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Danny S 3T WIS 
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Ocean7 a new manufacturer, has been building some nice divers at attractive prices. The newest idea "on the drawing board" is an updated rendition of the Omega Seamaster 600 "Plongeur Professional", the PloProf.   Interest is being gauged by commitments to a pre-order list. So if you've been hoping for an affordable PloProf alternative as much as I have.. you can make it happen! hand6.gif Last edited on Tue Aug 14th, 2007 10:11 pm by Danny S |
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srh_pres 3T WIS 
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I see we're both in for that one Dan... hand6.gif Mitch indicated this would have a COSC SW200 movement, availability sometime next year. :cool: |
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oagaspar Site Founder 
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Sorry all I see is a "Replica" not a "Homage"....absolutely no imagination watch company imho...not one O7 to date looks like an original design:(...and let's see a SW200 at eta prices to boot:D:P...bitch...rant ...moan...and I still want to see a O7 in personhand6.gif |
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Danny S 3T WIS
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Not original at all, can't argue with ya there! OTOH, I'm gonna applaud anyone brave enough to stand toe-to-toe with the Swatch group and attempt to deliver a watch that people want. (..it's by no means a sure thing yet) Given the number of Submariner clones out there it's surprising no one's done this one sooner!  |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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I agree Danny....I'm just waiting to see Omega/Swatch slam the door on this one...it is just too close on infringement:D:shock: |
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Scuba Steve 3T WIS 
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I see this watch as a true Homage. While other Ocean7 watches may resemble other watches this is mainly due to using off the shelf cases. I don't consider those models homage or clones but rather watches sporting a sub-contractors case. This watch will have the cases specifically made for this model. There is going to be enough difference in this model that I personally do not feel there will be any infringement. One of the most surprising things I have seen following this watches development is the support from actual Ploprof owners. I really felt there would be an outcry from the original owners but so far there has been none that I have seen. I am sure some will pop up but so far there have been quite a few original owners that have enthusiastically voiced their support and commitment to buy. I think most of this enthusiasm revolves around their personal knowledge of the quality product Mitch puts out and his revolutionary approach to let the buyers design the watches through their forum. I have owned 3 watches from this company and all were quality products. One watch, the LM-1 LE will never leave my possession. It is my overall favorite watch. If the LM-3 would of used C3 lume I might of said the same about it as well. The G-1 GMT is a fine watch but I rarely wore it so I sold it recently after I traded for a MarcelloC GMT. Oscar, I could send you my LM-3 to handle and try out if you wanted. Sorry, I am not going to chance sending my LM-1 and it getting lost in transit as it can't be replaced. I do believe you own an Enzo EMV or V001 though and they are basically the same watch. I believe you are a fan of Enzo's and Mitch is just as much a stand up guy and IMHO follows the same vision for quality Enzo does. He is also right there available every day and practices great customer service. Last edited on Wed Aug 15th, 2007 04:38 am by Scuba Steve |
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IanM 3T WIS 
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3Ters, I am an EX Ploprof 600 owner and my point of view is probably less than needed here, but... I lend my support to the Ocean 7 people and to those buyers who want to bring this good looking lump of metal into their lives. I do think that Omega will be peeved. But on the other hand, if the watch is affordable (and what do we call affordable these days, under say $2500USD, under $1000, can we get one for $500 that is truly a 600m watch?) then many more people can get the "look" if not the original watch. It is not like the company is trying to pass of their watch as "the" Ploprof - it is just an alternative from another watchmaker. With Ploprofs going from 2500 to 5000 to 7000 and now more like 10 to over 15000 USD for a minter - how many can ever enjoy owning something like the original? I felt like I had to "cash out" of the Ploprof experience at the top of that price range, because the watch I bought for a few hundred dollars in the 1970's was now worth so much, that it was starting to lose its special appeal - I knew it was different, but now so many have tried to demand them that the supply has dried up. What is the point of having a minter that you can't wear? It is like having a Ferrari and no keys! My only hope is that if Ocean 7 go ahead and make the "homage", then the quality of the watch should make it a match for the original - or maybe even better. The original stainless casing was notoriously easy to dent (no - not scratch - actually dent, and in particular the corners top and bottom outside the screw-down crown). Maybe the Ocean 7 model would be much nicer with a beadblasted finish like I see on so many of the great watches on this site. But please Ocean 7 - make the price reasonable and give the consumer some real value for the money we spend. If they do all that - I would buy one. Just my two cents... IanM |
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Scuba Steve 3T WIS
