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lordsinclair 3T WIS
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I am new here, but many will know me from WUS. My good friend Stephen (04lund2025) invited me over here, and I like what I see. I was in the thick of it the moment John V's thread was moved from the WUS Dive Forum (home for me) to the Public Forum, and I have a few observations to make, for what they are worth. What has ensued is an ugly mess that mostly has nothing to do with freedom of speech, or opinions about watches. WUS is a business, and Doxa pays WUS. End of story. Like it, or take a hike. Personally, I find WUS the most informative general-purpose board out there - and plenty free enough. Try saying half the stuff that gets discussed there on TZ.com and see how far you get. That does not mean, however, that I agree with the way Doxa moderates its own forum. I don't. In business you have to take the knocks, and some of the questions that get deleted are legitimate, i.e., the now infamous post inquiring as to the exact military specs of the MilShark. I think they do themselves a disservice by deleting posts/threads that they disagree with. However, many of the posts that I have read over time on that forum clearly had some kind of axe to grind. As was mentioned by one contributor in the aftermath of the recent crisis, posts along the lines of "If I was going to buy a Doxa, which I wasn't, then the fact that they are obviously made in China, and this guy wasn't given a pay increase, just confirms my suspicions blah blah blah" have absolutely no merit whatsoever. The fact that the poster then gets all indignant when it is deleted says more about his/her motives that it does about Doxa's. Likewise, endlessly debating the rules of that forum is a complete waste of time, and just makes the poster look like a malcontent with an ulterior motive, or worse, like an idiot who cannot understand that his/her admonishment ain't gonna change a thing. A quick trawl across a few of the boards today reveals a lot about the motives of many of the contributors to the recent Doxa debate. Quite how being banned from WUS can be perceived as a badge of honor is beyond me. As I said, I am a proud WUS member, and the ongoing Doxa saga detracts from my overall experience there. In a post I made in the thread by John P of Doxa, I said that both the company, and the self-styled Doxaholics, need to reach some sort of understanding - to the benefit of us all - given that the former clearly does not understand what granting unique access to the latter sets them up for. The Doxaholics defending Doxa are in many respects as much to blame for the situation as Doxa themselves. They re-define the word "demanding" as a group of consumers, and will hector and badger the company on the minutiae of every aspect of Doxa ownership. This can only act as encouragement to others with a different agenda. And of course, as I also said in that thread, ownership is not a prerequisite for participation in any forum on any board. Just common sense. I don't think we saw a lot of that these past few days - either from a disgruntled former employee, a watch manufacturer, their die-hard supporters, or those who just wanted to have a go. I enjoy intelligent, no-holds-barred, debate as much as anyone; that is what I hope to find here. But what I witnessed on WUS was something else entirely. |
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srh_pres 3T WIS 
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Good to have you with us... and thanks for your perspective on the recent events. I think you will find things very free around here as well... ;) |
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04lund2025 3T WIS
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Martin our very good friend!!!!!!!! We are very happy to see you here!!!!!!! hand6.gifhand6.gifhand6.gif Thank you very much for your perspective on what has happened and is happening. Stephen and Sandra The Bathys Hawaii King and Queen Last edited on Thu Apr 5th, 2007 05:18 pm by 04lund2025 |
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jsb806f Guest
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Welcome! |
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KenC Admin 
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Welcome........and I loved the dissertation! Right on the money. I've been a WUS poster for abut 5 years. |
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oagaspar Site Founder 
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Welcome to 3T Sinclair! hand6.gif you must be a fairly new WUS member because this Doxa incident doesn't even come close to some of the doozies Ernie has had there in the past 6 years!:D Happy to have you on boardwatch2.gif |
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lordsinclair 3T WIS
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KenC wrote: Welcome........and I loved the dissertation! Right on the money. I've been a WUS poster for abut 5 years. It was rather long, wasn't it? Sorry my first post here was a WUS/Doxa vent. Glad to get it of my chest, though. Thanks for the welcome, Ken.:) |
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lordsinclair 3T WIS
