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watchdaddy1 3T WIS 
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WIRED 5,700 TO rONNY OLSEN AKA ronnanol FROM WUS THIS IS WHAT ARRIVED     |
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Devin 3T WIS 
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PM Sent |
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Jeep99dad 3T WIS 
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Dude!? WTF??? No way I'm so sorry man, how did you make payment?? Any contact with him since?? |
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Dan01 3T WIS
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I am so sorry - I hope this gets resolved asap for you. |
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watchdaddy1 3T WIS
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yep thats what arrived, I checked this guy out b4 purchasing it from him.plenty of great feedback. I purchase the seller 1st then the watch..I'm done w/ watches.. yea hes claiming( like hes gonna say yea I RIPPED YOU OFF) that he sent the watch |
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Jeep99dad 3T WIS
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So some PO or customs guy is wearing your watch and put his in the box instead for good measure?! Wow this is insane?!! Had you paid via PayPal? Using a credit card? You filed a claim already? |
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Skipdawg 3T WIS 
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You wired the guy funds? That was your 1st and 2ed Bad idea. One to wire to someone you don't know and second to wire to someone outside the US.  |
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Jeep99dad 3T WIS
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Oops my bad! I was so upset for you that I totally missed the wire piece! Ouch! Yeap, that was a mistake. I avoid wires too. Man I'm so sorry Any recourse? |
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mcwright Admin 
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Sorry. Looks like maybe the Armitron was inserted in transit. Watch and accessories is clearly printed on the box. So, I'm guessing it was stolen. Just a guess. |
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oagaspar Site Founder 
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before you go off on someone as being a rip off,and causing any harm to someone with what may turn out to be false accusations...check the weight on the postal slip,against the actual weight of the package that arrived at your door...if they are not the same then chances are it was someone in transit that pulled the switch(Customs,carrier,etc..),also,did the package appear to be tampered with?....,did you contact the postal service immediately after opening the package,they will investigate...and most of all,why wasn't the package insured for $5700. and shipped overnight!!! |
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ericf 3T WIS 
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I can't believe this.........just makes me sick. Damn it..... |
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Johnny P Advisor 
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Watchdaddy the seller replied to your post at WUS |
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watchdaddy1 3T WIS
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Really ??? Every big $$ purchase I've had is wire & I'm not the bad guy here I just got burned for 5,700.00 try my shoes on. Talk about kicking some1 when he is down..Thanks guys it's appreciated |
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Antoine1966 3T WIS 
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This is absolutely insane..I feel badly for you William and I truly hope there is some recourse for you. Awful...just awful...I am really at a loss for words. |
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Tony Duronio 3T WIS 
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watchdaddy1 wrote: Really ??? Every big $$ purchase I've had is wire & I'm not the bad guy here I just got burned for 5,700.00 try my shoes on. Talk about kicking some1 when he is down..Thanks guys it's appreciated William, You are right pal. It appears that you did due diligence but something went wrong. Is the seller taking the stand that he holds no responsibility in the matter? What bonehead would ship a $500 let alone $5700 watch uninsured? From the look of the package it does appear that it was tampered with. I sure hope you get a favorable result. |
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warriorrider 3T WIS 
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Just to add something on Williams behalf from the get go on this purchase the communication was pathetic, William would send message after message & it would take days for him to respond blaming it on the Holidays & time differences from the US to Norway? Will did as much checking as any of us could have done & this guy had good reviews like great communication & fast shipping etc. like any of us would have done. Will was helping me move a refrigerator today when the package arrived he opened it before we unloaded the refrigerator to a box of bubble wrapped used ceramic tiles & a used Armitron ladies watch! I'm not sure we will ever find out what really happened but lets think for a second if Customs are the culprits did they just happen to have those used tiles just sitting around & why put any sort of watch in the box, a thief is a thief what was the purpose of the watch? Like I said earlier we will probably never get to the bottom of this mess but one thing for sure William (watchdaddy1) is the victim here & shouldn't be chastised for making a wire transfer & believing what fellow watch folks posted which led to him following through with the transaction, JMO......... |
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Antoine1966 3T WIS
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Has the seller replied at all...is he assuming any level of responsibility in this matter?? |
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Jeep99dad 3T WIS
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The seller replied to William's post on WUS wanting to work it out and even brings up refund. I'm very sorry William. It's horrible to deal with such issues. I hope it's not a dishonest seller and you guys work it out. The box looks like its been tempered with, it's not unheard of that either customs or PO/shipping company employees steal package contents. Maybe it's not the seller. Have you spoken to him recently since he posted on WUS? So the seller didn't insure it?? That's unbelievable that he would not spend a few extra bucks on insurance for a $5700 watch! That's definitely not good practice for sure, I'd never do that. Have you spoken to anyone about your options? Filed with the shipping company or PO? |
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stew77 Admin 
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Oh man William...I feel sick to the core looking at the pics and hearing what happened! There is just no joy with this. I truly hope this get's resolved bro....somehow! *@#% |
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watchdaddy1 3T WIS