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Ian, your opinion is valued and it is good to hear from another PloProf owner (be it current or former). I am in on this one. Price wise, quoting Mitch, the owner of Ocean7 from their forum: "I just received the preliminary quotation. Using these numbers, the watch will sell for $879, for the version with a sapphire bezel top. That includes an extra bezel and associated hardware. If we don't use the sapphire top and go with a plain acrylic bezel, the cost will decrease by around $75-$100, still including an extra bezel". Last edited on Wed Aug 15th, 2007 04:40 am by Scuba Steve |
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IanM 3T WIS
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Hi Scuba Steve The price seems right, and the style is still under review. This could be one of the best and most interesting bargains we have seen in a long time! Thanks for letting me rant... IanM |
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steve6387 3T WIS 
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I'd be surprized if Omega/Swatch didn't push back on this project. But we'll see soon enough, I suppose. If I were Mitch, I'd get a meeting with the right person over at Omega and explain the goal/idea to try to get them onboard with the idea of a "homage." I'd do this after consulting with my attorneys so I have some idea of what options I'd have if they react poorly. As far as the watch itself. I applaud the effort, but I've never really understood the attraction of this watch and won't be in line to get one. The legacy and heritage are there, I guess. But the attraction just escapes me. For me, it's like The Greatful Dead and Phish. Massive followings, so there has to be something there.... but I don't get it. |
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rare m5 3T WIS
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Here's a dumb question.. what's the functionality of the red cap? Last edited on Wed Aug 15th, 2007 12:27 pm by rare m5 |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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I love this forum and not just because I am biased:D Both Steve's and Ian your input has been spot on enlightening to meand exactly the responses I was looking for in stirring my own pot:P Steve I would love to see the LM-3 and would really like to own one more so!hand6.gif I am a fan of Enzo's and I know the case/bracelet well and hear the dial on the LM-3 is Awesome....I applaud Mitch for his fortitude and have very nice responses from him via e-mail...he is one of the good guys imho and he answers questions head on and doesn't try to avoid telling the truth..I have much respect for him yourock.gif If the O7 Ploprof sells for the estimated price I will try to get one as I did with the LM-1 and LM-3 unfortunately those loyal to the O7 forum get 1st dibs and the initial discount which I can see in some way as being fair ....but we have Berg/Enzo/Marc IW/Ted UTTrading here at 3T and everyone gets 1st dibs/discounts just for being a member....even those who have never posted but read the forum daily do.... which I can whole heartedly agree that not everyone has time to post as I rarely have time to post anywhere else but here but read many watch forums daily:) So my question is why aren't all members of WUS given the same courtesy...O7 is a fora within the WUS community of fora watch2.gifAs far as the members at the O7 fora's input on design that is a fine line imo as Mitch provides the design that is used beforehand from what I have seen and the members input may be as far as aestethetics or add-ons they would like to see...if I am wrong please correct me....Berg/Enzo have offered to do a full forum design here at 3T presenting cases/hands etc. that can be used and it will happen soon but should we cut out all non participating/posting members?:? |
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Danny S 3T WIS
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rare m5 wrote: what's the functionality of the red cap? My best guess is that the red cap is primarily to preserve the "look" of the original. Functionally, the red cap on the Ocean7 will unscrew to vent a He release valve (since this watch will be rated for saturation dive depths). Actually, the red cap mimics the bezel lock release button of the vintage PloProf. |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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rare m5 wrote: If I'm not mistaken it is a bezel lock/releasehand6.gif Here's a dumb question.. what's the functionality of the red cap? |
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steve6387 3T WIS
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Deleted content. Redundant as Danny beat me 2 the punch. --Steve Last edited on Wed Aug 15th, 2007 03:13 pm by steve6387 |
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Scuba Steve 3T WIS
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Oscar, in reality all WUS members are given a shot at a discounted watch from Ocean7. There is a specified number of watches put up for discount sale and if you add your name to the commitment list you normally get the watch. The LM-3 was offered to original LM-1 owners at a discount price and it was then announced that a limited number of non owners could get in on it by simply adding their names to the list. I myself missed out on the LM-2 discount by hesitating to add my name to the list as I really wasn't interested in a Ti watch. Now that I own one I kick myself in the butt. I recommend anyone that truly wants this piece to add their name to the current poll/thread committing to buy. It was said that those not on that list can expect to pay more for this piece. In comment to Oscar's other comment about forum relationships I just love this. Enzo's relationship here brought me here and I am so glad I found this place. Since coming here I have learned about Orsa and jumped on the opportunity to enjoy the 3T LE. I post a bit at WUS but it is normally only in the Ocean7 or the Dive forum. Those two sections are still a bit less "attitude free." Here, I can comfortably cruise all the fora areas and feel like I am at home. I probably have made less than 10 posts at WUS since finding a home here. |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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Danny was kind enough to send me the pre-registration info and I committed myself to the LM-7hand6.gif ...and TY Scuba as I stand corrected on my misinformation about O7 and humbly apologize for misleading anyone:)I probably had 8000 or more posts at WUS before the crash and I do read the Doxa and Dive forum weekly ...I have found that the info and discussions posted here are accurate and well thought out and all our members are very well informed as well as receptive to new WIS seeking to learn as we are all still doing regardless of how many years we have been addicted to this ever evolving hobby!yourock.gif |
