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KenC Admin 
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One of the greatest games I've watched since the Jayhawks took it to Oklahoma for their last (20 years ago) National Championship when Danny Manning was a player...what a comeback! Class of '63 |
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Paxman 3T WIS 
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Damn you are old Ken!! I had Memphis in my bracket... Great game but didn't turn out in my favor... that would have been watch money.  |
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YARGH 3T WIS
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I'm still in a horrible mood over that one. If Memphis won, I would have taken the third-place prize in my pool ($340). 9 points up with 2.5 minutes left, I was about to buy the vintage Omega I wanted when I went to the bathroom. When I came back, the lead was almost gone. Then it *was* gone, and so was my Omega. Good thing I didn't pull the trigger on it pre-maturely. It's never good when the inferior team wins, but I guess the possibility of that happening is what makes sports interesting. |
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KenC Admin
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PAX...yes I am...or, perhaps, I was a child prodigy!  YARGH...inferior team? Not exactly what the results say! That said, the "inferior team" became superior by taking advantage of the "superior team's" obvious inferiority. Memphis has the absolute worst record in college b=ball at the free throw line. Memphis was not superior enough to take a 7 point lead with 2 minutes left in the game to the finish line...simply not good enough to close the deal!  |
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YARGH 3T WIS
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Not really sure if you watch basketball much, but Kansas was the markedly inferior team. They were a 2 seed at best. But hey, sometimes that happens -- like when Villanova beat G'town, or when Syracuse smoked... Kansas. |
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KenC Admin
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Yes....really! They tied it up by exploiting a team inferior to most others at the free throw line and then trounced them in OT! So...yes, really! |
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teddyhanna Guest
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Well at least 3T has KU Alum and fans to enjoy the N-Title. Ken were happy for you.... Enjoy it Mr..Class of 1963 Alum. |
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Tony Duronio 3T WIS 
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KenC wrote: PAX...yes I am...or, perhaps, I was a child prodigy! Maybe this coachng theory is wrong but.....with a 3 point lead and 7.6 seconds....by my math..now follow me............ 1 foul=2 free throws 2 free throws made=2 points 3-2=1 Does not Memphis win the game??????????? It was one of the best games I have seen though. |
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KenC Admin
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Tony Duronio wrote: KenC wrote:PAX...yes I am...or, perhaps, I was a child prodigy! Bottom line: you can't count on winning games with "if only" when you only shoot 59% from the charity line...The answer is no...Memphis does not win the game if it comes down to making points on fouls!...and what, pray tell, happened to this "superior team" in overtime? |
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Paxman 3T WIS
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KenC wrote: Tony Duronio wrote:KenC wrote:PAX...yes I am...or, perhaps, I was a child prodigy! Ken I couldn't agree with you more. You have got to be able to make clutch free throws if you have any chance of winning. That was abysmal and even though I dearly wanted Memphis to make me a winner, they did not deserve to win the game based on their performance last night. Hail to the Jayjawks!! It was a great grame!!  |
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Tony Duronio 3T WIS
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KenC wrote: Tony Duronio wrote:KenC wrote:PAX...yes I am...or, perhaps, I was a child prodigy! Ken, It's your alma mater so I dont expect you to see the logic;) Congrats to Kansas |
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KenC Admin
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Tony Duronio wrote: KenC wrote:Tony Duronio wrote:KenC wrote:PAX...yes I am...or, perhaps, I was a child prodigy! But, Tony, I do see the logic. The logic is that if Memphis could have only sunk another free throw, they would have won the game. The logic is that "if" was a long shot given their abysmal record of making free throws all year long (worst in the nation). The logic is that Coach Self took advantage of that weakness when the pressure was on to get back in the game...and once back in the game (because Memphis was out coached...and then out played)...they took Memphis to the cleaners by outplaying them in overtime. yourock.gif The logic is that this is not a "what if" world...and the NCAA Tournament is not a "what if" tournament...otherwise, they would simply play it on computers! The position that Memphis would have won "if only" is the emotional response. The fact is that free throws have plagued Memphis all season long and their coach is on record saying that his team played so well they didn't need to score from the free throw line. Memphis, at least in this particular game, was out coached and out played. Yes, Kansas game back from a huge deficit to tie, and then won in overtime by a 7 point margin...THAT is what great teams do! :dude:And I add.....ta da!!!! yahoo.gif |
