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KenC Admin 
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Perhaps I missed this, but due to legal complications, Steinhart Watches is changing its name to Debaufre on 1 July 2007. http://www.steinhartwatches.com/lp/history/Welcome.html |
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mcwright Admin 
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Thanks for the info! How the heck do you pronouce the new name? :shock: |
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Paxman 3T WIS 
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I believe Debaufre is French for "The Barf". Boy, that just rolls off the tongue... |
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tny795 3T WIS 
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Day-bow-fray? mcwright wrote: Thanks for the info! How the heck do you pronouce the new name? :shock: |
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oagaspar Site Founder 
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wonder if the name change makes them any better...nice little story though...reminds me of another old Swiss company from 1887 ...LeInvicta or was that S.DeCoifman |
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KenC Admin
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Paxman wrote: I believe Debaufre is French for "The Barf". Boy, that just rolls off the tongue... Didn't think a good ol' Wisconsin boy that could pronounce Favre would have any problem!!!  |
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mcwright Admin
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The problem with the name is that it doesn't fit the line of watches they sell. It fits with a line like Corum, but not their dive, GMT, and pilot watches for crying out loud. I can't imagine why they would pick a name like that unless the legal issues forced them to.  |
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Foster 3T WIS 
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They were supposedly threatened with a lawsuit by "another big watch company felt that our name was too close to theirs" Who was it? It couldn't possibly be Steinhausen who sells crap chinese watches and only took their name so they could conjure up images of IWC and Shaffhausen, could it? Does anyone know? |
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mcwright Admin
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Steinhausen is probably bigger than we think. That is the name that came to me when I read the article. If they have big money backers in the Orient, they could out spend Steinhart easily on legal fees, etc. |
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Matt V 3T WIS
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The name Steinhart first surfaced through Simon Steinhart, a gentleman who managed a well established watch company in the early 1900s. :X Oh brother.... how they are desperate to create ANY provenance to "real" watchmaking. As if this had anything to do with "Steinhart & Elbl GbR".... The other, much larger, watch company threatened to sue if we did not change our name and our logo. Hmmm.. the application for a trademark "Steinhart" http://tarr.uspto.gov/servlet/tarr?regser=serial&entry=76655806 wasn't successful (Current Status: An office action making FINAL a refusal to register the mark has been mailed. Date of Status: 2007-01-19) and the word is out about QA issues with their watches. Oddly enough, they already filed for trademark protection of the new name back in November 2006 (see the USPTO site). Foresight or Coincidence? :? How convenient to come up with this story ... and even continue to exploit it Here were are, a small independent company that, without even trying, made a much larger company feel threatened. Imagine that. Who would actually feel threatened by them? Steinhausen? :shock: But it gets better: The origins of the Débaufré name can be traced back to the year 1704, when in conjunction with Nicholas Facio, Jacob and Peter Débaufré were granted a patent for the application of jewels to the pivot holes of watches and clocks which revolutionized the art of watch-making, a practice so far ahead of its time that it still is used today in most mechanical watches. Honestly, I am turned off by such a desperate attempt to create a connection with watchmaking history and provenance. Dishonest fluff and unfortunately, many innocent buyers may fall for such a deception. :( fraud (frôd) pronunciation n. 1. A deception deliberately practiced in order to secure unfair or unlawful gain. 2. A piece of trickery; a trick. 1. One that defrauds; a cheat. 2. One who assumes a false pose; an impostor. Steinhausen, Klaus Kobec, Krug Baumen ... and now these guys! :X JM2C and YMMV Matt |
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mcwright Admin
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WOW! :shock::shock::shock: |
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IW 3T WIS 
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Just another example of the 3T knowledge base! hand6.gif |
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Paxman 3T WIS
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No scheisse!! What a crock... |
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Foster 3T WIS
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Way to make me feel stupid for buying one!!! Just kidding....I only bought one because every retarded admin at Big and Dumb was shilling them 5 or 6 months ago. I kind of thought they were, and when I got the watch, I realized I was right. So...who wants to buy my Steinhart? Last edited on Thu Jun 21st, 2007 08:05 am by Foster |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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Foster wrote: It may become a collectors item Foster ....you never know Buddy:) Hearing your thoughts on the Steinhart means alot with your WIS knowledge and I'm glad I stayed away hand6.gif Way to make me feel stupid for buying one!!! |
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Foster 3T WIS
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They really are not bad watches, but they are not the unbelieveable mind blowing value their paid spokesmen would have you believe. My main issue with mine is the thin bracelet. I also have an issue with the styling of the lugs and the fact that they do not curve and hug the wrist in any way...this makes the watch sit funny on the wrist. I know that is subjective, but it's what keeps me from wearing the watch. If a WIS really likes them they should take the time to find a Grovana or Robert and save a couple hundred dollars. Last edited on Thu Jun 21st, 2007 08:30 am by Foster |
