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hector325 3T WIS
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Hi, I've been talking to Ralf about possibly having a Moray Eel green dial for the new watch. If we get 10 people to commit he will make them. Is there any interest? Personally I was thinking of a bright electric green that is less lime green/ fluorescent than the 3T logo. Any takers or opinions? I like green 354 or that type. I'm trying to find a Pantone color chart so people can express their opinions, but I am having a lot of trouble. If anyone could post a link that would be great. Thanks guys. Matt |
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kdsarch 3T WIS 
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Here is a link: http://www.theawristocrat.com/pantone.html |
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hector325 3T WIS
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I like PMS 355 best I think. Thanks for the link! |
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hector325 3T WIS
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Here is a really crappy mock up I did using a bad Mac paint program. It gives you some idea of the contrast. Ralf or Mods please delete if this is inappropriate. Imagine real PVD instead of a PVD watch burned with acid and run over, which is what my picture looks like. BTW: I personally prefer the face with the numbers. Attachment: Benarus Moray Green.jpg (Downloaded 285 times) Last edited on Tue Feb 3rd, 2009 04:27 pm by hector325 |
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hector325 3T WIS
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Wow. Crickets! So much for that idea! Maybe on the next one. |
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Rhino-Ranch Guest
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I think a GREEN MORAY EEL LOGO on the dial would be cool... or ZODIAC style "serpent" hands for sure. I like Pantone 306, 3125, 3145, 327... so I would commit to those colors.happy1.gif |
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BENARUS 3T WIS 
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how do you imagine the eel logo?? I think a eel is not easy in a small logo Montauk wrote: I think a GREEN MORAY EEL LOGO on the dial would be cool... or ZODIAC style "serpent" hands for sure. |
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Rhino-Ranch Guest
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You could do just the MORAY head with open jaws everyone would recognize that. |
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Paxman 3T WIS 
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I think if you were talking a 3T green you might get some more bites...:dude: |
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canadajo 3T WIS 
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Paxman wrote: I think if you were talking a 3T green you might get some more bites...:dude: absolutely ! |
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hector325 3T WIS
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That is sort of what I had in mind. I would just like it a little less lime green I guess. I just wanted to get some responses. Just bought a Doxa and don't know if I will be in or not though. |
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hector325 3T WIS
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How about PMS 361 or 368, Its like the 3T but not necessarily insanely bright lime, but it isn't Kelly Green like the paintshop mock up I did. Montauk: some of those colors a pretty similar to the Sea Foam he is already offering. Here is a chart I found on the internet. MODS: Please delete if inappropriate. The 368 is pretty nice, it is pretty close to the color of the script on the site (like Ralk's green in his answer) I would be in for that color. If I remember its kind of similar to the green used on the Orsa 3T Sea Angeler. I might be wrong though. Matt Attachment: PantoneColorChart.pdf (Downloaded 3 times) Last edited on Tue Mar 3rd, 2009 08:47 pm by hector325 |
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BENARUS 3T WIS
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Sounds interesting I will see how it could be done, and maybe I can offer a few with logo. Montauk wrote: You could do just the MORAY head with open jaws everyone would recognize that. |
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Rhino-Ranch Guest
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Hector - I like turquoise or brite blue for the dial... not sure about a green dial.... my suggestion is that there should be a MORAY EEL logo on the dial... DIVER DOWN RED would work for the logo. Jim |
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Rhino-Ranch Guest
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Ralf, That would be very cool to include the MORAY head w/ open jaws as a logo. ZINEX included a skull and cross bones logo on their recent release TRIMIX and I believe they sold out very quickly.... little details like that go a long way. ZINEX is adding a red submarine logo on the Super Sub, not yet released. Other good examples: KENZO Nautilus logo and the ANONIMO stylized "A" logo. cool10.gif I think those small details make the watch outstanding and truly make for a Custom watch. Thanks, Jim BENARUS wrote: Sounds interesting I will see how it could be done, and maybe I can offer a few with logo. |
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moresnowdays 3T WIS
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I'm a newbie to the collecting, but I might be interested in the green. I would like something that stood out from the sea of usual black, yellow and orange. The sea foam just isn't for me, but I might think otherwise when there are pics of an actual one. For me I would like a deep, maybe almost metallic, green. I could see getting easily hooked on that. Can't say I'm to sure about the idea for a logo. I like a simple clean look, like the #1 dial that I pre-ordered. Sometimes less is more. |
