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Blackwind 3T WIS
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I'm resigned to never actually owning a real Panerai unless I win the lotto so I'm looking for a quality true Swiss movement Panerai look alike. Any suggestions? Thanks in advance.... |
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hucky 3T WIS 
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Aristo Ticino, Intl Watchman, tough customer service RXW mm 20, in the range of 1200 to 1500 dollars This is your best bet for swiss Fun beaters Last edited on Wed Oct 3rd, 2007 12:46 pm by hucky |
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Blackwind 3T WIS
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Are there any Japanese versions even worth looking at? I hardly know anything about movements, but what I do know is Swiss..... |
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KenC Admin 
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I've always liked my Marine Diver...Asian case, sapphire crystal, ETA2824-2...had it for over 2 years with no problems. Around $300 to $400.  |
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Blackwind 3T WIS
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Wow. Thanks KenC! Thats a beauty! I'll call them now......I'm not sure finding this site was a good thing now. LOL smile8.gif |
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hucky 3T WIS
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Good luck on the call, Let us know how the customer service was. Thanks  Last edited on Wed Oct 3rd, 2007 02:26 pm by hucky |
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jdmac 3T WIS 
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Blackwind wrote: Wow. E.Avery had one for sale on the Sales board. PM him, he may have it!!!!!! $325.00 |
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Skipdawg 3T WIS 
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There is also a good deal here right now. ;) http://forums.timezone.com/index.php?t=tree&goto=3150542&rid=0 Jump fast if interested. :cool: |
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OldeCrow 3T WIS 
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there's also this eBay dealer http://stores.ebay.com/Exclusive-Watches-Inc-UK great quality who knows where it really comes from but the movements are real swiss. |
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NANDO-FERDZ 3T WIS 
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I agree with OC on the quality and movement. In fact I've got the SS and Ti version from this seller and both are superb. Goodluck!!! OldeCrow wrote: there's also this eBay dealer |
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Blackwind 3T WIS
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I went and looked at the one on Ebay however....I'm wanting a black stainless. I received an email from Ron this morning and plan on buying one from International Watchman Inc. This one to be precise. :) Marine Diver Auto PVD....quoted 425...  |
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chris s. 3T WIS 
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e.avery 3T WIS 
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I have been happy with my International Watchman, and I also got good CS. I have only bought one watch from him though. I just do not wear watches that are that large. |
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Blackwind 3T WIS
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While this is an old thread, I thought I'd update on the specifics of my quest. :D Since about October, I have been seeking the ulitmate in Panerai homage and have sought far and wide for that perfect watch. This forum was instrumental in many aspects of that search and the education on different specifics that make Panerai...well, a Panerai. I ALMOST pulled the trigger on a International Watchman...but decided to excercise patience and keep searching. I have been to so many forums sometimes I forget which one I'm on. I have seen pretty much all of them....homage, replicas that look like utter crap and replicas that were so amazing in detail it was almost mind blowing in their execution. My focus has been homage, I'm not a big fan of replica anything. I believe in giving credit where credit is due in that respect. A great homage on the other hand I personally find, acceptable. They say that imitation is the greatest form of flattery, and when executed well...makes it worth while. I wanted to get your impression on this one in question. I have been very impressed with the parts and labor placed into it.       This was the first attempt above using a JimmyFu watch case that apparently is the pinnacle for great homage or replicas alike. I believe a standard Swiss ETA 6497-1 was used for this one above. Then....he pulls this out! face4.gif    To create....THIS!        I believe, I have found what I'm looking for.  |
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srh_pres 3T WIS 
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perfect.gif esp with that Hamilton movement... very cool... hand6.gif |
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Paxman 3T WIS 
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I concur... you have found what you're looking for. I love the sandwich dial and the Hamilton movement is simply delicious icing on the cake. I am diggin it. If you have a moment how about a PM with more details... like how does a guy get one? TIA! perfect.gif |
