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TimeTechTalk.com > Time Tech Talk > New Arrivals > Android Virtuoso Tungsten Mechanical Skeleton Chronograph |
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MrMayface 3T WIS
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Over the last couple of years Android has become my favorite watch brand. Just when I think I've got my last one for a while, Wing comes up with another great piece of art. This one came in on Friday and it's holds a special place in my heart already. It's my first number 1. Enjoy the pics        Wrist shot with the matching tungsten bracelet  Thanks for looking |
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Tony Duronio 3T WIS 
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Nice looking watch, and Android does make some happy1.giftimepieces. I saw that one on SNBC but was a little surprised at the price, with that Seagull Movement. I digress...enjoy the watch it's a very attractive piece  |
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mcwright Admin 
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Nice timepiece. Android makes some interesting and fun watches. Great catch! |
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Skipdawg 3T WIS 
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The designer sure has fun with his watches. Enjoy. |
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oagaspar Site Founder 
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Congrats on a sweet Android! ...but as Tony said I was equally shocked at the price which is more in line with a Swiss chrono movement than a Asian Seagull ST19 imo... |
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Hammerfjord Moderator 
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oagaspar wrote:Congrats on a sweet Android! And what is the usual price for that model? |
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Paxman 3T WIS 
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Interesting looking timepiece though unreadable imho. I am ashamed to say I was curious as to the price so I actually went to SLOP and now I am just shocked. I understand this is Tungsten and skeletonized but the price was not in line with the heart of this watch. Despite my protestations the only important thing is that you like and enjoy the watch and based on your post I would say you are a happy camper. Remember, different strokes for different folks and you need to please only one person; yourself. |
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MrMayface 3T WIS
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oagaspar wrote:Congrats on a sweet Android!It's not a ST movement, its the TY2901SK. I have been pleased with the movement. I don't understand how the price of this piece has folks surprised, but someone charging over $1k for a ETA 2824 doesn't raise any eyebrows. The ability to get the number 1 was also a huge factor for me. I have the Android tourbillon, so I knew Android would do this one justice. |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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MrMayface wrote: oagaspar wrote:it's a Seagull movement however it is named and may be called whatever but most of us know it as the ST19...great movement but not costly...Android makes a sweet watch and I own more than a few from Wings early days some 8 years ago. ...no one is trying to slight you but it is obvious your are new to watches and largely influenced by the SNBC watch forum which is operated by a host of the shows whose job is to sell watches and blow smoke...reality is that this Android being #1 will still only depreciate over time... ....stick around and learn my friend,we only want to help with experience...many of us here were in the same boat at one time....it's shocking at 1st but I went through the same learning process. I was warned many years ago just as I am warning you about the BS being spoken and now posted by those involved with Slopnbc...unfortunately the WIS who hold knowledge are for some reason the ones least listened to these days.jmho |
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MrMayface 3T WIS
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oagaspar wrote:MrMayface wrote:Thank you sir, I appreciate the info. It's just hard for me to grasp how it's ok to spend this kind of money on micro brands with lesser movements (looks say ETA 2824-2 for example)simple case and dial design. However a red flag comes up when you have a original designed case that is 100% tungsten, and a very nicely engraved skeletonized dial that is powered my a movement with a proven track record. Is it because their sold on Slop as it's called here(That's pretty funny)? Maybe I'm just thick headed. Please break it down for me.oagaspar wrote:it's a Seagull movement however it is named and may be called whatever but most of us know it as the ST19...great movement but not costly... |
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MrETime 3T WIS
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Oh well, truth be told, experience is the greatest teacher .. The owners of one of the largest high end retailers in the NY area ( the own several high end stores ) have seen the Virtuoso Tungsten. They studied it's construction, the movement and the overall design. The result: after studying Wing's newest creation, they pointed out to me that the price on this watch " defies Logic " and that it should be much more expensive. I understand opinion can be subjective and oftimes self serving, but, I prefer the word of those who earn their living and lots of dollars by selling the highest end swiss brands which many on this forum own. They consider Wing's Virtuoso line to be of extroardinary high quality and a significant buy at these prices. Enjoy the days !! MrETime |
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Tony Duronio 3T WIS
