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Kazimon 3T WIS 
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well well ... we are getting closer.... i know not the best pic but hope the bezel and caseback will be nice with the new material.  |
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Hammerfjord Moderator 
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Ok, and what's this new gray metal you will fit on the bronze? Titanium would have been cool... |
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Kazimon 3T WIS
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no not titanium..... you know i always looking to be the first introducing new materials for my watches.... ;-) let hide it until the watch is finished... so others can grab my ideas later for there watches :-) |
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Hammerfjord Moderator
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Well, the optional bezel for the 1500 is in aluminum...But since it's kind of a soft material, I was thinking that titanium would have been better for the bezel who's primary exposed to shocks... |
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Kazimon 3T WIS
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no the optional bezel is stainless steel, only the insert is aluminium |
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Hammerfjord Moderator
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Kazimon wrote:no the optional bezel is stainless steel, only the insert is aluminium OK! Now I get it...Yes, the domed insert, right... Well, I don't see what would be the metal used then...There's other metals of this color but the price is high, maybe way too high, so... |
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Kazimon 3T WIS
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whait until we get closer to the final watch... |
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Roland Chang 3T WIS
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Can't wait |
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oagaspar Site Founder 
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looking forward to seeing the final product Kazim,I'm sure it will be awesome! |
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BA211 3T WIS 
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I can't wait to see the pics when done. No doubt it will be amazing. |
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Australia 3T WIS 
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And I have stumbled into a whole new world... love your work Kazimon, and very interested in buying one of these watches. |
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Roland Chang 3T WIS
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You must let me know at the moment when you unveil this new version timepiece. |
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Kazimon 3T WIS
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well i am excited myself... first time ever somebody using this material on a watch... cant wait myself... but takes a little more time as technical its an expierence. |
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Hammerfjord Moderator
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Kazimon wrote:well i am excited myself... first time ever somebody using this material on a watch... cant wait myself... but takes a little more time as technical its an expierence. Hmmm, what made you choose this metal Kazim? The exotic side or some special properties? |
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Kazimon 3T WIS
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well the optical apearance when the surface has is finished look. as its a real apearance and not a printing on metall which is common these days. as i said NOBODY on this earth used this material on a watch before. sure soon after i will release my watch other companys will copy. but lets make our statement: KAZIMON is the first!!!! and guys who will have the first look? we at 3T. and sure limited as usual. (sorry if my english sound rude, but my words are limited in english) Last edited on Wed Nov 16th, 2011 04:59 pm by Kazimon |
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elemental 3T WIS
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Hammerfjord wrote: Kazimon wrote: "crosses fingers that it is tungsten" |
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Kazimon 3T WIS
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sorry no tungsten... that is already used in the watch industrie |
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stew77 Admin 
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Kazimon wrote: well the optical apearance when the surface has is finished look. I'm excited about your new development Kazimon, Kazim! With the references to "appearance" and effort for other manufacturers to "print" on the metal, it makes me think that you are executing this next one with a modern version of Damascus Steel which might use a crucible forging or forge-welded manufacturing process. Hmmm....  Whatever it is, no doubt it will be spectacular and I very much look forward to hearing it first here on 3T! |
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Kazimon 3T WIS
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its not damaskus steel. as this time for me the most important point is the apearance when its polished..... hope its the taste of you guys too. |
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timesofplenty 3T WIS 
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hhhmmm, I was going to say zirconium, then beryllium....both of these have been used in watches tho...maybe I'll guess zinc, but seems like it would be too soft? |
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jzom 3T WIS
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I can´t wait for the pics!!! It has to be a very rare metal indeed. |
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Kazimon 3T WIS
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ts not rare but not used before ;-) |
