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MarkJnK 3T WIS 
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Hi all I received the Fortis Marinemaster watch today. Initially, I was pleased with it, although when I attempted to size the bracelet, one of the link retaining screws sheared off instead of unscrewing. I was willing to let that slide. Once I sized the bracelet, I wound the watch about 40-50 times, set the time to the time.gov website. After about 2 hrs it was running +1 second. Then an hour later, it stopped! :shock: I was puzzled. I wound the watch again, and it ran for about 15 seconds then stopped again. I shook the watch a little, and it started to run again. Now it has been running for about 30 minutes. Obviously, I am very concerned. Any ideas from you good folks as to what might be going on here?? Should I just return it to the seller or have it serviced (at his expense)? Mark |
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Skipdawg 3T WIS 
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Wear it for a good 3 to 4 hours letting it get wound good on the wrist. If that issue still exist I would then see about returning for servicing. Possible the watch had sat in the box for awhile. Some times the movement oils can gunk up but that dose not always require service. Sometimes it can be worked loose and be fine after several hours of working. Hoping for the best for you there. ;) |
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MarkJnK 3T WIS
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Skipdawg wrote: Wear it for a good 3 to 4 hours letting it get wound good on the wrist. If that issue still exist I would then see about returning for servicing. Possible the watch had sat in the box for awhile. Some times the movement oils can gunk up but that dose not always require service. Sometimes it can be worked loose and be fine after several hours of working. Hoping for the best for you there. ;) Thanks Skip, that is what I was hoping to hear. I'll wear it and see how it performs. I assume that if the problem persists, that it is likely a simple fix for a repairman? Lube it or possibly a hair or dust in the movement? |
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Skipdawg 3T WIS
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Yea if that is it a simple cleaning should do the trick. :) My brother had a Invicta that was acting like that. But after wearing it all started working fine by the next day. ;) |
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srh_pres 3T WIS 
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Yeah I think Skip is right on the money... hope it keeps on ticking.. watch2.gif |
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e.avery 3T WIS 
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Is this watch new? |
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MarkJnK 3T WIS
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Hi Eric, yes the watch is new with warranty. The seller has provided me with the Canadian repair facility. Knock on wood, its been running good since my first post... |
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jsb806f Guest
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Can't you simply return the watch? At that price point it should run out of the box. |
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e.avery 3T WIS
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At least I would send the link in to get another one. For some reason it sounds as though it was winding by you moving the watch while you were twisting the crown, and not from winding. Give her a shot and I would be interested in the progress of the break in. Just a thought, but pooling should not be an issue with that piece. |
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MarkJnK 3T WIS
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jsb806f wrote: Can't you simply return the watch? At that price point it should run out of the box. I suppose I could, but I haven't pushed the seller for that resolution yet. I'm sure he would not refund my shipping ($30) or return shipping (another $20-30), so then I'm out $50-60. Since he is not a dealer, this was his only one, and I got an incredible deal on it (hmmm, makes you wonder) I can't simply ask for a replacement. Given how much I saved on the purchase price, it might be easier if I keep it and have it warrantied locally or have my local watch guy give it a quick service. As of now, it is running +4 after 7 hrs. Lets see how it does overnight. Looking forward to seeing that lume dial at 3am :) |
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MarkJnK 3T WIS
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e.avery wrote: At least I would send the link in to get another one. For some reason it sounds as though it was winding by you moving the watch while you were twisting the crown, and not from winding. Give her a shot and I would be interested in the progress of the break in. Just a thought, but pooling should not be an issue with that piece. Hi Eric, good point about the link, although I removed 3 links for my 7" wrist, it is not likely that I'll ever need it. By "pooling" you mean that the lubrication pooled and is not where it is supposed to be? You don't think this is likely on this movement? Regarding your thought that the watch wound iteslf by movement rather than the crown winding isn't likely the cause, as the watch was not running when it arrived, and started to run as I wound the crown, so I am pretty certain that the crown winding did work. I'll report further tomorrow and let you all know how it fares. Thanks to all for your help so far! |
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e.avery 3T WIS
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Pooling is an industry term and can only be seen by a binocular microscope. It refers to the way the lubricants collect on the jewels and shafts of the gears and wheels. If it took 40 winds to get the movement to activate for that short of a cycle, and the crown was the method by which the power was getting to the spring. Then you have major problems, that will not correct them selves. With out having it in my hands any thing is just a guess. I will ask my watch makers when they get to work in a couple of hours and get back to you. |
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Paxman 3T WIS 
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Mark, sorry to hear of your troubles with the Marinemaster. I can tell you mine sized easily and ran like a champ out of the box. Personally I would watch it closely and think it might be best if serviced. something isn;t right if it didn't run after a good winding. Please keep us updated. |
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MarkJnK 3T WIS
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Update, as of 10:05am this morning, the watch has been running glitch-free since my intitial post yesterday at 3pm. It is at +9sec after 19hrs. Assuming it doesn't glitch again, I will wear it for another day, then let it run down to check the reserve. |
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Skipdawg 3T WIS
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Sounding good. I'll cross my fingers for ya there. :cool: ;) |
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canadajo 3T WIS 
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hmmmmm....it sounds strangly just like the situation I had with my Longines spirit ..... I tried winding it and it did exactly like you described, and it acted the same as your fortis ....I got worried and read up on the movement to make sure I didnt do something wrong ...I then eventually just wore it and it ran okay after wearing it for a day ....it ran 10 seconds fast per 12 hours at first .....it settled down after a month or so ....now it runs 2-6 seconds fast per 24 hours .....it runs perfect now .... I was sure it was busted and I was going thru stuff to see where to send it .....I thought mabey it was stuck with lube ???? Hopefully yours will do the same ...it is a great watch ...It is possibly my favorite as I have the black version....good luck |