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I think the point is buy what you you want because you are informed with the decision made. Do not fall for the hype during a TV presentation from a host, or producer of a watch, whose "only" job is to sell a product...period. As far as the micro-brand issue, I have no quarrel with you. Point here being is that when I go to sell a Miyota or ETA driven Android, I take a beating on it, yet these micro brands have a captive audience willing to spend hundreds more for seemingly the same product. Don't know why but something else I've learned in my 51 years....many time perception is more important than reality. JM2cents In any case, enjoy the watch and hopefully you will learn a few things from us and we from you. |
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Paxman 3T WIS
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MrETime wrote: Oh well, truth be told, experience is the greatest teacher .. The owners of one of the largest high end retailers in the NY area ( the own several high end stores ) have seen the Virtuoso Tungsten. They studied And this is precisely the type of BS used by Slop to sell watches at inflated prices. I'm sure they said this very same thing about one of the outstanding Renatos too...  |
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MrETime 3T WIS
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And please, I'd appreciate not hearing that I'm new to this game .. experts speak louder than we do .. Mr Mayface has made an excellent assertion respective of the latest Android Virtuoso. Prior to his past year, I would say that Wing had not yet begun to ascend the mountain of TIME MrETyme |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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MrETime wrote: Oh well, truth be told, experience is the greatest teacher .. The owners of one of the largest high end retailers in the NY area ( the own several high end stores ) have seen the Virtuoso Tungsten. They studiedit's pretty obvious you only just joined to stir the pot so get ready as you seem to be under the spell of of a well known con who hosts a Shopping show and has very little watch knowledge imo...agreed...experience is the greatest teacher and I also welcome you to take some time and learn before making a post that "defies logic" my friend. ..most chain jewelers don't even have a watchmaker on site and send everything out and if you take the word of a sales person who only holds the knowledge of how to ring up a sale than you are in trouble...take this watch to an expert...someone who really knows watches and you will hear exactly what many have posted here... many if not all who own these high dollar Swiss brands as well as knowing the value a watch holds regardless of cost and have something to compare to and don't need the word of a sales person who is probably being fed the same BS you are at the hands of Slopnbs....you remind me of an ex-member who posted he was offered a Ferrari for his Renato and refused!  |
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Tony Duronio 3T WIS
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MrETime wrote: And please, I'd appreciate not hearing that I'm new to this game .. experts speak louder than we do .. Mr Mayface  now that is funny |
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Hammerfjord Moderator
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Would someone DARE to say the price of this timepiece from China that Mr ETime present as THE new collector stuff and last great deal on the web???? |
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MrMayface 3T WIS
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Tony Duronio wrote:I think the point is buy what you you want because you are informed with the decision made. Do not fall for the hype during a TV presentation from a host, or producer of a watch, whose "only" job is to sell a product...period. Thanks Tony. As far as hype, I don't fall for it. When this watch finally aired last week, I had already had it in hand. Wing stated that he was making a watch with the same case as his tourbillon. I knew at that point I wanted it. I knew the quality would be there and that wasnt going to be anything else like it around. I must say that the resale really doesn't enter into my head when I'm looking to grab a watch. However I have noticed that the micro brands do very well in the resale market. LMAO! Looks like I've stirred up something around here. Did I mention I have a couple micro brands coming soon? LOL! Later Last edited on Mon Jan 17th, 2011 01:51 pm by MrMayface |
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Tony Duronio 3T WIS
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Hammerfjord wrote: Would someone DARE to say the price of this timepiece from China that Mr ETime present as THE new collector stuff and last great deal on the web???? Here you go my friend: Go easy please http://www.shopnbc.com/Android_Men_s_Limited_Edition_Virtuoso_Mechanical_Chronograph_Leather_Strap_Watch/J401118.aspx?storeid=1&cm_re=SearchList-_-N-_-N&prop=Watches|229&prop=Men%27s%20Watches|472&prop=Android|475 |
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MrETime 3T WIS
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I couldn't care less about snbc !! And, I have no interest in buoying their opinions or point of view. So, let me make that perfectly clear guys !! .. These are not salesmen in a jewelery store. This is a 'major watch high end retailer' with a 'few' major high end stores .. they carry Rolex, Panerai, Cartier, Breitling, H Mueller and many, many others. They do not carry Japanese/Chinese movement timepieces. These were the owners who studied the piece, people who know watches and value ... I would never have bought an Android years ago, or even two years ago .. but .. that being said, I repeat that I prefer to listen to experts, though I value everyone's opinion !!! .. the last thing I would be doing is to play mind games with you, or, join to provoke my new friends ... Best Wishes to All ... and Joy. MrETyme |
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Skipdawg 3T WIS