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Australia 3T WIS
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Who buy's a strap before the watch itself? Well I did, lol. I'm sure this would go nicely with the watch hey Kazimon. Attachment: kainheritage_strap.jpg (Downloaded 197 times) Last edited on Thu Nov 17th, 2011 02:42 pm by Australia |
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Kazimon 3T WIS
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a nice strap and good colour choosen ;-) |
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joecb 3T WIS 
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maybe it is Tungston? |
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Hammerfjord Moderator
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joecb wrote:maybe it is Tungston? No, Tungsten is widely used in the watch industry since years.... |
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DanK 3T WIS 
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Could it be some kind of precious stone, like emerald or ruby? Or perhaps black jade, rosarita or some other stone used in jewelry? Am I close? ;-) Btw, all those jumping icons drive me crazy whilst typing this? |
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Hammerfjord Moderator
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DanK wrote:Could it be some kind of precious stone, like emerald or ruby? Or perhaps black jade, rosarita or some other stone used in jewelry? Am I close? ;-) Look the picture: It's metal. Ruby? At list a 200 carats thermal grown ruby cut down to be a bezel and a back-case? Do you know what you are talking about? I know what I'm talking about: I'm a corodum and precious stones hobbyist. Emerald? Even weaker stone cracking like sugar because of it's natural veins...Absurd. Kazim never intended to go into the high luxury trade and I can tell you that stones are far to be any material you want to have on a 1500 meters watch as is the Kazimon 1500 that Kazim try to put in bronze and unusual metal for this new serial. This unusual metal has to be strong, specially for the back-case if you want anything 150 bars proof ... Last edited on Fri Nov 18th, 2011 03:53 pm by Hammerfjord |
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DanK 3T WIS
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Hammerfjord wrote: Look the picture: It's metal.What do I know? I've only got 13 posts on this forum (14 now). The material in the picture has a jade-like appearance. What sort of metal is 'green' unless it is treated to look green? |
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DanK 3T WIS
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Ok, you want metal? How about 'aluminum bronze' or 'silicon bronze' ? |
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Hammerfjord Moderator
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DanK wrote:Hammerfjord wrote:Look the picture: It's metal.What do I know? I've only got 13 posts on this forum (14 now). The greenish color is due to the bad picture quality: It show like a grey metal to me and Kazim had confirmed it. Kazim says also that it will have a special luster after polishing... I seriously tried to find out but those I isolated seems to be too rare to be used there...Maybe it's an alloy... |
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jzom 3T WIS
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Looks like tantalum, but it has been already used in watches. May be an alloy of lead, in relation with diving. Last edited on Fri Nov 18th, 2011 06:12 pm by jzom |
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Hammerfjord Moderator
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Molybdenum... Lower priced and used sometimes instead of Tungsten in the industry... |
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BA211 3T WIS
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I can't see the pic in the link. I won't load for some reason. :( I am dying to see what he is working on. |
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Jeep99dad 3T WIS 
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Guys it's not metal, it's... Kriptonite??  |
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elemental 3T WIS
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Jeep99dad wrote: Guys it's not metal, it's... for my wallet |
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FnuSnu99 3T WIS 
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Well, the sheriff is gonna crap ALL over this, but from the picture it looks like lead to me ...And yes William, I know that lead is one of the softest metals out there, and that for the life of me I can`t see that it would be suitable for a bezel/case back. But since there are more than a few other "strange" suggestions here, I thought what the heck ... But, lead? nahh, don`t really think so. But hey, maybe Kaz has come up with a neat way to treat lead iot "harden it up" ? Have gotten the umbrella out, so I`ll be ready for the shit-storm from the north, hehe  |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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FnuSnu99 wrote: Well, the sheriff is gonna crap ALL over this, but from the picture it looks like lead to me ...And yes William, I know that lead is one of the softest metals out there, and that for the life of me I can`t see that it would be suitable for a bezel/case back. But since there are more than a few other "strange" suggestions here, I thought what the heck ...would'nt lead in a watch cause lead poisoning?...or does it has to be ingested?...I'll go woth Zinc as the mystery metal...  |
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Hammerfjord Moderator
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oagaspar wrote:FnuSnu99 wrote:Well, the sheriff is gonna crap ALL over this, but from the picture it looks like lead to me ...And yes William, I know that lead is one of the softest metals out there, and that for the life of me I can`t see that it would be suitable for a bezel/case back. But since there are more than a few other "strange" suggestions here, I thought what the heck ...would'nt lead in a watch cause lead poisoning?...or does it has to be ingested?...I'll go woth Zinc as the mystery metal... Lead and zinc...Rolf: You can rip into lead with a good nail...Hahaha, that's not what you need on a bezel! Also, I would't scratch any part of my body day after day to those metals guys: No thanks. Even the transfer through the skin may be small, I would not recommend it.  |