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Blackwind 3T WIS
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PM sent! |
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NANDO-FERDZ 3T WIS
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Wow. That's the best PAM homage that I've ever seen with the HAMILTON movement. Congrats!!! Where did you get it from and how much did you pay for it? Kindly PM me the details if you don't mind. TIA -Nando Last edited on Fri Dec 28th, 2007 12:04 am by NANDO-FERDZ |
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Blackwind 3T WIS
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I hope I'm not breaking any trust barriers with divulging information on price but here are the specs on price etc....Personally, considering the craftmanship applied, etc....I find the prices acceptable. post content removed....seller of these watches is a known replica dealer/modder Last edited on Fri Dec 28th, 2007 10:43 am by |
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NANDO-FERDZ 3T WIS
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Thanks for the information and for the PM. It's a little pricey but I'm sure it's worth it. |
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murphy j 3T WIS 
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That's one sweet looking homage. |
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oagaspar Site Founder 
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It's a nice homage...but a very important fact has been left out about the seller of these homages and that is he is a known replica dealer/modder....so with that said I would say buyer beware!:D....I have never seen a Hammy pocket watch movement(Unitas 6497) that was not signed "Hamilton U.S.A" or "Hamilton,Lancaster P.A." (note this one is not)and it would be just as easy for a replicater to stamp out a movement saying "Hamilton" as it would "Panerai" and sell it for a astronomical price(if it were a much lower price it may be worth owning)but a replica that doesn't state a name on the dial but on the movement only is still a replica imho.....if I'm wrong I apologize but call me "better safe than sorry" as I would stick to a homage made by someone with a rep other than rep-lica!:D:D:D |
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Blackwind 3T WIS
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oagaspar wrote: It's a nice homage...but a very important fact has been left out about the seller of these homages and that is he is a known replica dealer/modder....so with that said I would say buyer beware!:D. I was unaware of that fact and consider it important to know. |
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Blackwind 3T WIS
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Question, due to all the information on this topic and what has been learned...what would, in the forum members opinion...be an ACCEPTABLE price for this creation? Personally I'd prefer a true ETA swiss movement....:? |
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KenC Admin
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Blackwind wrote: Question, due to all the information on this topic and what has been learned...what would, in the forum members opinion...be an ACCEPTABLE price for this creation? Personally I'd prefer a true ETA swiss movement....:? Unitas, along with Valjoux, is owned by ETA which, as we all know, is owned by Swatch! Again, as to Oscar's point, there is no way of knowing, since the dealer is a known replicator, whether any of the movements are Swiss or simply cheap copies. |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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My 1st question would be how and when did you meet the seller....does he have a legitimate website,where did he get all the Hamilton watch movements and how many of these watches were produced and ask for references of those who bought.Then I would ask him to verify and authenticate the movement and it's origin before considering any purchase of a watch selling for over $600.watch2.gif |
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Blackwind 3T WIS
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oagaspar wrote: My 1st question would be how and when did you meet the seller....does he have a legitimate website,where did he get all the Hamilton watch movements and how many of these watches were produced and ask for references of those who bought.Then I would ask him to verify and authenticate the movement and it's origin before considering any purchase of a watch selling for over $600.watch2.gif I have never met the seller. I was given their information by a user on Watchuseek.com. I would hardly consider a website a point of evidence to support legitimacy. Working in technology I'm more then familiar with just how easy it is to prop up a webpage with every bit of “authenticity” applied. According the builder, the watch movements were obtained when Hamilton dispensed with the making of pocket watches. How exactly does one “verify and authenticate the movement?” |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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Blackwind wrote: davidsan has a website and it's easy to see exactly what he sells out of HK....authentification is easy to provide if the