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My bank said sorry nothing they can do about it & I bank @ BofA Postal service said he has to file a claim & Brice he did insure it, but what does that do for me. I posted this for the right purpose & to inquire results /options I may have if any. Now on some other forums i belong too people r doing the blaming game, "maybe I'm the dishonest 1 here", maybe this, maybe that , I TRULY BELIEVE IT WAS HIM..I'm best friends w/ Bob aka warriorrider here on the above post, & he was w/ me & knows all the selling & saving I did for this purchase. I also did all my due dilligence on the seller, because I purchase the seller 1st b4 anything & I was a little worried after sending the $$ bcuz it took him hours sometimes days to get back w/ me AFTER I HAD ALREADY WIRED THE $$. Will here on our forum "the sheriff " said he was ok that he had purchased a watch from him, BUT THAT TOO WAS AFTER I HAD ALLREADY SENT THE $$$. because I was worried & asked Rolf if he knew him then WILL emaild me that he knew him too. BOTTOM LINE IS I'M OUT ALOT OF $$ (@ least thats alot for me) |
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Antoine1966 3T WIS
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This is a hard pill to swallow William..if he insured the item and it goes missing...somebody has to cough up the value of the item...its my opinion that he should do the honorable thing and refund your money..and let him file a claim for the watch and get what he is owed from the shipping company. |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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watchdaddy1 wrote: My bank said sorry nothing they can do about it & I bank @ BofAif it was insured,and he honestly didn't rip you off as I assume he did not,then he needs to file the claim in order to receive the insurance money,which in turn he refunds to you... as I previously said,you needed to take the package to the PO immediately,shit I would have chased the carrier down,so that it was made clear within minutes that something was wrong. ....if you felt something was wrong after you sent him the funds,then is when you should have done a stop payment...I have stopped paypal payments when I haven't heard back an hour or more after making a deal and paying far less money with someone I am 1st time dealing with. I don't believe anyone here chastised you,rather good advice from WIS who have been around for many years. |
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watchdaddy1 3T WIS
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oagaspar wrote: watchdaddy1 wrote:My bank said sorry nothing they can do about it & I bank @ BofAif it was insured,and he honestly didn't rip you off as I assume he did not,then he needs to file the claim in order to receive the insurance money,which in turn he refunds to you... as I previously said,you needed to take the package to the PO immediately,S**t I would have chased the carrier down,so that it was made clear within minutes that something was wrong. Oscar you cant stop a wire transfer according to my bank officials once it's sent. I TRIED I've been to the post office, & my bank as Bob said I was helping him move a fridge today when all this went down & we were'nt @ my house doing it. I believe he did, he's only answered 1 email from me when I emailed him..that sounds guilty to me & alot of other WIS. did'nt me to stir up a SHYT storm OVER ME GETTING RIPPED OFF.. Thought I could share here w/ you guys Last edited on Thu Jan 12th, 2012 09:50 pm by watchdaddy1 |
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stew77 Admin
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watchdaddy1 wrote: My bank said sorry nothing they can do about it & I bank @ BofA Very glad to hear it was insured William. ...that is key. Assuming the seller is on the up-and-up, he will be able to file a claim and receive a refund (which may take some time). I'm holding out hope that this ends well, and not taking anything away from the fact that this does indeed suck...that is alot of $$. |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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watchdaddy1 wrote: oagaspar wrote:William, all you have shared with us here is what looks like a box that was tampered with,and from what I can see as the weight of the package being around 1lb4xx ounces seems to be less than what I expect the tiles to weigh,and as far as scenarios go,what if a postal worker stole the watch,and what if that PO was under repair with some old tiles lying around,and he slipped his old Wal-Mart Armitron in there as well?...stories are a dime a dozen Buddy...now if you want help than we are here to help, but if you're looking for sympathy,sorry,facts are what you need right now if you want to see your $$ imho...watchdaddy1 wrote:My bank said sorry nothing they can do about it & I bank @ BofAif it was insured,and he honestly didn't rip you off as I assume he did not,then he needs to file the claim in order to receive the insurance money,which in turn he refunds to you... as I previously said,you needed to take the package to the PO immediately,S**t I would have chased the carrier down,so that it was made clear within minutes that something was wrong. |
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Chick Hazzard 3T WIS 
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Watchdaddy this is horrible, and I hope it gets resolved in your favor soon. This type of thing happening has always prevented me from purchasing anything overseas for a large amount of money... just too many hands in the pot. This just proves that sometimes paying the extra money to send it overnight is worth it. Last edited on Thu Jan 12th, 2012 10:46 pm by Chick Hazzard |
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watchdaddy1 3T WIS
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oagaspar wrote: watchdaddy1 wrote:oagaspar wrote:William, all you have shared with us here is what looks like a box that was tampered with,and from what I can see as the weight of the package being around 1lb4xx ounces seems to be less than what I expect the tiles to weigh,and as far as scenarios go,what if a postal worker stole the watch,and what if that PO was under repair with some old tiles lying around,and he slipped his old Wal-Mart Armitron in there as well?...stories are a dime a dozen Buddy...now if you want help than we are here to help, but if you're looking for sympathy,sorry,facts are what you need right now if you want to see your $$ imho...watchdaddy1 wrote:My bank said sorry nothing they can do about it & I bank @ BofAif it was insured,and he honestly didn't rip you off as I assume he did not,then he needs to file the claim in order to receive the insurance money,which in turn he refunds to you... as I previously said,you needed to take the package to the PO immediately,S**t I would have chased the carrier down,so that it was made clear within minutes that something was wrong. Oscar yes all the help would be appreciated , I dont know all the semantics all I can see is I have no 312 & no reply from him except on WUS, which he never contacted me thru except 1 time, everything has been thru email as far a communication goes |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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William,take into account that Norway is 6 hours ahead of us...if the seller doesn't reply to your e-mails or on the WUS feedback thread in his awake time,then let's see what the next step should be... |
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Jayo 3T WIS