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Hammerfjord Moderator
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Well, the sheriff is gonna crap ALL over this, but ... Even worst Rolf: You forced me to take out your last new-year picture...Way too much vodka amigo, next time I come with some soda   The way I see it, Kazim want to hold it secret, so even I was right with the Molybdenum, he would not comment it...That's what he did so maybe I was right...Moohahaha |
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FnuSnu99 3T WIS
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Hammerfjord wrote: Hehe, Ok, I`ll blame it on Single Malt then (Vodka is for long drinks, and long drinks are for girls:0)Well, the sheriff is gonna crap ALL over this, but ... But quite clearly we are not talking lead here guys, transfer etc as Oscar talks about, and of course ...lead is soft as putty, no argument there. Nevertheless, hope Kazim will shed some light on this mystery of his anytime soon, `cause looks like he`s got a few WIS`eagerly awaiting the unveiling. |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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Okay...I'll let the secret out!...it's fossilized bratwurst from the German Dynasty,rumored to have been served to royalty in the late 13th century,and found buried deep below the earths crust among the ruins! |
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serge 3T WIS
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I'm a new member but I check this thread every couple of days waiting for an update. I hope to be able to purchase one of these! |
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Hammerfjord Moderator
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serge wrote:I'm a new member but I check this thread every couple of days waiting for an update. I hope to be able to purchase one of these! Welcome Serge! Please take the time to introduce yourself in the "new member" topic. I'm waiting too for this new hat-trick from Kazimon! |
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Kazimon 3T WIS
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ok guys.... i am in the testing process.... and to let you know. its a special steel which i use for the bezel and caseback only, which will only rust on the surface(yes only surface. the rust wont go through the whole material)and the case will be bronze. i think the mix of bronze with rusted stainless steel will look great having a vintage look, note:this watch is sold out with a back-up waiting list. |
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FnuSnu99 3T WIS
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Hmmm, rusted steel on bronze case ...That sounds interesting indeed Kaz. Will the rusting process "stop" or is it an ongoing process as with normal rust? And one might end up with all details on bezel and case back "eaten away" after some years? Just wondering, but the pictures I get in my head of a "rusted apperance on a bronze case ..." sure looks nice. Can`t wait to se some more pictures! If not all exposing, could you at least post a picture of the rusted apperance of the metal? And enjoy the hollidays Kazim! Rolf |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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carbon steel... |
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Hammerfjord Moderator
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Been misleaded there... I understood that it was another metal than steel. Usual carbon steel can rust deep Oscar: Not only superficially. |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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Hammerfjord wrote: Been misleaded there... I understood that it was another metal than steel. Usual carbon steel can rust deep Oscar: Not only superficially.actually Kazim said it was a metal never used in watches before which to date has been mostly SS...there are actually some carbon steel alloys that only rust superficially,and not deep at all...they are used in Highway lamp posts here in Ohio and once they rust to a nice brown color,do not require any type of maintenance like paint....Cobra Golf has used a 8620 carbon steel in their "trusty rusty" wedges for years,and the look is awesome imho!....Kazim will be sealing whatever metal he is using so any deeper rusting if any will be stopped...so for now I stick to my very simple guess of carbon steel... Attachment: TrustyRusty-2.jpg (Downloaded 478 times) |
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Hammerfjord Moderator
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oagaspar wrote:Hammerfjord wrote:Been misleaded there... I understood that it was another metal than steel. Usual carbon steel can rust deep Oscar: Not only superficially.actually Kazim said it was a metal never used in watches before which to date has been mostly SS...there are actually some carbon steel alloys that only rust superficially,and not deep at all...they are used in Highway lamp posts here in Ohio and once they rust to a nice brown color,do not require any type of maintenance like paint....Cobra Golf has used a 8620 carbon steel in their "trusty rusty" wedges for years,and the look is awesome imho!....Kazim will be sealing whatever metal he is using so any deeper rusting if any will be stopped...so for now I stick to my very simple guess of carbon steel... Never been on a golf course Oscar but this color looks great! I didn't know this kind of steel in fact: Lamp posts are galvanised up here if I recall well. A bezel with this maroon rust color on the bronze case would be a killer  |
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bigrustypig 3T WIS 