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IMHO I don't care what any so called expert says. If I like or don't like a watch is what matters. If you like it and want it buy it. Dealers and retailers opinion don't interest me much. I value designers and builders of times pieces opinion more. Yet it is still all about personal taste. I own watches worth $30 to around $6000 and like and wear them all. Some of my sub $200 beaters I wear much more than others. Talk it out guys if it pleases you but do keep it civil OK. |
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MrETime 3T WIS
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I agree Skipdawg. Though I do value the owner of this particular high end watch group, I do value the designers and builders more. It takes remarkable talent to produce any of these beautiful executions, especially when offered at exceptional prices to us, the end user. Best, MrET__e |
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Hammerfjord Moderator
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Tony Duronio wrote:Hammerfjord wrote:Would someone DARE to say the price of this timepiece from China that Mr ETime present as THE new collector stuff and last great deal on the web???? Ok! 700 buks... This is what was my last 700$ buy on the net: Housing a 7750 Valjoux... Don't tell me that the tungsten case makes it all or you'll have to see how many tungsten-carbide/Hong-Kong watches are selling for 100-200buks on the Bay... For the Seagull mvt...Cost and finish is LOW whatever the decoration and whatever you've been told. I will make no other comments: People who know about SWISS watches and maybe MrETime  will certainly understand it all...   Enjoy: http://cgi.ebay.com/Swiss-Made-Revue-Thommen-Pilots-Automatic-Chronograph-/270693581004?pt=Wristwatches&hash=item3f069840cc#ht_8835wt_1139 |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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MrETime wrote: I couldn't care less about snbc !! And, I have no interest in buoying their opinions or point of view. So, let me make that perfectly clear guys !! ..as amusing as your story is my friend you just answered yourself by stating this high end store does not carry Japanese/Chinese movement timepieces...surprised about the Japanese as Seiko is a mainstay in many high end stores that sell watches but again the store in question does not carry Android nor do any other brick & mortors to my knowledge. ..Andoid is a made for TV brand and I'm not knocking the OP or Wing/Android ...it's a simple fact and unfortunate that when the TV brands try to go high end they fail and the WIS who buy them and sell them later lose big time...they are a great value in the $300. and under range and as I said before I own several Androids and actually went crazy buying them when they were selling off their models that had eta movements in them for under $200. a few years ago and if I were to sell these I would still lose $..I bought them for the movements just as I have bought other Slopnbc made brands for their exotic straps which were being cleared out at low prices. ...Please listen and learn is all we are trying to purvey on any level meaning how far you have come along as a WIS...some catch on quickly others never do but whatever makes you happy is most important and there are forums for every level to share your watches that may suit you better....my only advice is to get acquainted with a forum before posting as not all may share the same feelings as you when it comes to certain brands... |
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Hammerfjord Moderator
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MrETime wrote:I couldn't care less about snbc !! And, I have no interest in buoying their opinions or point of view. So, let me make that perfectly clear guys !! .. I was last month on Place Vendôme in Paris: Those shops as you name are all there, showing up the greatest watch-pieces in the world. I guarantee you that Android open NO eyes there. Your statement is made of smoke and 100% made in China. There's a lot of people who know high-end watches and value in this forum: You just insulte them by speaking such words. |
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MrMayface 3T WIS
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This is all my fault. Something inside me tried to convince me not to make this post, but I didn't listen. Now look what I've gone and done, created a disturbance on this great day. Thanks for the feedback guys. |
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Hammerfjord Moderator
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MrMayface wrote:This is all my fault. Something inside me tried to convince me not to make this post, but I didn't listen. Now look what I've gone and done, created a disturbance on this great day. Honnestly, you should not feel bad at all: I've learned a bunch since I'm here and we do all learn everyday. The point on 3T isn't to kill NBC brands, saying that the micro-brands represented here are best in all. The point is to buy what you love and buy it smartly: Not listening sellers who would sell fridges to Inuits... Listen to the ones who own middle-range and high-end Swiss/German made watches since long and who know when brands are overpriced or not. After all, we all want the best bang for the buks. |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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MrMayface wrote: This is all my fault. Something inside me tried to convince me not to make this post, but I didn't listen. Now look what I've gone and done, created a disturbance on this great day.Mayface please don't feel this way...not a person said they didn't like your new Android and it is a great looking watch imho that will undoubtedly last a long time...my experience with Android has been great and I still own my very 1st Android that is 7 years old and running flawlessly...all were under $300. ...when Android 1st came around they offered some very unusual