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i think it is important to check the package weight. Did you do that? Is it insured for the whole amount? Then it should be no problem.. |
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Graham 3T WIS 
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William, you got dealt a joker and it sure hurts. Makes me sick to the gut when something like this happens. I really hope you can get to the bottom of this somehow. It boggles my mind how a fellow WIS with a fairly good standing in the community can get up to something like this. I tend to lean towards a third party involvement...... Just my lawyer guts speaking here.... Do keep us posted and good luck |
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watchdaddy1 3T WIS
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Still no reply from him nor email....It's 6:30 am here in Az, which means it's 9-10am their. |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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William,I have said to you once before,never go after a seller or vendor publicly until you have tried to resolve the matter civilly...seems like the seller in this case is trying to do so imo....I'm not taking sides here,just trying to see both sides until a positive solution is agreed on. posted 10 m in. ago: Re: ronnanol = SCAM ARTIST*** SCAM ALERT*** William (OP) |
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Gregger 3T WIS 
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This really sucks! I have a rule that I never buy used watches from forums that are more than a few hundred dollars.....Hope this works out for the best.....I do agree with Oscar...that box looked like it was broken into during transit....... The last picture shows a label....is that what was on the front of the box???? Why would you put "watch and accessories" on the label? That would say "steal me"... Last edited on Fri Jan 13th, 2012 10:19 am by Gregger |
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watchdaddy1 3T WIS
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I have responded to that thread Oscar. Thank you guys for the support it's appreciated. 1) Maybe he replaced it, y would a wrker put tile in it & a watch ?? 2) Y is he P/M'n Rolf on the Norweign watch forum, but wont reply to me OR MY emails I've sent.Time difference or not this should be his #1 priority-it would be mine 1st & foremost 3) If this was'nt him in the end (I'm a man ) I will make a public apology to him & every 1 involved . |
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Johnny P Advisor
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watchdaddy1 wrote:I have responded to that thread Oscar. Thank you guys for the support it's appreciated. I personally believe it wasn't him, but I could be wrong. William I can understand your frustration, I would be one P.O. mofo. You must have some patience even when the seller fill out a claim it's going to take a while, I have dealt with the postal service claim process when they lost a package ( Wii game player) a year ago it's a pain in the rear end. Hopefully this will be resolved soon, Good luck. |
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watchdaddy1 3T WIS
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Well he finaly pm'd me @ WUS & he has to go to a childrens party 1st, then he will try & deal w/ this situation..His words.... WOW- IMO THIS SHOULD BE HIS 1ST PRIORTY....1ST & FOREMOST. & this is y I posted all this stuff on him,these r the kind of replies I've gotten from him since I wired the $$$.. Last edited on Fri Jan 13th, 2012 11:33 am by watchdaddy1 |
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Hammerfjord Moderator 
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William, I really feel for you and this crapy situation... I saw this thread this morning and yes, as said Oscar, with the time difference, all of this happened when everybody's sleeping in Norway so that's why I'm just arriving on that since I 'm just arrived home from the job. Yes, I had contact and a tip-top transaction with Ronny. I must say that I'm very surprised by all of that. Please, don't draw too fast conclusions: Right now there's way too much feelings who get involved and it don't help the situation. I will personally talk with Ronny soon and you'll get help from Rolf and me through this process: As much as we can, to avoid misunderstandings... Time will show buddy, that's all I can say right now before I get more facts in hand. Will |
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Steve Laughlin 3T WIS 
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both William and Ronny have been good customers of Benarus. Ronny has purchased the Sea Devil and Megalodon 2 in the past and William has been a good customer purchasing a few watches from us. An FYI on shipping: On our international shipments, we have the watches securely packed in the Benarus boxes that are inside the shipping box, we use brand new sturdy shipping boxes and on the customs forms I use the term "Timing instrument"... never the word "watch". |
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Axelay2003 3T WIS 
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watchdaddy1 wrote:Well he finaly pm'd me @ WUS & he has to go to a childrens party 1st, then he will try & deal w/ this situation..His words.... William, I can definately feel your pain(most of it anyways). Right now, your #1 priority is the situation posted. The seller's priority right now is his little kid which could be his special birthday, etc. The seller can't do anything right now anyways since he is probably waiting for some responses from the postal institution so why miss your precious kid's party in the meantime?....They are only (at a young age) once. Let's all wait for the facts and this should be a smooth ride from there. Good luck. |
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watchdaddy1 3T WIS
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Oscar heres the sipping weight you asked for This is the shipping weight that was associated w/ the mailing from Norway http://sporing.posten.no/sporing.html?q=+CD307160040NO= Details Package Number: CD307160040NO Shipment Number: 70300490500176990 Number of Packages: 1 Product Name: CARRYON CASH Weight: 1.4 kg Measurements: 29x25x17 cm (LxWxH) Weight by Volume: 3 kg I just went down to the post office again & they gave me the postal police # & I can't do anything, the sender has to initiate the investigation on his end bcuz it was a international deal. I also got the package weighed while I was their,it weights 3lbs 2.10 ounces, which according to the net conversion is the same as the kg Last edited on Fri Jan 13th, 2012 01:38 pm by watchdaddy1 |
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Johnny P Advisor
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watchdaddy1 wrote:Oscar heres the sipping weight you asked for That converts to 1.45 kg. |
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Hammerfjord Moderator