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MarkJnK 3T WIS
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canadajo wrote: hmmmmm....it sounds strangly just like the situation I had with my Longines spirit ..... I tried winding it and it did exactly like you described, and it acted the same as your fortis ....I got worried and read up on the movement to make sure I didnt do something wrong ...I then eventually just wore it and it ran okay after wearing it for a day ....it ran 10 seconds fast per 12 hours at first .....it settled down after a month or so ....now it runs 2-6 seconds fast per 24 hours .....it runs perfect now .... I was sure it was busted and I was going thru stuff to see where to send it .....I thought mabey it was stuck with lube ???? Hopefully yours will do the same ...it is a great watch ...It is possibly my favorite as I have the black version....good luck Interesting... good to know my problem is not unique. Still ticking away at +9 since yesterday... I'm feeling better about it. Thanks! |
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e.avery 3T WIS
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It usually only happens on watches that have been setting around a very long time and the oil pools. My advice and my staff is that wear it and if it works fine enjoy, do not push the service interval window, and the best thing to do is check the power reserve. If it is shorter than normal than the friction in the movement is to great and it needs a service as soon as possible if not sooner. |
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MarkJnK 3T WIS
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e.avery wrote: It usually only happens on watches that have been setting around a very long time and the oil pools. My advice and my staff is that wear it and if it works fine enjoy, do not push the service interval window, and the best thing to do is check the power reserve. If it is shorter than normal than the friction in the movement is to great and it needs a service as soon as possible if not sooner. That is great advice Eric, Thanks! I'll do exactly that. BTW, what business are you in? Sounds like you have a staff of watchmakers? |
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e.avery 3T WIS
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Yes, one of the companies that my family are involved in is a subcontractor for some of the companies in the watch industry. Personally it is really not my thing, but understanding the direction that the business should take, does not require me to do much hands on watch work. My personal experience is in design and business. I right now am closely watching value of international currency. I have this wild idea that to get the politicians in Iraq to work together we will have to start trading the Dinar on the exchanges. It would get them off of the dollar and help improve the life of the average Iraqi by dealing with the devaluation and rampant inflation. If I was going to make that happen I would consider doing it in the second quarter of next year. Just a thought, more than likely in left field. Sorry for the long answer, but you did ask. |
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Skipdawg 3T WIS
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Very interesting and I also agree with getting Iraq off the US currency. To many countries use it now. As with anything the more of it there is the less it is worth. Look at watches. Great example in most cases. :cool: |
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MarkJnK 3T WIS
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Thanks for the explanation Eric, sounds very interesting and fascinating. Anything that can bring the middle east closer to peace is a good thing. Good luck with that. You sound like a very multi-faceted guy, with a great eye for photography as well hand6.gif |
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e.avery 3T WIS
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Thanks, both of you. Mark, I hope the pic helps you and your cause, we all have battles to fight. Good luck on the watch. |
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MarkJnK 3T WIS
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Mystery solved! I noticed that the dial was slightly misaligned, so I opened the watch up to realign the dial (done this many times on watches). Well to my horror, when I opened it, there was one of the retaining tabs and a sheared off screw head flying around loosely in the case. I suppose that when the watch stopped yesterday, it was as a result of the screw head getting into the works, and then working free when I shook the watch. So, I am now waiting to hear beck from the seller about a resolution. The problem will be removing the broken screw from the movement. If that can be accomplished, then a new screw will fix it. Any hints on how to safely remove the screw stump from the hole in the movement? Attachment: sheared screw.jpg (Downloaded 28 times) |
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MarkJnK 3T WIS
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another pic of the broken screw and tab Attachment: tab.jpg (Downloaded 42 times) |
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MarkJnK 3T WIS
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By the way, I'm quite surprised to see only two retaining tabs in this watch. Given the harsh environments it was designed for, I would have expected three tabs for security. |
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e.avery 3T WIS
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None on my end that would not require the movement to be disassembled and cleaned. It is not that big of a deal to a watch maker but I would never even think about working with it on your own. Send it to Fortis and they will resolve it. Having met that bunch before they will give you a new movement, dial, and etc.. That is odd and I am sure there is a story there. |
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e.avery 3T WIS
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The tabs being set between the spacer so that they can not turn is a good design. The movement should be dial retained and the spacer should come in contact with the case back like my Spacematic and Flyer. |
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MarkJnK 3T WIS
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Hi Eric, The spacer does not seem to come in contact with the caseback. Due to the missing retainer, the chapter ring has a slight gap on one side between it and the crystal. This gap can easily be eliminated with slight pressure on the spacer where the retainer should be. This gap does not close when the caseback is installed. I expected that it would and was surprised when the gap remained. |
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e.avery 3T WIS
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Mark, If you get a chance can you take a pic of the entire movement. |
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MarkJnK 3T WIS
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Here you go Attachment: FortisMM_mvmt.jpg (Downloaded 35 times) |
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e.avery 3T WIS
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Thanks, They will pull the screw out and repair it. I have never purchased one of there divers, I guess they put the money in the case and movement. The temp. of the metal, the decoration on the rotor, and the parts are right get them to repair it and you will love it. If you want a really expensive repair try getting one of Vincente Calabese's movements serviced. Relax it will not take long to get repaired. |
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Paxman 3T WIS
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I hope this all works out for you, Mark. This has really turned into a great thread with a lot of good information, though. |
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