thief". It strikes me as strange that after his childish outburst, he cannot now "discuss" or comment on anything. My educated guess is that it is because his lied, or, because DOXA has paid him to keep his mouth shut. Either way, it points directly to his character (or what would be character if he had any)......This man is definitively, the scum of the earth! No honor, no integrity................and a certain lacking in interpersonal skills!  He challenged me to compare DD Form 214............I accepted. As the challenger, the ball is now in his court to post his...........most certainly, he will not as he is a whiny dirtbag of a coward! |
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yamahaki Guest
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I saw the dd-214 challange. whats that about? Mine is up for revue to anyone who wants to see discharge papers, at least whats not blacked out:D |
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KenC Admin
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yamahaki wrote: I saw the dd-214 challange. whats that about? Mine is up for revue to anyone who wants to see discharge papers, at least whats not blacked out:D Well, said I was a highly decorated vet. I guess he doesn't belive me and stated he'd compare DD Form 214s with me.....it is the form that lists service, branch, MOS, awards, badges, etc.....your miliatry service on 1 sheet of paper kinda-thing! So, I'm waiting.....probably a 2LT in the Army AG (paper-pushing) Corp! |
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finzup 3T WIS 
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This is my first post on the 3T Forum. I have been participating @ WUS and other forums for a while and signed up here not only to join what I heard was a great Forum but also to learn more about the saga that's happened on the WUS DOXA forum. Boy have I learned something! I was just observing with no judgements being made, I just wanted to read the uncensored facts (if they do exist). But the most recent postings have prompted me to make two statements: 1) THANK YOU to O.A. Gaspar & KenC @ 3T (also to Eddie @ TX-UK, Mitch @ Ocean7 Fora/WUS and the moderators @ the Dive Fora/WUS) for providing the means and opportunity for watch enthusiasts to hang out, learn from each other and share experiences, all without the fear of censorship or heavy handed moderation. Hopefully mutual respect and common courtesy will continue to be the true regulators of our own postings. Sometimes this is not the case and those that do not exhibit these reasonable expectations deserve to get the flamed responses they have provoked. 2) THANK YOU to any and all current or retired Military, Law Enforcement, or Emergency Personnel for making sacrifices and putting your life at risk on a daily basis so that others around the world and in your local communities will be better off. My Grandfather served in WW2 with the Canadian Forces as a cook. Whether a highly decorated war hero or a cook, EVERY contribution to the military should be celebrated and appreciated. Wars are not won by one man or woman. Insulting or questioning someone's Military service is truly sad & pathetic. I completely understand KenC's reaction to JV's posting, JV's comments were completely uncalled for & just plain wrong. I am now wondering... if this forum gave J. Vargas the means to fully explain the situation and back-up all the claims he has made (not that I have seen them all but I am sure they are scattered around the internet somewhere) why has he not made a clear, concise and complete statement of ALL the facts so that others could read them and come to their own conclusions? Just lay them all out there, together in one posting. Frankly if JVargas does possess a JD degree then I would never want this guy for my lawyer! This is no way to present the evidence if you plan on winning over a jury. His methods would just land him in jail for contempt of court. Maybe this is why he was working in customer service for $12.00/ hour and not making $1000/ hour as a lawyer. But then who am I to judge. Just my CAD$0.02 worth. |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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I doubt John will ever work in the watch industry again because he can't be trusted...bottom line you don't bite the hand that feeds you:D as for him showing up here again I have my doubts as most trolls hit and run...that's their style...I will however thank John for creating a stir here..raising the post and view count and bringing Dr.Peter Millar and many other new members to 3T.....see something good came of all this discussion:) Maybe John can rep for this company now:D Attachment: turd_polish.jpg (Downloaded 118 times) |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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finzup wrote: Welcome to 3T finzup!!!hand6.gif Very well said and glad to have you onboard Buddy!cool10.gif This is my first post on the 3T Forum. I have been participating @ WUS and other forums for a while and signed up here not only to join what I heard was a great Forum but also to learn more about the saga that's happened on the WUS DOXA forum. |
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KenC Admin