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Johnny P wrote:watchdaddy1 wrote: Any thief at the customs with a weigher could have put tiles right back to the exact weight: 1,4kg just to get the package going on without suspicion... I'm not trying to save Ronny but he only used green tape from what he said. Glass-fiber reinforced tape was used around the tiles and over the package after opening: Same tape on both. Make me think that even Ronny could have access to this glass-fiber tape: Why would he close the package with green tape, open it again with a knife, set tiles with glass-fiber tape around with a little watch, then repack the whole stuff with the same glass-fiber tape for then posting it to the USA? Smells to me like someone had fun with this package on the postal services. And for those who think that's it's smart to declare full value on the package: YEAH! Write "ROLEX value 10000$" on your package and you can be damn sure that it will NEVER arrive if any poor average Joe set his eyes on it in the post services! This done, when you claim the sum, the postal services will tire you with 5000 procedures, 5000 rejects and 5000 days of delays before they even considerate to give you back half of this money! So you better get a lawyer who's bad to the bone on them back if you want a refund over 1000$. No thieves go for a "Defectuous watch 25$" , he take the Rolex: What do you believe? I guess this guy was expecting a little Seiko and he hooked the jackpot , sadly for William. Packages never "disappears" they are stolen: Postal services a full of thieves, specially when times become hard in the country. Period. |
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watchdaddy1 3T WIS
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I agree Will I have no clue why he put such a value in writing on the package or why he would put watch & acessories on the box. That was dumb. |
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joecb 3T WIS 
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I have to say, with a product name of "carryon cash" it's gonna get the attention of the first crook in the shipping chain.. I hope it gets resolved in your favor..The good news is you have William and Rolf in the country to help you from their end. |
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Hammerfjord Moderator
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watchdaddy1 wrote:I agree Will I have no clue why he put such a value in writing on the package or why he would put watch & acessories on the box. That was dumb. What kind of value did Ronny declare? |
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watchdaddy1 3T WIS
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5 K I'm pretty sure |
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FnuSnu99 3T WIS 
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First, regardless of what one thinks of Willams way of dealing with this, I think we all can understand his frustration, and I for one have no problem being sympathetic with him in this. That being said, I have been a kind of a middle-man more or less from the get go on this whole mess, and have talked to William as well as ronnanol from the time William sent the money (as I found out he is a member of the same Norwegian forum as me) And William is right, ronnanol wasn`t super quick to reply to his e-mails, but he did reply quite quickly to my PM´s. And from what I can remember, it was aprox three days from the money was sent by William until he replied back, and then two more days before the package was shipped. There is a 6h time difference between Norway and the states, but I for one would make it my number one priority to send the watch as soon as I possibly could, at least when there is this amount of $$ involved. And also kept the correspondence the whole time. With this being said, from what I can tell from the PM´s sent to me from ronnanol, I for one don´t think he has tried to scam William. Rather I think, as several others here suggests, that there is a A-hole somewhere in the postal service wearing a PAM instead of the crappy watch William received. Hammerfjord/William makes a good point imo regarding the fact that there is a difference with the package ronnanol sent, and the package William received. Why would a scam artist even send anything? And not just collect the money, and go underground? And, for what it´s worth William, what´s in your best interest here is to try to solve this whole ordeal with ronnanol, and maybe even get your money back, at least some of it (fingers crossed that the claim ronnanol is making is approved) And I´m just trying to look out for you here brotha, hope you know that. But again, I don´t think he´s scamming you, rather than both of you have been had here. I will do whatever you want IOT help here buddy, and I´m continuing to PM ronnanol (and he´s replying) And last I asked if he would consider calling you so that you could talk this over, and see what can be done. But I think this may be a bit counterproductive continuing to call him a scam artist until things are in the open. Just my 2 cents ... But I feel for you BIG time here buddy, and hope there is some light in the end of the tunnel somewhere. Last edited on Fri Jan 13th, 2012 02:53 pm by FnuSnu99 |
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watchdaddy1 3T WIS
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5 your $$ |
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FnuSnu99 3T WIS
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watchdaddy1 wrote: 5 your $$No, it reads 15000,- Norwegian krones, that is $2500 ... |
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watchdaddy1 3T WIS
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FnuSnu99 wrote: First, regardless of what one thinks of Willams way of dealing with this, I think we all can understand his frustration, and I for one have no problem being sympathetic with him in this. Thank you Rolf &William for all the help so-far. For now I will stop replying to the thread @ WUS & here until he gives me some proof/or acts like he cares. If this becomes my fault @ all, I WILL post an apology publicly.& ask for the threads to be erased entirely. I'm sick w/ this entire experience & I'm shutn my eyes for a few, not alot of sleep last night. |
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Hammerfjord Moderator
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FnuSnu99 wrote:watchdaddy1 wrote:5 your $$No, it reads 15000,- Norwegian krones, that is $2500 ... OH CRAP...This is like writing "steal me, you will have a better january month after been ruined by Xmass..." |
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watchdaddy1 3T WIS
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OK every1 here take a look @ my thread @ WUS---Another member saw this post & said he just purchased a 312 from Ronny he sent him 1300 & his panerai for Ronny's 312 |
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watchdaddy1 3T WIS
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NOW Steve @ benarus has emaild me on some interesting topics on this ronny dude |
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stew77 Admin
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watchdaddy1 wrote:OK every1 here take a look @ my thread @ WUS---Another member saw this post & said he just purchased a 312 from Ronny he sent him 1300 & his panerai for Ronny's 312 Oh man William...this has become quite serious indeed...I would contact the "second" purchaser of the 312, and then make your case. If this is indeed as it appears, then this is definitely a criminal case and should be taken to the next level. ....period.... |
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watchdaddy1 3T WIS
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oh I'm on it for sure. Did you take a look @ this..