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Scuba Steve 3T WIS
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Not to get off topic but I also wanted to add to my above post that since jclevoy, a member here obtained moderator status in the Doxa forum on WUS it is more fun to read the Doxa forum daily there as well. Didn't want him to think that the Dive and O7 forums were the only ones I liked there. He is a great asset there and to Doxa and if I ever have a Doxa question I know who to go to. What is nice is I can post the questions here now and hopefully get an expert reply. ;) I believe Dr. Pete lurks here as well and is a gentleman I truly respect. smile8.gif |
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IanM 3T WIS
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Oscar and all (careful - this is a long post) I have been a 3T "watcher" for a while now, and found myself reading your post like a bona fide 3T'er! Since introducing myself, the forum has made me very welcome - and I am enormously grateful. I have found that I can easily trust the forum members! Hey - I am Australian - I was suspicious... but I am certainly not suspicious any longer now that I can have a chat and get to know you all. 3T is the bomb as far as I am concerned - friendly, informative and populated by people young and a little older who just love their watches. Yes, Steve, 3T is a bit like a "home", but as for the other fora - to each his own. IMO the business of making specific watches available to forum members is generally a good practice. As just one example, when designed with input from 3Ters, Berg has created some very special Orsas, and I am on the list (I hope...) for a blue Monstrum (still want that steel bacelet!). It is true that if you can give the consumer what they want, you will sell your product. If 3T and Berg are going to do another special Orsa run - then I am in on it without hesitation. I have committed to getting the LM-7 (O7 Ploprof) on the O7 forum because I think it would bring back the memory of my old Ploprof (I sold it a couple of months back) without the excessive cost. To me it is a "look" thing - and also the way I feel when I wear something unusual, unique, special or rare. Honestly - it doesn't matter to me that only a few people know the trouble I go to to locate and buy my horological toys, or that some of these things I buy mean nothing to anybody but me - it is a passion with me, and not a way of showing off. I like the idea that I can purchase something special because I am a "member". If the 3T guys decide to restrict the way in which their special designs go into the market, then I see no problem with making them available (to members only) at a fixed price - regardless of whether the members have been active or inactive. Discounts to members like the one on the O7 site for the LM-7 only make me believe that the production run might not be as limited as members might think, and that normal retail buyers will have access to a high number of watches NOT sold to the O7 membership. At least with Berg it is clear - you get 20, 25, 50 or 100, and then they are gone. Surely Berg's idea is the more believable, and the better long term outcome for collectors and committed members? A fixed run is a fixed run, and I have read here that O7 stick to their word about how many units they produce - I might be out of line, then. As for the dilemma about inactive members getting the same deal as active members - here is an idea. Let's say that if Berg makes 100 of each model, and his special pricing is only available to 3T members (active or inactive), then why not restrict the purchasers from being able to sell their special watches for about 12 months after they get them, to get rid of the speculators? If the buyer does sell (and some might have to - I understand...) - then they are off the list for other special Orsa watches. It isn't impossible - Ferrari and many other companies do it by making a list of persons who want the product and aren't speculators, and target marketing them only "by invitation". But it does kinda create a class of "elite" charcters that makes other people jealous. Just throwing the cat amongst the pidgeons... And it is only an opinion! Don't shoot me! I am a lawyer and I talk a lot....:? IanM |
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srh_pres 3T WIS
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Well congrats on going for the LM-7 Oscar... welcome to the O7 club! hand6.gif oagaspar wrote: Danny was kind enough to send me the pre-registration info and I committed myself to the LM-7hand6.gif ...and TY Scuba as I stand corrected on my misinformation about O7 and humbly apologize for misleading anyone:)I probably had 8000 or more posts at WUS before the crash and I do read the Doxa and Dive forum weekly ...I have found that the info and discussions posted here are accurate and well thought out and all our members are very well informed as well as receptive to new WIS seeking to learn as we are all still doing regardless of how many years we have been addicted to this ever evolving hobby!yourock.gif |
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canadajo 3T WIS 
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I would like one and I am going to look into it |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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Yep Stevo I decided I better get on the O7 Ploprof and check one out up close!cool10.gifI passed on a original last year at $1800. and yes I'm kicking myself now:D Ian you have been a very welcomed and informed member here at 3T and it seems with our growth many new/old WIS are finding out that a forum can be run by it's members and that open discussion can be enjoyed by allhand6.gif |