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I think Shimano and Daiwa use this material for their rods and reels. I think one or 2 of my rods uses this. That color would be very luxurious if used on a watch case. |
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RobE 3T WIS
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Hoping to be lucky this time around. I'm holding my breath for this one.  |
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Kazimon 3T WIS
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hi everybody, first of all, i am realy sorry that i am lately did not have time to answer eveyr PM or email. i am doing most of the work myself. and sometimes 16 hours a day are not enough. please forgive me. after long testing the material i have used for the new bezel and caseback i have decided not sell this complete watch. i will ad these parts as an extra for the new version. the material is unique and so is the apperance, everytime it looks different, so i can not make pics and sell this. as every watch would look different and people would say "hey i did not order this watch". but i dont have time to make a pic of each watch. now i am doing a different material. but this material will look same on each watch. and first time ever i will start to take downpayments. as this is also limited run i want that the first ones get the watch they want. |
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watch commander 3T WIS
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Hi Kazim, what's the depth rating, will it be 1500 meters? Last edited on Fri Feb 17th, 2012 04:37 pm by watch commander |
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Kazimon 3T WIS
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sure its still 1500 meter as the new material is tough also. |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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I am ready for one Kazim....send me an invoice my friend. |
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Kazimon 3T WIS
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maybe there is a misunderstaning. i mean the new bronze version of the 1500. the nautilus will take longer to get it done. |
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watch commander 3T WIS
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Will the new bronze version of the 1500 have that same nautical look? |
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Hammerfjord Moderator
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Kazim, The Nautilus was a great looking diver and the Eintausen didn't get to replace it totally even the case is very similar: Maybe because of the bezel's insert and etching's difference...? I think that many will be glad to see a Nautilus#2 coming out(without the same name): I know the problems you met about the name and even your own name as "Kenzo" when you tried to establish your own brand: Nothing's easy those days...Sadly. From my own point of view: A Nautilus reborn has it's place, maybe with a new touch? Still, on those Nautilus/Eintausen cases models, we could feel the Fricker influence and a somehow Dreadnought's design also reconnected on other models as the Benarus 1km a while after. On the other side, I find the 1500 really unique on it's own and there, you came out from the Fricker design and brought something really personal and majestic: And as I own one, I know what I talk about. I understand this new carbon steel trouble for the 1500: Sure you can't make pictures of exactly how the watch will be...But! Remember that you are now the guy who makes unique and low serial 100% Made-in-Germany watches: Uniqueness is what this unpredictable metal defines somehow. Isn't it? I think that your trusted customers will come for the surprise and will even make others willing to take the chance: This rust patina will never get to be ugly even it's not exactly the same on each watches. After all, we all want somehow something personal: The bronze models are there actually to answer a part of the demand on this patina modulation and uniqueness, so there is a market for the "unpredictable materials" as your carbon steel, even it might take time for some radicals to adjust to it. My point of view... |
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Clickie McPete 3T WIS
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I agree completely. Bring on the unique watches! I would welcome having one that is not the same as all the others and would not mind at all some variation in the look. If you're making 50 watches for instance, I think just showing a series of quick snapshots illustrating the variation would be plenty to give people the idea of what they are getting. There is no need for expensive and time consuming professional product pics of each and every one. Your customers will understand they are getting something similar but slightly different than the basic model shown. I don't think there would be any disappointment if that is made clear from the start. Don't give up! ;) |
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pbj204 3T WIS
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Hammerfjord Moderator
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pbj204 wrote: Nice! Enjoy! |
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pbj204 3T WIS
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 Sold my V2 but managed to find a V1 this past August. It's great having a 1500 bronze again. |
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bigrustypig 3T WIS
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pbj204 wrote:
Can you please post a photo with its most recent patina? |
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pbj204 3T WIS
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Just have this one now. Amazing watch. Nautilus #8/10.    |
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pbj204 3T WIS
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Bought this one back. Latest natural patina.  |
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pbj204 3T WIS
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