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BENARUS 3T WIS
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I will try to do what you want, but I always have to do a minimum quantity. The sea foam was a wish of one or two members and I decided to make it because I also love it . Now it is leading in the Moray pre orders. We can do everything if enough of you want it, but it is not always possible to bring all of you under one hat. Green is a interesting color even Rolex has a green dial. I think I could still offer a green, 50 pcs #2 dial will be also enough, so I can make 6 different dials each 50 pcs. But what kind of green ?? I would prefer a color like the 3t logo or a Kawasaki racing green or a dark british racing green. For the logo, I must admit I don't know who to do it, a skull or diver is easier than an eel or moray head with an open mouth. Next thought, where to place it on the dial?? I also think that most prefer without logo except the logo will be really cool looking, but I have no idea how to do it. You see no good cards for a logo. |
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moresnowdays 3T WIS
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BENARUS wrote:
I'm a sucker for anything in British racing green. Espesially with white hands and lettering!!! Still not sure if logo would take away from an uncluttered/clean look? Maybe if it was small, simple and tastefull, put in place of the 500m text, done in raised white to match hands and lettering.  |
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Rhino-Ranch Guest
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Ralf -- Assuming it is possible, the logo would probably look good in the 6 - 9 quadrant... this is where ZINEX placed pirate skull.... same location for ANONIMO and Nautilus logo. I am sure that someone with graphic design skills can digitize the Moray Eel jaws and reduce it to a suitable logo. Thank you for considering this option. Jim |
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Rhino-Ranch Guest
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BENARUS wrote: Ralf - DOXA also uses the 6 - 9 quadrant for logo, see Project Awareness "fish" logo, and Sub 1000 "dive helmet" logo. Jim I will try to do what you want, but I always have to do a minimum quantity. |
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moresnowdays 3T WIS
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Here's a possible logo. It's a Moray Eel about to snatch up another fish, skull of course. Found an image and did some quick photoshop with it. Could also easily remove the fish and have only the skull. Interestingly, they have two sets of jaws, the inner one (whiter in logo example) is used to pull pray in. Now to see if I can get the image to come up, first time trying it here. Attachment: moray-eel.jpg (Downloaded 65 times) |
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hector325 3T WIS
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I like the British Racing Green idea. Is Kawasaki green like electric green or like a lime green color? |
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hector325 wrote: I like the British Racing Green idea. Is Kawasaki green like electric green or like a lime green color? smile8.gif Attachment: kawasakigreen.jpg (Downloaded 52 times) |
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Rhino-Ranch Guest
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If you go to the BENARUS web site, look at the Moray Eel that is shown introducing the new watch... just do an outline of the picture that Ralf has on the web site... that would be simple, and will work. Jim moresnowdays wrote: Here's a possible logo. It's a Moray Eel about to snatch up another fish, skull of course. Found an image and did some quick photoshop with it. Could also easily remove the fish and have only the skull. |
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Rhino-Ranch Guest
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I will probably have to get out my pencils, and scanner ... |
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BENARUS 3T WIS
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Do you mean something like this?  Last edited on Thu Mar 5th, 2009 03:08 am by BENARUS |
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hector325 3T WIS
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I like the color. Not to knock anyone's work, because it is cool. I am just not that into a logo personally. JMHO though. |
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moresnowdays 3T WIS
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I do really like the green. Still not sure I'm into the logo, but it does look pretty cool (perhaps I'm now biased on this one). Maybe replace the 500m with the logo? |
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moresnowdays 3T WIS
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What about the #1 dial with the logo I posted symetrically below the center post to balance with the "BENARUS" name above in British Racing Green Dial. That would be my personal favorite. If only I could buy all fifty of this version so it could happen!!! |
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BENARUS 3T WIS
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Sorry my last two drawings, I am a bit busy at the moment because of the Sea Devils  |
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Nabco 3T WIS 
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Ralf, really like the green, unique color...BUT....I think I speak for many of us when I say... FOCUS ON THE SEA DEVIL RIGHT NOW   Plenty of time to worry about the Moray when you get the SD's in the mail.....waiting anxiously  |
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Michael 808 3T WIS 