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IanM 3T WIS
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Thanks again Oscar! IanM |
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Scuba Steve 3T WIS
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Ian, you are correct about selling watches bought at special prices. For example, I agreed not to sell my Ocean7 LM-3 for at least 6 months on the forums sales area or I believe on eBay as well. There was no restriction to sell it lets say if you were my neighbor and I wanted to sell it to you. I just can't advertise it over the forum sales areas. I have absolutly no issue with this agreement at all. It is a good idea. |
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IanM 3T WIS
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Hi Steve I guess the question is whether the administrators want to a. control the sale of 3T "special watches" ( and it looks like we are talking specifically about Orsa here...) to only active members; b. control (to a certain extent) the manner and time that inactive members resell their watches into the general marketplace to preserve values and prevent a "fire sale"; or c. secure a discount from the manufacturer for 3T members who have been "loyal" and who deserve a bit of a discount - while those too slow or off the forum have to pay retail. But then again - Berg keeps selling everything he can make, so it is a bit academic! And good on him, I say. Beautiful watches... IMHO there are good reasons for all of those goals - and I hope everyone's best interests are met. I'm a newbie. I enjoy the participation, and I simply look forward to the time that my words turn into actions and I can get my hands on some more of the fabulous watches that members have accumulated on the site here. Thats an enviable collection you have there Steve - I have a while to go before I catch up! And while you guys wake up - I am off home now for a rest at the end of the working day. Good talking to you - Cheers - IanM May the worst bit of your future be as good as the best bit of your past. |
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srh_pres 3T WIS
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Here's the latest revision to the LM-7 design... |
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canadajo 3T WIS
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HEY PREZ ..... is that a blue dial ??? .....kinda carribean colors .....I perfer that alot !!!! me likey !!!! |
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srh_pres 3T WIS
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Yep, deep blue... I like the way this one's evolving...:dude: canadajo wrote: HEY PREZ ..... is that a blue dial ??? .....kinda carribean colors .....I perfer that alot !!!! me likey !!!! |
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srh_pres 3T WIS
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Hey Oscar... is Eddie gonna do his "ProfPlo"? |
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IanM 3T WIS
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Now THAT is looking good! Dark blue dial - superb! Glad I am on that list... IanM |
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Paxman 3T WIS 
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Boy am I mixed over this one. The design and homage is either a love hate to me and I waffle from one to the other... Is 07 in the business of making homage watches?? |
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Scuba Steve 3T WIS
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Paxman wrote: Boy am I mixed over this one. The design and homage is either a love hate to me and I waffle from one to the other... I don't feel any of the other Ocean7 watches are homage. They use off the shelf cases that others have used before so a few of the watches look similar to to others so some call them homage. Others may see it different than me though. rev_smile.gif |
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canadajo 3T WIS
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all I can say is homage or not I want one ......I would have to sell half my collection to buy an Omega ploprof and Im not gonna do that |
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srh_pres 3T WIS
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Mitch has always said that the 'inspiration' for the start of Ocean7 with the LM-1LE was the "PloProf"; as can be seen in the use of the plongeur dial and hands but with a unique case (not off -the-shelf, 'mold' was destroyed after production run). The LM-7 is a return to his original inspiration - with some twists. I look forward to getting one of these on my wrist as well. ;) Scuba Steve wrote: Paxman wrote:Boy am I mixed over this one. The design and homage is either a love hate to me and I waffle from one to the other... |
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Scuba Steve 3T WIS
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I couldn't remember if the LM-1 was an original mold or not. I was thinking it was inspired by something else but you just reminded me that it indeed was inspired by the PloProf and I do remember he stated the molds were destroyed. |
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srh_pres 3T WIS
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I just checked the pre-order thread and Mitch has locked me in for #47 - to match my LM-1LE and LM-2 serial numbers... hand6.gif |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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srh_pres wrote: I know he has considered it and there is a thread on it at TZ-UK ..here was his reply when someone mentioned Mitch was doing it:D I'll wait to see whether he gets castrated by Omega and if he doesn't, then I'll do it right.  Eddie Hey Oscar... is Eddie gonna do his "ProfPlo"? |
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