..This is what a member @ p.com sent me & posted it on there for my defense |
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FnuSnu99 3T WIS
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William, unfortunately this is looking more and more like you were right from the start. And that Ronny Olsen aka ronnanol is in fact a lying piece of scamming s..t! Really, how much "proof" do we need here? I have made conclusions based on much less before ...That turned out to be right. I feel extra bad that I actually believed him in his PM´s and that he kept me believing that he in fact was trying to find a solution to this. Now there are WAY to many coincidences her to look away from. And in addition to you links I have learnt that he has sold the same Breitling mentioned on Breitlingsource also on a Norwegian equivalent of ebay. He really is a big A-hole!!! He is a member on an Norwegian watch forum also (the one we have) and this is also a BIG thread over here in our forum. The consencus have been more or less exactly the same as here on 3T, until now. Two Norwegian forum members have their watches in the mail to Ronny Olsen as we speak, and have made arrangements to trade watches. And we are talking yet another PAM and an IWC here, so not small sums here. Sorry to say William ,but you were right. This is a scam, and you are probably out all your money. I for one will do what I can to make his life as hard as possible, because this will not just fly in my book. And that is the feeling most others have on the Norwegian forum also. So he is burned now, only to late. |
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FnuSnu99 3T WIS
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And here is the culprit ... http://nb-no.facebook.com/people/Ronny-Olsen/570696352 I am completely agreeing that we should not hang people out to dry before guilt has been confirmed. But in this case I really feel that there is more than enough evidence, and also he has not replied to any of my PM´s since this whole thing took a turn for the bad for him. Neither has he made ANY comments on the thread about this and him on the Norwegian forum, and I can see that he has been active there several times since last night. As it looks he has now stolen Williams hard earned $5700, gotten another $1500 from a Norwegian forum member as long as his PAM in a trade, AND he has an IWC Aquatimer incoming, also in a trade with a Norwegian forum member (And just a wild guess, but don´t think the watches he has promised to send in return for the trades are gonna show up. Norway is a small country, and the watch enthusiast community minimal, so he will not be able to get away with this. Can´t really believe that he thought it would work in the first place??? |
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Hammerfjord Moderator
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Ronny is burned: That's all I have to say. I'm waiting for results now. |
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watchdaddy1 3T WIS
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Hers some more info on thid dude, it's him running a scam w/ a brietling & now Will said he sold the watch he supposedly didnt have 6 months ago on the Norweigon forum Hello William, Just to add some info. Here is the initial thread on TZ [font="Arial, Helvetica" _yuid="yui_3_1_1_2_1326549565998118"][font=""]http://www.tz-uk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=139397&st=0&sk=t&sd=a I am not involved in any of it. Just remembered the thread. He basicly cut a hole in the box and took out the watch. Recorded a video where he opens it and pretends to be scammed. My guess is that he tried to keep the watch and then claim the money back from Paypal. I have no clue if he was successful but that was probably the plan. Check the video at 0.31min in and you will see the white paper he put over the hole in the package where he sneaked out the content before recording.. I do hope everything works out for you. These kind of people are the scum on earth :( Take care Best, Per |
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watchdaddy1 3T WIS
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FnuSnu99 wrote: And here is the culprit ... & not 1 pm or email to me since he said he was going to a party...LOOSER |
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watchdaddy1 3T WIS
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I weighed my Panerai with boxes and everything and it weighs 1,8KG, so its impossible that a Panerai would weigh 1,4KG wrapped up in a box for shipping. That is absolutely something that makes your case stronger as the weight pretty much makes it impossible for it being a Panerai with box in that box from the beginning. |
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Steve Laughlin 3T WIS
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I will publicly post what I said to William.... At first I thought this was a customs job, until I saw that video of the guy opening the "Breitling" Rock. I instantly recognized him from Facebook. I like to see Benarus customers faces and when I have someone emailing me back and forth I look them up on the Benarus Facebook page just to see them. Ronny was emailing me about reserving a Megalodon, he actually reserved 3 but did not buy any. I remember looking at his Facebook page when he was emailing me. When I saw the guy in the video, I thought it looked exactly like him, shaved head, dark beard, tattoos. So I told William what I thought and I gave him the link to the Facebook page. At first I thought I should not get involved, but I know that I should not hold back information that might be helpful so I let William know. |
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Hammerfjord Moderator
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Yes, this Breitling: Supposedly replaced by a stone...http://www.breitlingsource.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=23528 The package in the movie is whiter than a bride's dress when coming from Nederland after days of transport...And so on. He tried to remain anonymous by paying the watch from his woman's Paypal address and having it sent to a friend in Sweden "Jørn Arve Norbergsen" This watch was sold in Norway by Ronny a half year later...http://www.finn.no/finn/torget/tilsalgs/annonse?finnkode=27934434 It's no point to smear the crap anymore anyway: He knows who he is and we know it as well. Norway is a very little country and he should take the first plane to Venezuela if he want to enjoy this stolen money... |
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watchdaddy1 3T WIS