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I like the logo, just not on the Moray. I envision the Moray to be a little more retro style diver, the logo to me would be better suited on the Sea Devil type design... |
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hector325 3T WIS
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I agree. I think the silver looks neat against the green, but I don't think the logo fits this watch. It is a neat logo though. |
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Rhino-Ranch Guest
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Ralf, Location is good. General size of logo is good. The logo should be created as follows: Outline of the Moray Eel shown on Benarus web site. Print the Moray Eel and trace the outline of the head, jaws, teeth, and eye with tracing paper or transparency. If the logo is designed in this manner -- I believe you will see many support the logo. I will try to work on this tonight. Thanks, Jim |
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moresnowdays 3T WIS
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Wow!!! I just got home and checked out your last two renditions. I really like the second one with the #1 dial in British Green with the logo in the 6'clock area. What are the chances I can talk you into it? The more I look at it I like the #2 dial in green with the logo in the 6'clock area as well. Last edited on Thu Mar 5th, 2009 03:10 pm by moresnowdays |
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Rhino-Ranch Guest
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 Photo courtesy of http://www.mysterra.org image bank Someone please digitize to a logo ... you know, just do an outline with some sketch paper. Also -- the "moray" green Ralf shows in the mock up is pretty cool, a lot better than Kelly, Kawasaki, and Golf green. |
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T3isMe 3T WIS
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I must admit, the 3T green is very appealing. Would most likely get one if it's in that color or even Kawasaki green. Green with PVD would be absolutely awesome. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I've never come across a bright green dial in a PVD watch before. Ralf, please make one. |
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BENARUS 3T WIS
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Here is a bright green watch in PVD, http://forums.watchuseek.com/showthread.php?t=137399 but I never saw one in a dark british racing green, |
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T3isMe 3T WIS
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BENARUS wrote: Here is a bright green watch in PVD,I stand corrected. However, the 3T green is still cooler than that color. Ralf, I think that you are really onto something. I don't know about everyone else, but I'm getting tired of black, dark blue, yellow, and even orange divers. We need other color options like green, red, and even purple, colors that few other manufacturers make or make affordably.happy1.gif |
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Rhino-Ranch Guest
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Other colors: Brown Kelp Clownfish Orange Blue Marlin Belize Torquiose Blue Diving Bell Bronze Sea "cucumber" Green Green Turtle Brain Coral Gray Limited Edition dials, or Bezels... keep the creativity flowing...and thanks RALF for listening. Jim |
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hector325 3T WIS
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I like the brighter green better in my opinion (not as bright as Kawasaki), but I would be up for British Racing Green as well. What do people think of the green I posted in my initial post. How about people pick colors from the Panatone chart, I posted a way back, so we can have a reference point for what colors we are talking about in terms of a bright green. This could be very cool. |
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hector325 3T WIS
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Here is PMS 361. I think this is close to my idea of a 3t/Moray green, and is sort of exactly what I am looking for. What do you guys think? I would like a bit of black around the numbers to make them pop out. I left some of the silver outline of the Moray Logo. Ralf, please delete if inappropriate. Attachment: eellogo green.jpg (Downloaded 63 times) Last edited on Fri Mar 6th, 2009 12:59 pm by hector325 |
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Rhino-Ranch Guest
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Hector -- I like the green you've selected, but I also like the darker green that Ralf shows... I still think that the EEL LOGO needs work, and I apologize for not being able to get something on the forum. I have already pre-ordered the seafoam blue dial, and might be interested in getting another pre-order green... how about a shade of green 1/2 between Ralf's selection and the one you chose? Jim |
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moresnowdays 3T WIS
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I'm obviously a fan of the British Racing Green. I think of it as a classic color that compliments a classic style watch like the Moray nicely. However, maybe a cross between the two shades of green would be nice as well. Maybe like an Emerald Green with a bit of metalic finish. Or maybe a translucent look to it. I still prefer a logos in the 6 position, just to much going on at the 9. Something about the extra clutter and lines of the #2 dial in the bright green makes me think football field. The logo at the 9 kinda looks like a mascot hanging out there. Hope that doesn't offend anyone, just my thoughts. |
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hector325 3T WIS
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Here, how about PMS 363. It is in between. There are shades darker and lighter obviously. This is a little on the darker side. Attachment: Moray PMS 363.jpg (Downloaded 59 times) |
