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watchboy 3T WIS 
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....the FOREVER TORCHLIGHT. Rick and all, how many of you have the FOREVER TORCHLIGHT as seen on US TV? Cos I am tempted to get a LOT of 10 from ebay for about $15-20. Is this torchlight usable? I mean I know it is not so bright compared to normal torchlight, but is it usable with at least a decent brightness? TIA.  Last edited on Sun Jul 9th, 2006 08:25 am by watchboy |
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jakisbck 3T WIS 
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Yes and Yes it shows a bright blued type of light much like on some of the newer cars. As you know you have to shake it at least 40-50 times. I dont remember how much I paid for mine .:cool: |
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watchboy 3T WIS
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You mean you have that. Greg? Boy you must take a quick shot of the light if you can. :) Btw, 40-50 times? And how long they last? Last edited on Sun Jul 9th, 2006 08:24 am by watchboy |
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e.avery 3T WIS 
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Just make sure they are the LED ones and not the older that run on std. incandescent light bulbs. |
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watchboy 3T WIS
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You mean there are actually 2 versions?!?!:? e.avery wrote: Just make sure they are the LED ones and not the older that run on std. incandescent light bulbs. |
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e.avery 3T WIS
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The first version used std. light builds that are not as efficient as the LED and were not bright for long. The LED uses about half the power to create the same light, due to the efficiency by not waisting a lot of energy in producing the heat of an incandescent. |
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watchboy 3T WIS
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Thanks for the Info! I will keep an eye for that. Do you own any of them still? :) |
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jakisbck 3T WIS
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The one thatI have has the LED and gives off a WHITE WHITE lite. The only way that I can take a pic of it would be to tape the buttton down because it doesnt come on unless you hold the button. |
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watchboy 3T WIS
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Greg use your camera's self timer! ;););) jakisbck wrote: The one thatI have has the LED and gives off a WHITE WHITE lite. The only way that I can take a pic of it would be to tape the buttton down because it doesnt come on unless you hold the button. |
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jakisbck 3T WIS
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Darn silly me I forgot about that give me 15 to 20 min I will show you. |
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mkyuncle 3T WIS
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Hi Jackie, Mine has an on/off button! It's an LED version, it definitely doesn't light up as bright as a regular flashlight! But it serves it purpose to provide enough light to look for things, go down stairways, etc. LED's do not burn out, do not shatter when dropped, the units are waterproof. They are light because it doesn't use batteries. The only problem is if your wrist becomes tired after shaking up and down to get a sufficient charge! Actually, with my arthritis, it hurts! My 2 cents! To be able to buy a lot of 10 LED flashlights for about $20, sounds like a great deal, if it's true! http://www.foreverled.homestead.com/deluxled.html Barton Last edited on Mon Jul 10th, 2006 05:49 pm by mkyuncle |
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teekay 3T WIS
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Here's a comparison of similar flashlights. http://www.flashlightreviews.com/reviews/ait_nightstar_rs.htm I have the Nightstar CS. I think the brightness is nowhere near conventional flashlights but is ok for an emergency light. I actually used it for camping once and besides having to shake it frequently, it wasn't bad for using in the dark. One thing to keep in mind is that these flashlights use pretty strong magnets so you need to make sure they aren't near things sensitive to magnets, like electronic hardware and some watches! |
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KenC Admin 
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The really bright ones that have that pure bluish white color are Xenon. Actually, a rather old technology developed back in the late 50's / early 60's by the military for use in the spotlights on the M60 Tank. I believe the actual chemical compund used in Xenon was discovered in 1898..................wow...wasn't the interesting! :D Last edited on Mon Jul 10th, 2006 07:40 pm by KenC |
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e.avery 3T WIS
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We are just now switching zenon to the 5 watt LED's that produce 100 lum. of light for 1 hour and 1.5 hrs. of useful declining light on 2 lithium batteries. The Zenon will produce 65 lum. of light for 1 hr.. LED only works on smaller lights. Larger lights are still zenon and will not change any time soon I think. The LED military grade bulbs are covered under ITAR so do not get any ideas of shipping them out of the country. The Hellfire is the mother of all zenon lights only sold to US military. |
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KenC Admin