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So William is there anyway of me contacting the authorities in Norway to press charges along w/ the other member that got jacked from him as well ?? I have no clue how to call Norway @ all.Or am I just screwed all the way around. I believe I'm screwd all the way around. I have a friend who is a detective also a WIS I got a call from him @ midnight last night & he said interpol doesnt work w/ the US & this is comming from a big wig in the utah police dept/detective unit for major crimes devision |
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Hammerfjord Moderator
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watchdaddy1 wrote:So William is there anyway of me contacting the authorities in Norway to press charges along w/ the other member that got jacked from him as well ?? It's most unlikely that the Norwegian police would work hard on this case, specially since you are in the US. But he has deals ongoing with Norwegians and this may interest them. You have to wait buddy. Things don't happen overnight sadly but he knows what he should do. Right now he's like a rat in a corner. |
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watchdaddy1 3T WIS
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It will cost me 1,793.00 round trip tickets to Oslo, I'm contemplating the flight now.I wanna stomp on his face |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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Axelay2003 3T WIS
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watchdaddy1 wrote:It will cost me 1,793.00 round trip tickets to Oslo, I'm contemplating the flight now.I wanna stomp on his face Shoot, if you know that you may not get a dime back unless you face this dude, I would purchase the $1793 ticket and confront the guy face to face. That would be the quickest way to get your money back(less the plane ticket of course). |
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Hammerfjord Moderator
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Axelay2003 wrote:watchdaddy1 wrote: The guy is not in Oslo: Far from that. No point to speculate when you don't know the geography, the town etc... I do. So please, let this on the side as this debate is going nowhere. |
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Johnny P Advisor
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Suggestion I would start by filing a mail fraud report. JMO Make this mofo sweat. https://postalinspectors.uspis.gov/forms/mailfraudcomplaint.aspx |
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Steve Laughlin 3T WIS
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Hammerfjord wrote:Axelay2003 wrote: and getting "locked up abroad" would end up costing more than the 312 and the plane ticket. |
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Chick Hazzard 3T WIS
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Watchdaddy, your best bet is to find an attorney in Norway who can file a lawsuit against this guy. It may cost some $$ of course, but the satisfaction would be worth it. |
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FnuSnu99 3T WIS
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Steve Laughlin wrote:Hammerfjord wrote: Completely agree. Don't think doinng that would get you anywhere William, though I completely undertand the urge to do just that. You are best of handeling this with a cool head, and filing a claim (but like Hammerfjord said, not sure the Norwegian police would do anything ) But maybe contacting the Norwegians that also are scammed would hjelp somhow? I'll PM them and see what they say about it Last edited on Sat Jan 14th, 2012 12:38 pm by FnuSnu99 |
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watchdaddy1 3T WIS
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Sorry had to go load a truck as you all know I'm a mover & I'm @ wrk 2day.The package is @ home w/ all the info,I've been carrying it around for the past 2 days,but after all the info hit the net last night I knew I had been scamed & Ive been everywhere to find out what I can do and all dead ends.I see O put a link up for me to email too.Thanks O Brice thanks for your replies on WUS-IT'S APPRECIATED |
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watchdaddy1 3T WIS
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he finaly emaild me thanks to Will & he wants to refund my $$$ but wants me to give him ALL my bank info... Thoughts please ???? |
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FnuSnu99 3T WIS
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Can he really do that much harm if he has your bank info? And how about opening a different account just to collect the money, and closing it just after you get it? Just thinking out loud here ... And if there is a possibility to get the money back, I would go for it. |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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I think the Sheriff and the Outlaws MC/Oslo called on him! ...tell him you will give him your bank info on Tuesday when the bank is open,Monday is a Holiday.....  |
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watchdaddy1 3T WIS
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yes he can I just got off the phone w/ BofA & thet suggested I set a seperate account up just for this then close it- but what if this is ANOTHER SCAM.You all stuck up for him now I'm supposed to bend over backwards for him after all this shyt came out in the open about him ---NOT But Im on my way to the bank for my boss & I'm goona open a seperate account just for this |
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ericf 3T WIS
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sounds like he's trying to make good....Really I don't think he was scamming you at all, it just doesn't add up....It still sucks for sure but I doubt it was him...On the bright side theres always 312's for sale at about the same prices always. |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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watchdaddy1 wrote: yes he can I just got off the phone w/ BofA & thet suggested I set a seperate account up just for this then close it- but what if this is ANOTHER SCAM.You all stuck up for him now I'm supposed to bend over backwards for him after all this shyt came out in the open about him ---NOTit was members of this forum that helped you,no other forum imo,especially not the scammers paradise forum WUS,where you got burned to begin with...no one stuck up for him,just fact finding in order to help you,and now the guy wants to refund your money and not even that sits right with you?...you need your head checked...nuff said! |
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watchdaddy1 3T WIS