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oagaspar Site Founder 
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I agree w/Tony! w/10 seconds left in the game and you are up by 3 in the biggest Collegiate game of your life you either call a time out to let your players know what it means and slow down the oppostion or you foul someone immediately and send them to the free throw line even if they make 2 you are still up by 1 with 4 seconds left and that miracle shot doesn't happen |
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KenC Admin
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.....and I agree with everybody 'cause the result speaks for itself! woohoo.gif |
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YARGH 3T WIS
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If you think Kansas was a great team, you clearly know nothing whatsoever about basketball. They were not the better team, yet they won. This happens. Just enjoy the fact that your lesser team stole the game; don't try to create a world where they are better than Memphis because it just looks silly. |
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Paxman 3T WIS
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YARGH wrote: If you think Kansas was a great team, you clearly know nothing whatsoever about basketball. They were not the better team, yet they won. This happens. Just enjoy the fact that your lesser team stole the game; don't try to create a world where they are better than Memphis because it just looks silly. Just a silly question because I admittedly don't know all that much about basketball, but if Kansas is the inferior team, why did they win? Remember the old adage, "may the best team win." |
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YARGH 3T WIS
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Why does the lesser team *ever* win? That's what makes sports exciting. My Giants took the Super Bowl from the immortally great Patriots, and although I found this, as a sports fan, to be quite thrilling, I'd never go around saying that the 2007 Giants were a better team than the 2007 Patriots. It all came together for them on one day, though, and they won the game. The NCAA championship game doesn't even have the distinction of being that clean-cut., since Kansas didn't exactly punch Memphis in the mouth and win all facets of the game the way the Giants did it to the Pats -- they got behind big late and needed miracle after miracle just to get the game to ovetime. They needed about 5 lucky breaks to go their way, in the span of 120 seconds and -- miraculously -- they all did. They were in the position to require *needing* all of those breaks to win, however, because they simply are not as good as Memphis. Hey, just because someone wins the lottery, it doesn't mean that their best move is to keep playing. You walk away quietly, happy that you beat the odds. |
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KenC Admin
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Personal opinion, of course, but the Giants, by the end of the season, were a better team that the Pats...while their season record could not match the Pats, their play in the last several games and the playoffs could. As to luck...I can only quote a friend of mine who was a professional tennis player, "You make your own luck by continuously applying your talent and never giving up". At 7 points down and 2 minutes left, it would have been easy for KU to say...well, we fought a good fight...but they didn't, the just kept coming back at Memphis and created some "luck". It's not like KU came into the tournament with a lousy record and simply "got lucky". There is almost no difference in KU's 37-3 record and Memphis' 38-2 record. I seriously don't understand the "inferior/superior" team thing. Two great teams played a great game, and in the end, one of them decisively beat the other. As to punching Memphis in the mouth and putting the hammer down...they certainly did. They dominated the last 2 minutes of the game and they dominated overtime (12 to 5), winning the game by a decisive 7 points. As to the lottery, that is simply the luck of the draw...there is absolutely no talent to be applied to "playing" the lottery....bad analogy. Bottom line, once again, Memphis was out played and out coached. Was the tieing 3 pointer a miracle or is it something that was continually practiced to increase the odds of success? I dare say that had the Memphis players and coach put the same emphasis on the importance of free throws, we would not be having this discussion, but they did not...they continuously left an important part of the game out in the parking lot...and it finally caught up with them. |
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