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e.avery wrote: We are just now switching zenon to the 5 watt LED's that produce 100 lum. of light for 1 hour and 1.5 hrs. of useful declining light on 2 lithium batteries. The Zenon will produce 65 lum. of light for 1 hr.. LED only works on smaller lights. Larger lights are still zenon and will not change any time soon I think. The LED military grade bulbs are covered under ITAR so do not get any ideas of shipping them out of the country. The Hellfire is the mother of all zenon lights only sold to US military. I did not know that........very interesting....I can tell you that when we switched on the Xenon lights on those tank guns...............nothing could hide from us!!!!  Come to think of it, I believe the Xenon searchlight was originally mounted on the M48 Patton Tank. (The precursor to the M60 MainBattle Tank....we also used the M48 in Vietnam as it gave us a way to use up the surplus and keep the M60's in Europe) Above the main gun was a 1 million candle-power Xenon searchlight. This light had both a white light and an infrared mode. It was boresighted with the main gun and gunsights so that it could be used to illuminate a target at night. |
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watchboy 3T WIS
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Boy now what have you done? I am looking into HELLFIRE now. I did a search a came up with Hellfire X-11. Do you have that and is that the one you mentioed that is the BEST? Or is there another model by Hellfire? Gee I think I need to get one too! :) I think they use XENON bulb but not XENON gas. What you see in BMW or Mercedes for e.g., the XENON light actually requires a Blaster to light up the bulb initially(maybe 1-2 seconds) and then it will stablizes the light with a constant voltage. So the technology used in cars, I believe is not the same as the torchlights. The torchlight simply uses highly power to light up the low watt xenon(?) bulb or maybe just a very white bulb. As for the Tank Ken mentioned, I am not too sure what technology it used back then. e.avery wrote: We are just now switching zenon to the 5 watt LED's that produce 100 lum. of light for 1 hour and 1.5 hrs. of useful declining light on 2 lithium batteries. The Zenon will produce 65 lum. of light for 1 hr.. LED only works on smaller lights. Larger lights are still zenon and will not change any time soon I think. The LED military grade bulbs are covered under ITAR so do not get any ideas of shipping them out of the country. The Hellfire is the mother of all zenon lights only sold to US military. Last edited on Tue Jul 11th, 2006 07:35 am by watchboy |
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e.avery 3T WIS
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Here it goes, Xenon bulbs use high filament temp. over 5000 deg. F cause tungsten atoms to boil off the filament and migrate to the cooler glass wall of a lamp, where they condense to form a dark light-blocking layer. Adding a high-pressure inert gas inhibits tungsten boil off, which increases useful life of the bulb. The gas also permits increases light output by increasing efficiency. Argon and krypton are used as inert fill gases, but they don't work as well as xenon, and xenon is much more expensive then the other 2. Hellfire lights are for mounting on tanks and 50 cal. rifles. It requires a power source and is not very portable. It is not used by anyone other than the military. It is not practical for anyone else. Private defense forces which is a huge business and is even used by the US Gov. for training and other with Spec. Ops. tend to use night vision they are light weight. Invisible lasers that operate at the 830 nm wave length and are used with the night vision sights to allow targeting. The visible xenon lights produce enough IR light to allow the use of filters so that they can be used as night vision illuminators. LED does not they are to efficient and do not produce enough heat. This is a summery on a topic that is deep and we could have a website on it alone. |
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mkyuncle 3T WIS
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Hi Jackie, Here is another alternative, if you want an LED flashlight. This is a crank flashlight, will not last as long as the shake ones(depends on life of the rechargeable batteries), but it's brighter and shines a lot longer on 2 minutes of cranking! http://www.rotoglo.com/RotoGlo.htm Barton Last edited on Tue Jul 11th, 2006 10:19 am by mkyuncle |
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watchboy 3T WIS
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Wow! Thanks Barton! That is something I've never seen before! Actually I have 2 LED light, one is with 32 LED and the other is with 49 LED!!!:P:P:P The 49 LED is VERY VERY GOOD!!! And it is not very expensive and uses 3 X AAA batteries. I also have a Suefire G2 which is very good for my level of application. But I was curious all along for a torchlight w/o batteries!:) mkyuncle wrote: Hi Jackie, |
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watchboy 3T WIS
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So Eric, is the Hellfire X-11 applicable for household/personal use? Cos I saw some online and it seems to be quite good though a little high price of a price tag of around $110++. http://www.lapolicegear.com/daopshefl.html e.avery wrote: Here it goes, Xenon bulbs use high filament temp. over 5000 deg. F cause tungsten atoms to boil off the filament and migrate to the cooler glass wall of a lamp, where...... |
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e.avery 3T WIS