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T3isMe 3T WIS
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hector325 wrote: Here is PMS 361. I think this is close to my idea of a 3t/Moray green, and is sort of exactly what I am looking for. What do you guys think? I would like a bit of black around the numbers to make them pop out. I left some of the silver outline of the Moray Logo. Ralf, please delete if inappropriate. I really do like this shade of green but I think that it needs to be a little brighter like the 3T green. |
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Rhino-Ranch Guest
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Remove numeral 9 and put the logo in place of the number 9 ? That would reduce the clutter... |
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BENARUS 3T WIS
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I guess we need a 6th color:) At the moment my focus is on the Sea Devil, but when i am in china I have enough time for the forum, every evening alone in the hotel:( The Moray is a vintage style and with the sea foam we already have a fresh color so my favorite would be a dark british racing green and from the feedback I suppose it is not only me. I can also imagine a dark purple. I am also always in for new colors but I shall not forget that I also have to sell about 50 of each exotic color But thanks for all your input and if we can decide on a 6th color I will do it |
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moresnowdays 3T WIS
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I like the idea of removing a numeral and placing the logo in it's place. My first instinct was to try removing the 12. What do you think? Now that I look at it more, I like the logo in the 12 spot. The numbers are actually bolder than the logo, so this actually calms things down a touch in the dials bussiest area around the "BENARUS automatic" the 12 quadrant. One last thing on putting the logo at the 12. It's there because the Moray eats lunch at noon. Just makes sense:) Please feel free to remove this if not appropriate. Attachment: Moray concepts_edited-2.jpg (Downloaded 100 times) Last edited on Fri Mar 6th, 2009 07:18 pm by moresnowdays |
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Nabco 3T WIS
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Sounds like it's time for a poll Ralf!!!! |
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Rhino-Ranch Guest
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Great mock up... we just got 2 feet of snow in the mountains, so I will be skiing tomorrow and Sunday. I like the medium shade of green.... and the logo at 12 is an improvement. Got to add "CUSTOM" to the dial. I still think the LOGO needs work... and hopefully, I can digitize something for you guys. I appreciate the effort, and I am not being critical, but the current logo looks too much like a skeleton and not recognizable as a Moray. I want to seriously thank Ralf for engaging in this forum, and encouraging input.... I am a member at several other watch forums, and trust me when I say this, I have yet to discover any watchmaker / designer quite as involved or as responsive as Ralf. Jim |
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moresnowdays 3T WIS
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I liked going with the skeleton of the Eel head in the previous logo I posted for several reasons. skeleton's are cool and have a old school pirate mystique to them. Thought it fit the old school BR Green and design of the Moray. Second, it could be identified only as a Moray skull by the fact that it is snatching up the fish, meaning aquatic animal, and it has a secondary set of jaws, unique Moray set up. Kind of something a little more sophisticated. The third reason is that I thought a line dwg of a moray head wouldn't be terribly appealing. They just aren't the most attractive animal up close and personal by any means. However, I thought I would give my hand at a line sketch and the results have some potential I think. Please pardon the roughness of the sketch, as I did it quickly in photoshop using the brush tool and my laptops touch pad. One of the more uncontrollable methods for artwork, but you can atleast get the idea. Besides, maybe it gives it that electrified look:) Attachment: morayEelline_edited-1.jpg (Downloaded 93 times) Last edited on Fri Mar 6th, 2009 11:17 pm by moresnowdays |
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moresnowdays 3T WIS
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Weird, the word -s k e l t o n- got bleaped out in my last post? Is that taboo or something? My mistake above, misspelled.  Last edited on Fri Mar 6th, 2009 11:18 pm by moresnowdays |
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moresnowdays 3T WIS
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Looks kinda cool. Maybe try it below the post on the #1 dial like the previous logo? Attachment: Moray_12_edited-1.jpg (Downloaded 90 times) Last edited on Fri Mar 6th, 2009 10:34 pm by moresnowdays |
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Skipdawg 3T WIS
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moresnowdays wrote: Weird, the word -s k e l t o n- got bleaped out in my last post? Is that taboo or something? Try Skeleton instead. :cool: |