watches like the spit ball watch that actually had a catapult on it to shoot spitballs!...I will have to dig mine out and post a pic and I own one the very few automatic Hydro G5's that are still being made although slightly different and a favorite of my collection. ...rule of thumb from experience is to wait before buying on Slop as the prices always come down or you will find one at a much discounted price on a sales forum down the line...Slop operates on a persons mind with the value pay system that is very well thought out by professionals who know that the customer rarely ever looks beyond the 1st value pay which is always a lot less than the overall cost. ...look at what you are buying at Slop and say to yourself"would I buy this if I had to pay the full amount right now" and see if it doesn't change your mind about the purchase you are about to make.There are still some great deals on brand names to be had there but knowing what you are buying and researching the brand and costs is most important when making your decision....research is a WIS' best friend and knowing where and how to research is why we are all here. ...Enjoy your new watch and Welcome to 3T...you are undoubtedly one of the good guys imho and it is a pleasure to have you here! |
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Paxman 3T WIS
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MrMayface wrote: This is all my fault. Something inside me tried to convince me not to make this post, but I didn't listen. Now look what I've gone and done, created a disturbance on this great day. No need to feel bad. We are all here voicing our opinions in a civil way... well for the most part until you get a Johnny-come-lately with a cock and bull story trying to help you out though you clearly don't need any help and are doing fine. So please have no worries. You see some of us shocked at the going rate on the timepiece but to a man we all agree that absolutely no one opinion matters except yours. Enjoy the watch and revel in the discussion.  I'm clearing the area!  |
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MrMayface 3T WIS
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oagaspar wrote:MrMayface wrote:I didn't order it from Shop. It came directly from Wing & Android. Actually my last three (Virtuoso tourbillon, Virtuoso chrono & diamond Interceptor) have all been purchased directly from Android. Shop has had nothing to do with my last three purchases from Wing, but I understand what you're saying.This is all my fault. Something inside me tried to convince me not to make this post, but I didn't listen. Now look what I've gone and done, created a disturbance on this great day.Mayface please don't feel this way...not a person said they didn't like your new Android and it is a great looking watch imho that will undoubtedly last a long time...my experience with Android has been great and I still own my very 1st Android that is 7 years old and running flawlessly...all were under $300. |
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ncvol17 3T WIS 
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I love this forum and reading many of the discussions. The daily parade of timepieces is unbeatable and I cannot wait for the end of day to see an array of beautiful timepieces and a few watches...Hope you enjoy it as much as I have.. |
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Gregger 3T WIS 
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Congrats on the new Android.....If you hang around Oscar and the boys will educate you as they did me almost 7 yrs ago!! |
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G 3T WIS 
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Mayface, we all buy what we like but want to do it with eyes wide open. That's the only message you should take from 3T. I wouldn't be defensive, no one is dissing your purchase. I am curious, after you read the comments did you do some independent research on the android? |
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MrMayface 3T WIS
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G wrote: I am curious, after you read the comments did you do some independent research on the android? I don't feel that anyone more research is needed on my part. I'm happy with the purchase, and the discussions that we've had today have not changed that. I guess it's all subjective. Someone posted a picture last page of a watch with a 7750. That's a great movement, but I simply would not own that watch. So for me to pay $700 for a watch that has a 7750, but is not pleasing to my eye does not make any sense to me. Here I go again, I said I was not going here again. |
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Hammerfjord Moderator
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MrMayface wrote:G wrote:I am curious, after you read the comments did you do some independent research on the android? Well, I can understand that you would not like this model with the 7750...No problem at all! I was just illustrating a 700$ possibility and there's many of them. My point was to present a reknown Swiss movement who has no more to prove on the watch-market, setted inside a great quality case with an outstanding finish. My point was to show how much watch you could have for the buks as this brand: Revue and Revue-Thommen been making watches for many years now and even with them own manufactured movements. You like the pilot style or not: Question of taste. But you can't deny that this slide-rule chrono model has a very correct price on this Ebay site... My point is that the Android watch can't offer as much in strong and constant value: It's just an economic point, nothing else... I don't spit on your watch: I just find it too expensive for what it offers. Cheers! Will |
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MrMayface 3T WIS
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Hammerfjord wrote: MrMayface wrote: Point well recieved Will. Thanks |
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