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That is another company playing on the name. Surefire is the suppler of the hellfire for the military. The best little xenon is a Nitrolon for $36 by Surefire. Has a lifetime warranty and just works. Battery store life is 10 yrs and has 1 hr of run time and can be used as a defensive weapon to blind an opponent. I carry one in my car nice for road side emergences. The shake light is good if you get the right one. I use the 123 Lithium batteries all the time and buy them in bulk packs, so the $2 a piece is not that bad. Use to carry Minimags for emergencies but the batteries even the best would corrode if you did not change them often enough, and you would just have to throw the light away. Last edited on Tue Jul 11th, 2006 11:29 am by e.avery |
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watchboy 3T WIS
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I have the Surefire G2. :) Here is the pic with some watches. |
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e.avery 3T WIS
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They are good lights I have never found any better at any price. I carried one of the Nitrolons as a back up light it is hard to work with while shooting and moving. I have just changed over all of my lights to LED to get the battery life less to deal with, hope I do not get pulled into this current conflict, have have been studying Afghanistan since I was 12 and that was my area of interest starting in Military School. That is why I do not own a Russian watch it would be a little bit hypocritical to purchase from people that I use to help over throw. |
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CHEEPS 3T WIS 
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Hey Jacky! Sorry for my late arrival to this party. I don't own one of the "shake & bake" lights, but after all these responses and posts it appears that most of us have the same addictive hobby with these Surefire lights. I have gone nuts as usual and have been mounting them on most of my guns also! My daughter was sitting in my chair in the TV room yesterday and picked up the Surefire I keep on the side table and remarked.."You have more toys than anyone I have ever seen." I told her it wasn't a "toy"................it was my VERY neccessary emergency light for when the power fails! She replied................"Yeah..................but you have these all over the house!" I am PREPARED! What can I say? Darn things have gotten EXPENSIVE though! Anyone into SILENCERS?:cool::cool::cool: :dude:CHEEPS VOTE FOR SYLENSINGDAMOUTHOFYKW |
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watchboy 3T WIS
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Cheeps, it's about time!:) Hey check out the Hellfire X-11:shock::shock::shock:, I can't find a review on it though.:?:? CHEEPS wrote: Hey Jacky! |
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e.avery 3T WIS
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CHEEPS Anyone into SILENCERS?:cool::cool::cool: Only the ones that actually work and do not throw the group off zero to much. Most suck and while tightening the group pull it off one way or the other. That and most only last 1000 rounds at best and that is not many when training often. |
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CHEEPS 3T WIS
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They do help when trying to appease the neighbors and STILL kill that damn red headed woodpecker which has eaten about $200 of my deck this summer! I hit him with my 22 Magnum loaded with snake shot, but he just laughed at me and flew off. I have my .410 sitting on the shelf waiting for the smart arse to return! :P:P:P This bird is LARGER than one of my dachshunds and has to weigh 12 pounds or more! I am NOT kidding! Surefire : http://www.surefire.com/maxexp/main/co_disp/displ/pgrfnbr/517/sesent/00 :dude:CHEEPS VOTE FOR NAYBORESDATUNDURSTANDME |
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e.avery 3T WIS
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Cheeps this is what I use them on, the threads on the tactical and the Mark 23 are diff.. They must have some thing invested in the suppressor mauf. to not make them the same. Getting a compensator for the tactical as soon as I find the right design. I have bought my last watch for a while and will start looking, and only got it to see if I was right about Oceanaut and Nisimov. |
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CHEEPS 3T WIS
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Ahh yes.....................the truly high end H & K products! Way too much overkill for my "little" woodpecker :P, but I love those desert tan looks on these. The color just seems to fit the gun. I kind of waundered away from .45 when I bought my 1st S&W Shorty Fourty 10 years ago. The .40 SW seems to fit my sensitivities a tad better. I just sold my last 10mm Colt Gold Cup to a collector in Kentucky. He drove up as far as Putnam County and I met him there. I think he was from Bowling Green too. Go figure.??:shock: I have never used a suppressor/silencer for anything short of keeping the noise down a bit while around other eyes and ears that might decide to get nosey. Of course if I get caught with one of the darn things it will take a month of Sundays to talk my way out of THAT mess! ;);) :dude:CHEEPS VOTE FOR EYEWANTERICZTOYZ! Last edited on Tue Jul 11th, 2006 04:05 pm by CHEEPS |
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e.avery 3T WIS
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Due to harmonics and speed the 45 is easy and effective to suppress. I still have a lot of hearing loss due to enough of them going off in inclosed spaces during training. |
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