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finzup wrote: This is my first post on the 3T Forum. I have been participating @ WUS and other forums for a while and signed up here not only to join what I heard was a great Forum but also to learn more about the saga that's happened on the WUS DOXA forum. Finzup........welcome to 3T. I can assure you that JohnV had every bit of board space he wanted. He was not censored, hewas no edited and he was not banned. Hell, he still isn't banned. In fact, the beginning of the thread gives him some support...and then he showed up, took peoples comments out of context and personally attacked them for it. That is when the board started showing him up for what he apparently is...a fraud. Thank you for your kind words about the military, and you are right on the money......a General of a PFC, they all make their own very important contributions......come to think of it, I never saw a General in a foxhole with an M-16!!!! We hope you find this a pleasent place to hang out also! |
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Watchdawg 3T WIS 
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Something just occured to me. Why hasn't John V. posted his proof? He started a firestorm that doesn't seem to be going out soon and also seems to be fanning the flames. Th DD214 thing is about as chickens**t as I have seen in a long time. My saying is , "Been there done that got the medical records to prove it". I have read Ken C's posts on various forums for quite awhile now and have the upmost respect for him. Instead of questioning DOXA I am now starting to question John V and his motivation behind this. Whatever benefit of the doubt I may have given John V is now gone. It might be time to throw the BS flag, John V now seems to be just another disgruntled employee who has been shown the door. |
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Johnny P Advisor
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KenC Admin
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Watchdawg wrote: Something just occured to me. Why hasn't John V. posted his proof? He started a firestorm that doesn't seem to be going out soon and also seems to be fanning the flames. Th DD214 thing is about as chickens**t as I have seen in a long time. My saying is , "Been there done that got the medical records to prove it". I have read Ken C's posts on various forums for quite awhile now and have the upmost respect for him. Instead of questioning DOXA I am now starting to question John V and his motivation behind this. Whatever benefit of the doubt I may have given John V is now gone. It might be time to throw the BS flag, John V now seems to be just another disgruntled employee who has been shown the door. Watchdawg...............thank you for the kind words, but mostly, welcome to 3T! |
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sleddog218 3T WIS
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I truly don't know how to take the Doxa stuff. I read as much as I could at WUS during some of the hubbub. Seems to me that alot of people made good points (Ernies forum, Doxa paid forum, no freedom of speech expected). I don't know any of the Doxa characters involved, frankly don't care. Not a big fan of the style myself, compared style vs. price and always saw something else I liked more. As far as what has gone on here, I've been taken a bit aback. After the first post or so here by JV, I thought some actual facts might come to light. Then, it hit the fan. The attack on Ken was absolutely ridiculous. The fact that he brought up his (JV's) own military record as some sort of proof of....something suprised me. But then to attack someone else's was beyond any excuse. Ken, I probably haven't said it before, but I think you know that I have nothing but the utmost admiration for you, and anyone else who served our country in uniform. The service you fulfilled in Vietnam was probably amongst the most difficult any of the men or women in uniform going back in time have ever had to serve. For that you have my gratitude and respect. If JV has served as he indicated, I respect him for that. But for that only. To attack someone else's record cannot be excused. Well. That all being said, this is the internet. I can't get too emotionally charged about something that doesn't really effect me in any way, shape, or form. I don't own a Doxa, more than likely never will. Not because of what I've read, but because I don't like the style personally. I really think this isn't over, one way or the other, and I look forward to reading the next installation. Take care all, and for those who weren't personally attacked, and have no financial stake in this at all, I wish you well. For those who do have a personal or financial stake, I hope this hasn't hurt you too much. I now conclude the longest post I've typed out in probably 2 or 3 years..happy1.gif Last edited on Fri Apr 6th, 2007 10:03 pm by sleddog218 |
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Paxman 3T WIS
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finzup wrote: This is my first post on the 3T Forum. I have been participating @ WUS and other forums for a while and signed up here not only to join what I heard was a great Forum but also to learn more about the saga that's happened on the WUS DOXA forum. Nicely stated and welcome to 3T!! |
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