movement in question is genuine...there are places in Asia where replicas are sold on every corner and owning a genuine article is questioned as to being authentic!:D it is policy of this forum and many others to not condone replicas...I have no problem with them when they are represented as such and kept in their resepected place(replica forums)but in this case no proof is made whether it is or not so therefore based on this watch as being secondary info from another site which I happen to know Ernie would never advocate fakes whether it is spelled out on the dial or otherwise.I have to believe Ernie was not aware of this being posted on his forum.:( ..again if I am wrong I apologize but based on a few minutes research I can't see this as being genuine and would stay clear especially at a price that is in the $600. range.There are many legitimate vendors selling homages which have been given in this thread and an homage will never compare to the original although I have a Italian Precista LE/Panny Radiomir homage which was made by a resepected watchmaker and is as close as you can get to one imhohand6.gif I have seen Anders/Gnomon watches Radiomir homage and can say it is a very good deal at $520. and comes from a respected dealer.My advice is do your research and stick with vendors who don't hide in the shadows. You will find this subject would not stand on any forum that has intelligent WIS onboard but since this thread started out innocent enough it stays...do a search on replicas on 3T and you will find much in regards to the subject. watch2.gif oagaspar wrote:My 1st question would be how and when did you meet the seller....does he have a legitimate website,where did he get all the Hamilton watch movements and how many of these watches were produced and ask for references of those who bought.Then I would ask him to verify and authenticate the movement and it's origin before considering any purchase of a watch selling for over $600.watch2.gif |
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Foster 3T WIS 
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Hamilton dispensed with making pocket watches in the late 1960's and they never (to my knowlege) used a Unitas movement. That could very well be a genuine Swiss Unitas that the seller has decorated and stamped with the Hamilton name, but the chances that it was made by the real (Pre-Swatch) Hamilton are exactly zero. RGM, is in fact using refurbished original Hamilton pocket watch movements in new wristwatches and they are really quite nice, but way above your price point. You can check them out here: http://www.rgmwatches.com/222.html |
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Dookie 3T WIS
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yea, ditto wat oscar has said. ive been researchin panerai homages for quite a while. A lot of them may look identical at first glance there r variations in the finish, little details etc2, especially movement wise, theres so many of them out there u never know which is which. Most often if the price too good to be true then one should a tad more weary. A lot of the sellers dont have any sort of warranty service, be ready to bite the short end of the stick is anything ever goes wrong. I rather pay a bit more and buy from a reputable outfit and in this case 600$ for a replica isnt that cheap imo. cool10.gifcool10.gif chris |
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OldeCrow 3T WIS
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All the movement pictures in this topic so far are genuine Swiss ETA movements. Hamilton uses the ETA 649x movements in their modern watches so it's likely that even that is genuine as well. I haven't seen one of the Modern Hamiltons with the 6497/8 personally so I don't know if they are signed or not but if they spent the money for the decorated movement it's likely that they had it signed too. Movement decoration is a pretty easy tell, the chinese copies have the decoration cast into the parts or "glue ons" where swiss decoration is genuine tooling decoration. I built a couple panny homages myself, got the lume right from Tritec and got my movement from Ofrei and the rest of the parts from one of those "evil" parts dealers. If your Chinese is good there are catalogs (one of the seiko parts guys on the forums has been advertising some of these parts catalogs) of Chinese parts that will give you access to everything you need without having to deal with semi legit parts dealers. Last edited on Sun Dec 30th, 2007 04:49 pm by OldeCrow |
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canadajo 3T WIS 
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I like my blue faced marine diver ... eta 2824....got it from Ron at IW Last edited on Sun Dec 30th, 2007 04:55 pm by canadajo |
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abrizz 3T WIS 
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I like the pam-style layered dials alot but don't really like the cases that much. Don't know why but most of them just don't have the right flow in the lines between the different parts of the case. the nonbezel part to the to the lugs. Not that fond of the crown-protector either. Wow am I getting negative all of a sudden. I do like some of th bezels that pam's have and also as I already mentioned the dialdesigns. Both with small and large second-hands. Nice picture btw canadajo |
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