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KenC Admin
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Matt......thanks for the insight!hand6.gif |
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e.avery 3T WIS 
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I purchesed mine for $375 brand new and think it is a great watch for the price, but then again what the hell do I know. You people kill me with what you all "know". |
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Foster 3T WIS
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Well, it's hard to praise my $550 Steinhart GMT Ocean 1 with its gloppy lume and tons of slop between the bracelet and lugs when it's sitting next to my $435 Hamlilton Khaki Navy GMT which is absolutly flawless. |
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Paxman 3T WIS
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I don't know much but I do know the new name is horrendous!! |
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Foster 3T WIS
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Looks like a hell of a watch for $375 Here is what I got for $550: See the springbar?  |
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Skipdawg 3T WIS 
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Very interesting information. I had looked at them before but never bought one. |
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canadajo 3T WIS 
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At first I thought it a joke ?!?!? I guess its for real ....but why Debraufear , or whatever ???? |
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e.avery 3T WIS
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Did you send it back considering that the holes are drilled to high on the case, and the end link was sanded to long or the entire mold for the case was out of spec.? |
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Foster 3T WIS
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Nope, but thanks to your insight I now wish I had. |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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e.avery wrote: I can only hope to gain your WIS knowledge Eric....TY for the great pics and insight!hand6.gif at $375. it looks like a great buy compared to what Foster received for $550.coyote2.gif I purchesed mine for $375 brand new and think it is a great watch for the price, but then again what the hell do I know. |
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JCKoLnturn 3T WIS 
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They look like a decent watch for the money and it was a toss up for me between an Ocean 1 and the Archimede pilot I ended up with. I just had to laugh at a post on another forum that suggested you should pick up a Steinhart labeled Ocean 1 before it becomes "a historical collectors item." Last edited on Thu Jun 21st, 2007 04:20 pm by JCKoLnturn |
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e.avery 3T WIS
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Foster if they are half the Co. they should be they will still warranty that is a blatant defect and just tell them, it up set you. I would replace it at no charge if it was one of mine period. You have had it about 1 year I think, I do not have a perfect memory, they should get you a new one. |
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Foster 3T WIS
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I've had it 6 months....I'll pull the paperwork when I get home. I have heard nothing but good things about their CS so.... |
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e.avery 3T WIS
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I wish you luck, if you have a problem with them PM me and I may know some one that can handle it. |
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Foster 3T WIS
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Thanks! |
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Blackwind 3T WIS
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Matt V wrote: The name Steinhart first surfaced through Simon Steinhart, a gentleman who managed a well established watch company in the early 1900s. Damn. I have been doing heavy research on the Steinhart/Debaufre Aircraft and Aircraft8 and thought it had to be to good to be true. Are there really as many QA issues with their watches? :( While I may never buy a Debaufre now...at least I found a very cool website oriented for those who love watches! The silver lining.... Last edited on Fri Sep 28th, 2007 02:03 pm by Blackwind |
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KenC Admin
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Blackwind wrote: Matt V wrote:The name Steinhart first surfaced through Simon Steinhart, a gentleman who managed a well established watch company in the early 1900s. Blackwind...welcome to 3T. I have a Steinhart MACH 1, with a VERY complicated Dubois Dépraz (DD 2020) movement factory built on the basic ETA 2824-2. I have had absolutely no issues with it. Wish I could say that for some other brands I have...like a 300M GMT that got wet in a rainstorm . I have heard very few, if any, complaints about Steinhart Quality or customer service! |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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Welcome to 3T BW!....I also have a Steinhart and have had nothing but great performance with themhand6.gif My only CS issue was handled promptly and taken care of immediatelycool10.gifI wouldn't pull up one members post and hold it to gospelwatch2.gif http://www.timetechtalk.com/view_topic.php?id=7703&forum_id=1&highlight=steinhart |
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srh_pres 3T WIS 
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I have the Steinhart GMT-Ocean1, Debaufre Aircraft-8 and Nav-B. Have had no problems with any of them, and Alldaron & Elsa at Debaufre have been great to deal with. hand6.gif |
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Blackwind 3T WIS
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Hmmmmm, I'm going to go ahead and call today and either order a Black SS Aircraft8 or the new Orange faced Airforce. With their 3 day policy I should have more then enough time to dicern whether or not its a watch worth keeping. Regards |
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srh_pres 3T WIS
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Cool... I thought about the orange airforce too. Well, lets see pics of whichever you get - hope you are pleased with it... hand6.gif Blackwind wrote: Hmmmmm, I'm going to go ahead and call today and either order a Black SS Aircraft8 or the new Orange faced Airforce. With their 3 day policy I should have more then enough time to dicern whether or not its a watch worth keeping. Regards |