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I WANT TO THANK EVERY1 HERE ,that pm'd me, emailed me & gave there support,Its appreciated, If there is anything that I may do for you in the future I will do my damnest to help in anyway possible. To Oscar THANK YOU for allowing me to post all this craziness here , even though it did'nt happen here, & all the advice & pm's -links-options. & TO ROLF & WILLIAM I'M @ A LOSS FOR WORDS. I KNOW THAT BECAUSE OF THE 2 OF YOU THIS HAS BEEN RESOLVED, Whatever was said or done IT'S APPRECIATED & I FEEL AS THOUGH WE R FRIENDS & THAT MEANS ALOT TO ME. FRIENDS R FEW & FAR BETWEEN, BUT TO GO TO BAT FOR ME essentially a stranger I don't know what else to say accept I OWE YOU GUYS BIG TIME.This has consumed me for 2 days now & I feel alot better right now. THANK YOU 3T --& WILL & ROLF YOU 2 R TRIED & TRU IN MY EYES. William Last edited on Sat Jan 14th, 2012 07:50 pm by watchdaddy1 |
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Johnny P Advisor
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I hate to say it, but the scam started at WUS, and Ernie said the user account was removed, and left it at that, like Pontius Pilate washed his hands.(scammers paradise forum WUS) William give the seller your bank info, and be done with it. JMO In my opinion Wus (Ernie), and some Mods are just scumbags. Kool-aid drinking mofo that includes you Nalu you f@#$king bitch!! |
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watchdaddy1 3T WIS
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I sent him my bank info already ( a new 1 w/ 25.00 only in it) so If anything crazy happens again he wont get much. |
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Nordstrom 3T WIS 
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That is great news...can't wait till the "check clears the bank". Erik |
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Johnny P wrote: I hate to say it, but the scam started at WUS, and Ernie said the user account was removed, and left it at that, like Pontius Pilate washed his hands.(scammers paradise forum WUS) William give the seller your bank info, and be done with it. JMO Johnny, you are way too kind...Ernie is, and always has been a self-centered, self absorbed scum sucking pig that happened to start a forum so he could sell his overpriced watches...and in most cases, I believe he picks his Moderators (with a couple of exceptions) by the quality of their ability to lie, cheat, steal and give great head - but that's just an educated guess! What is fact, and therefore not just an educated guess, is the he doesn't give a s-h-i-t about any of his forum members, just his advertisers!  He's kinda of like that "motorcycle" jerk-off, but without the great Air Force Pararescue training and experience! |
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afc14284 3T WIS 
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William... I'm just checking this thread and i've been shocked about what you've been dealing with the past couple of days... To have your dreams of acquiring a "Grail" go to being scanned out if your hard earned money must be a real pain... I feel for you buddy and pray that everything ends up with you getting your money back!! To me, $100 is a lot of money for a watch let alone $5,700 so I completely comprehend and accept your thoughts and comments even though at the beginning of this thread and the one @wus you were asked to take a chill pill... I know i'm nowhere near Norway or the States so I guess there's little help I could give, but please keep in mind that i'm praying for you and I hope all this end up well for you! |
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FnuSnu99 3T WIS
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watchdaddy1 wrote: I WANT TO THANK EVERY1 HERE ,that pm'd me, emailed me & gave there support,Its appreciated, If there is anything that I may do for you in the future I will do my damnest to help in anyway possible.No problem William, only happy to help. And this had my stomach turn from the time I got your first email, even before the box arrived- Glad to hear that you went with the "new account" solution, and awaiting with much anticipation for when it clears. So hoping to see you post a lot of these  in a few days. And on the comments made about Ernie and WUS, I have always felt WUS was a great place to post and do business ...Muhahahahaha!!! NOT!!! Rolf |
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bigrustypig 3T WIS 
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Sad to read all this William. But I think this will end in a good way. As a former banker, I can almost assure you that opening that special purpose account will not harm you. |
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Hammerfjord Moderator
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Got a mail from Ronny telling that he wired full refund to William: I guess that he has no reason to lie there. So I propose that we all cool off and wait for William's confirmation who may take a few days. I'm sure that both parts want this case closed more than anything right now. On my side, I don't intent to spit any venom around that: I guess that you all been seeing how this case got developed around forums and to tell the truth this case was solved by civilized exchange of emails between adults. I didn't call Ronny any names during those exchanges: There was no point in that. He done the right choice at the end and I hope that everybody learned a lesson in that story. Thanks to those from 3T who communicated with me, I was glad to be there and help William as I know how hard he worked for his money: I do too myself. William deserved help from Rolf and me as we was closest and we are glad we could stand for him. |
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FnuSnu99 3T WIS
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Hammerfjord wrote:Got a mail from Ronny telling that he wired full refund to William: I guess that he has no reason to lie there. +1 |
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watchdaddy1 3T WIS
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yes ronny emaild me that the funds were sent-now we wait..THANK YOU WILL & ROLF & 3T |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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great news,and I am happy for William,and all parties involved.This is a lesson everyone should use to better their experiences as a WIS! ...and Big Kudos to Will and Rolf for their involvement in helping resolve this unfortunate issue...it's nice to have good friends!  |
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watchdaddy1 3T WIS