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O.A. Gaspar wrote: Welcome to 3T Sinclair! hand6.gif you must be a fairly new WUS member because this Doxa incident doesn't even come close to some of the doozies Ernie has had there in the past 6 years!:D Happy to have you on boardwatch2.gif Thanks, O.A.! I've been a WUS regular for about a year. Aside from Doxa, the only other real confrontation I've seen has been in the G-Shock tent - mostly of the "I know more than you do" kind. Anyway, glad to be aboard here at 3T.:) |
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lordsinclair 3T WIS
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srh_pres wrote: Good to have you with us... and thanks for your perspective on the recent events. I think you will find things very free around here as well... ;) Free is the way I like it. And intelligent, too! Thanks for the welcome!:) |
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lordsinclair 3T WIS
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04lund2025 wrote: Martin our very good friend!!!!!!!! We are very happy to see you here!!!!!!! hand6.gifhand6.gifhand6.gif Hope you are both well, my friends. And thanks for the introduction!:) |
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lordsinclair 3T WIS
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jsb806f wrote: Welcome! Thanks, jsb806f! |
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Watchdawg 3T WIS 
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I have always read your posts with interest, just like all the other people that I have found here that are on other forums. |
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mcwright Admin 
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I Bumped up your point size so we can all read it better. hand6.gif |
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Paxman 3T WIS 
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Welcome LS and nice summary on the whole Doxa incident. I do think Doxa does itself a disservice by being less than forthright. Shoot straight and let the chips fall where they may... At any rate, nice to have you on board!! |
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b2s 3T WIS 
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Welcome. I could not agree more with what you said abour WUS moderators' policies. Look forward for many more of your wisdoms cool10.gif |
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lordsinclair 3T WIS
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mcwright wrote: I Bumped up your point size so we can all read it better. hand6.gif Thanks! Not sure what I did to make it microscopic. Last edited on Thu Apr 5th, 2007 11:50 pm by lordsinclair |
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lordsinclair 3T WIS
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Paxman wrote: Welcome LS and nice summary on the whole Doxa incident. I do think Doxa does itself a disservice by being less than forthright. Shoot straight and let the chips fall where they may... Thanks, Paxman!hand6.gif Haven't seen you on WUS for a while. Last I read, you had been ripped off by some German dude. Did you ever get that resolved to your satisfaction? |
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lordsinclair 3T WIS
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b2s wrote: Welcome. I could not agree more with what you said abour WUS moderators' policies. Look forward for many more of your wisdoms cool10.gif Wisdom? Me? That must be a first!:D Thanks! |
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lordsinclair 3T WIS
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Watchdawg wrote: I have always read your posts with interest, just like all the other people that I have found here that are on other forums. Thanks, Dawg. Looks like 3T is a great place to talk watches!:) |
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04lund2025 3T WIS
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Martin you are way to modest, your posts are always elegant and well thought out. You are one of the best posters I have ever seen over on WUS. You can always put some one in their place.......and do it nicely. Just look at your first post here on 3T, enough said!!!!!! So we are very glad to have you aboard here at 3T!!!!!! Stephen and Sandra The Bathys Hawaii King and Queen |
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Paxman 3T WIS
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lordsinclair wrote: Paxman wrote:Welcome LS and nice summary on the whole Doxa incident. I do think Doxa does itself a disservice by being less than forthright. Shoot straight and let the chips fall where they may... I've stayed away from WUS both voluntarily and involuntarily. The Problems with the German seller ended up being somewhat resolved as one of our members was able to get some tracking done on my package via a connection and it turns out my return of the misrepresented watch never left the U.S. The whole thing led to me being banned temporarily as the seller needed to flip again and was cleared... despite having completely misrepresented a watch... Thanks for the memory!! And Welcome to 3T!! |
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