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Blackwind 3T WIS
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Done. Airforce Orange ordered. Will post pictures .....good or bad...when it arrives. Camera_photos.gi |
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Blackwind 3T WIS
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Curious...any recommendations where I could find a good heavy rubber watch band for the Airforce? Not a big fan of leather....I tend to go through them like a dog through a leather chewie.  |
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srh_pres 3T WIS
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Check the WatchPrince (click icon on left of page)... Blackwind wrote: Curious...any recommendations where I could find a good heavy rubber watch band for the Airforce? Not a big fan of leather....I tend to go through them like a dog through a leather chewie. |
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Blackwind 3T WIS
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This is a review of the Debaufre Airforce Orange First let me state, I am almost ashamed to admit I did not in any way shape or form expect the quality of watch I received. Not even close. I was impressed from the second I opened the package and saw the box. While it may not seem important to some...its attention to detail. The box was a well made watchbox with the Debuafre emblem or crest on top. I liked it! The watch arrived with a hex tool for changing out the band.  The watch is well built and solid.    The window on the back is simply beautiful and the Swiss movement is very nice.   I expected a much larger watch for some reason and it actually is the same size of watch I wear almost every day. I consider my wrist small and the watch still looks great.   Its a beast for sure. I thought I would want to change the watch band out but after getting one look at the one it came with...I think I'll just order a few spares. The band is just as beautiful. The buckle is just as well made as the rest of the watch.   I thought I should include a picture of the crown and also to give an idea of how thick this watch really is.  I apologize for my poor picture taking and poor review skills. But I promised photos and thats the main thing. I'm new to wind ups so wasn't sure how many cranks to give it honestly...would love some advise. Last edited on Wed Oct 3rd, 2007 10:46 am by Blackwind |
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Blackwind 3T WIS
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Have been researching 24mm rubber or silicon watch straps and they are apparently few and far between...sheesh. |
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KenC Admin
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Blackwind wrote: Have been researching 24mm rubber or silicon watch straps and they are apparently few and far between...sheesh. CJ (canadajo) is the resident expert on rubber straps. If he doesn't respond to this post, then PM him! Also, for adding pictures, try this short tutorial! http://www.timetechtalk.com/view_topic.php?id=1825&forum_id=5 |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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Blackwind wrote: here is a link to the extensive list of strap vendors in our straps and accessories section of the forumwatch2.gif http://www.timetechtalk.com/view_topic.php?id=1283&forum_id=9 Have been researching 24mm rubber or silicon watch straps and they are apparently few and far between...sheesh. |
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Blackwind 3T WIS
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oagaspar wrote: Blackwind wrote: Thanks!! |
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srh_pres 3T WIS
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Great review AND pics Blackwind. As for winding, I always wind it fully just until you feel the resistance stopping you (dont try to torque it any further)... Blackwind wrote: I apologize for my poor picture taking and poor review skills. But I promised photos and thats the main thing. I'm new to wind ups so wasn't sure how many cranks to give it honestly...would love some advise. |
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KenC Admin
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Before my purchase of the MACH 1, I too was very leery about the Steinhart/Debuafre line...and was more than pleasantly surprised by the quality of the build. Enjoy! :) |
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Foster 3T WIS
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Wow....I really like that watch! goofy Now I need one. Last edited on Wed Oct 3rd, 2007 11:01 am by Foster |
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Blackwind 3T WIS
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I think the Aircraft 8 in black SS is next on my list....that is unless I find a Panerai for around 500-1k. :P |
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OldeCrow 3T WIS 
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I've been drooling at the Nav-B and the Triton I suspect I will have at least one of them for the new arrival section before too long ;) I've had as many as six Steinharts at the moment I am down to just One Ocean 1 and a Robert Posidon and a Robert Magnum. For those of you who just can't get over the new name you can find all your favorites with the "real" name still available through the german site: http://www.steinhartwatches.de/index.php?lang_nr=1 Different models are priced differently on the two sites so you just want to save a few bucks and buy whichever is cheaper. |
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zippofan 3T WIS 
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Blackwind wrote:Have been researching 24mm rubber or silicon watch straps and they are apparently few and far between...sheesh. Stan at Panatime/Nauticfish has a boatload of 24mm rubber straps, just got one for my Pseudo-Rhula. Great watch, congrats! hand6.gif Cheers, Griff Last edited on Wed Oct 3rd, 2007 05:37 pm by zippofan |
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Blackwind 3T WIS
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zippofan wrote: Blackwind wrote: link please! |
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OldeCrow 3T WIS
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http://www.panatime.com/24mmdiver.html |
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