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The $$ has'nt been recieved yet, but as Will said I don't believe he's lying. I posted this thread 1st so that no 1 would ever get burned by this man again.I never thought In a MILLION YEARS I would see that $$ again. I wanted every1 to know what a DB HE REALLY WAS & I accomplished that.More then that I wanted him to never be able to show his face again on another forum which I'm sorry that makes me happy, the $$ was just an unexpected bonus. WILLIAM & ROLF : ANYTHING YOU EVER NEED & IF I CAN HELP I WILL DO WHATS IN MY POWER TO HELP THE 2 OF YOU |
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Axelay2003 3T WIS
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Good news....so by refunding you the money, the seller actually admitted to the crime? |
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Antoine1966 3T WIS
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That's great news William...and a huge thank you goes out to all of those who helped you during this incident. That's why I love this forum above all others!! |
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Dan01 3T WIS
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Glad to hear things are moving in a positive direction on this. I look forward to hearing that it will be resolved in your favor! |
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zoomzoomers 3T WIS 
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Holly crap!!! I just read through the entire thread. I sincerely hope it all works out for you. And for that guy who did this karma is a b1tch! |
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bigrustypig 3T WIS
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Hammerfjord wrote:Got a mail from Ronny telling that he wired full refund to William: I guess that he has no reason to lie there.  |
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watchdaddy1 3T WIS
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It's OVER the $$ is processing in my account...Thank you 3T. William & Rolf I OWE YOU 2 BIG TIME-I'm 1000% sure if it was'nt for the 2 of you this would'nt of happened and thanks to Ronny for making the right decision and doing the right thing.  |
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Hammerfjord Moderator
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Good shit William, good shit... |
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afc14284 3T WIS
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I'm so glad everything turned out well for you William.... Now you can go back to your daily sleep and wrist check!!! |
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Axelay2003 3T WIS
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One in a million you would get your money back! You are blessed bro! Great news! |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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I am happy for you William,and for all involved...this is a 1st in my years on the watch boards that someone got their money back in a situation like this...and with the help of WIS around the World,how great is that! |
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Gregger 3T WIS
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congrats.... |
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FnuSnu99 3T WIS
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Really happy to hear this William, only glad to help |
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Antoine1966 3T WIS
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Great news!! |
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joecb 3T WIS
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WOW!!! I agree without our Norsemen to put the local pressure on him this would not be a happy ending...Congrats William..hey look at it this way...you got your money, and a watch ...plus some tiles to do your bathroom over.. |
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watchdaddy1 3T WIS
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joecb wrote: WOW!!! I agree without our Norsemen to put the local pressure on him this would not be a happy ending...Congrats William..hey look at it this way...you got your money, and a watch ...plus some tiles to do your bathroom over.. Now thats funny thanks I needed it BIG TIME.. |
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MrMayface 3T WIS
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So now that you've been refunded your cash, do you have to send the Armitron back? |
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zoomzoomers 3T WIS
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Awesome news!!! |
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Timbo 3T WIS 
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I have been following this thread and was sick about this. I'm so pleased that things ultimately worked out. It's great to see everyone pull together to help out a fellow WIS. I have been buying and selling watches on these boards for about 6 years now and have not had any problems yet (although never for the $$ in this transaction). I guess when they say "buy the seller, not the watch" they really mean it. All the best, and I hope your next purchase is problem free! |
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FletcherBarnesJr 3T WIS
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Glad to hear it all worked itself out ok.  |
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Nordstrom 3T WIS
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MrMayface wrote: So now that you've been refunded your cash, do you have to send the Armitron back? LOL...yeah, that Armitron was sweet. Looks like you came out on top. |
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Steve Laughlin 3T WIS
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FS: Vintage Kansas Rocks from a Vintage fence. $1000 per pound. Paypal only, shipped worldwide. sorry, I had too. I am glad things turned out the way they did. |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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ahhh yeas...the old stone fence scam!!! all kidding aside,just a side note as I have been reading the thread on the scammers paradise fora,and how some feel that by using Paypal this could have been avoided or at least eased the pain somehow with a claim as recourse. ..Paypal would have been no different than wire transfer,because Paypal does not protect you against items "not received as described",or an empty box unless it is a Ebay purchase...all the seller would have had to do if a claim was made,was to provide proof he shipped it with the shipping info and receipt. |
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watchdaddy1 3T WIS
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Steve Laughlin wrote: FS: Vintage Kansas Rocks from a Vintage fence. $1000 per pound. Paypal only, shipped worldwide. I'll take 2 please...& I pay you in  's |
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