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moresnowdays wrote: Well, I missed my ride to the ski mountain, so I've got time to ponder Moray Eels again... the line drawing, in my opinion, is much more appealing. May I suggest though, that the upper jaw should be protruding over the lower jaw, as the hooked jaw is a particularly distinguishing characteristic. If the logo is to be placed at 12, then the lines need to be heavier, or the filled in with lume to balance the dial, and provide a clear indication of the 12 o'clock position. I really think that this forum and its members, fans of Benarus, are most sincere as compared with other forums. It is quite enjoyable to have this level of communication and collaboration on a unique and creative process. Hope to see your next rendering soon ! THANKS !!! Jim I liked going with the skeleton of the Eel head in the previous logo I posted for several reasons. skeleton's are cool and have a old school pirate mystique to them. Thought it fit the old school BR Green and design of the Moray. Second, it could be identified only as a Moray skull by the fact that it is snatching up the fish, meaning aquatic animal, and it has a secondary set of jaws, unique Moray set up. Kind of something a little more sophisticated. |
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moresnowdays 3T WIS
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Montauk wrote: moresnowdays wrote:May I suggest though, that the upper jaw should be protruding over the lower jaw, as the hooked jaw is a particularly distinguishing characteristic. If the logo is to be placed at 12, then the lines need to be heavier, or the filled in with lume to balance the dial, and provide a clear indication of the 12 o'clock position. I'll try it some time soon with heavier lines. Trouble is when you make it so small to fit on the dial you really lose the eyes and teeth with heavier lines. Maybe I'll try to make a negative of the image and see what happens. Maybe the best solution is filling the logo with lume, I like that idea. You would still see the detail in silver, and lume would provide some nice weight to the area. I haven't really seen images were the upper jaw protrudes over the lower. They seem to be either even, or the oppisite. That's why I thought the logo has the lower actually protuding a bit more. Post a pic if you can so I can see what to change. Oh, and I agree, having a place to give and share input like this is alot of fun. Might even turn into a nicely crafted watch that has more personal value to the members here than other watches would. Attachment: Page-14B-Green-Moray-Eel.jpg (Downloaded 78 times) Last edited on Sat Mar 7th, 2009 12:54 pm by moresnowdays |
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Rhino-Ranch Guest
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Ah, the infamous GREEN MORAY EEL -- that should be the color of the new watch dial. Now how about the watch dial is actually the very picture that you've shown. There must be a technique for printing the dial in this manner... the dial could be black and the Eel could be green lume, with the details outlining the Eel and it's features in silver ! Now that would put BENARUS on the world map ! Jim |
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BENARUS 3T WIS
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I really appreciate all your input and that you spend this idea so much time. I think I have to make a special Moray special edition together with you, than it got its name from the forum members and also its dial. I will start a poll next week that we can decide about the color |
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very cool idea and awesome to see so many WIS involved....Ralf is a great WIS and good friend to all and it is appreciated to see how well he involves the members in his awesome ideas!....TY Ralf and that mock up w/Moray logo is sweet moresnowdays ! |
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Rhino-Ranch Guest
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Ralf, As they say here in the States ... YOU ARE THE MAN ! Jim |
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moresnowdays 3T WIS
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Well, I'm not sure how well it turned out, but here is the requested logo of the Eel head. I tried to keep it from looking like a sock pupet, hope it is something like expected. I did a photoshop line drawing in silver, and then added a greenish color fill to illustrate the Lume filled in. I tried to make the two go together to give the logo some 3D effect. Then gave it a black outline for a little punch. Perhaps the lume color is a little to green, but it gets alittle closer to the Eel look. This could use more work, but thought I would see what others thought. We'll see if this particular rendition warrents more time put in first. Attachment: eelline.jpg (Downloaded 101 times) |
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moresnowdays 3T WIS
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The above logo I posted of the Eel head doesn't look great in the large version like that. It is done that way to create a better look in the smaller version on the dial. The large version is also kinda made up of what are almost like blob areas of color, using silver, lume color and black out line, because I'm also trying to take into consideration what can actually be reproduced on the dial. You can't get to carried away with fine detail in these because I believe you can quickly out do what can actually be manufactored. Hope that makes sence. Attachment: Moray_13_edited-3.jpg (Downloaded 99 times) |
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moresnowdays 3T WIS
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So far I think I am a fan of either the logo with the skull, perhaps my personal favorite, or the full Eel body. Here's the full Eel body filled in with Lume. I don't think it's to bad, but maybe could use some black outline to clean up the detail. Attachment: Moray_13_edited-1.jpg (Downloaded 98 times) Last edited on Sun Mar 8th, 2009 02:15 pm by moresnowdays |
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Skipdawg 3T WIS
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These are looking very good guys. ;) |
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kdsarch 3T WIS
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I personally like the darker green color the best. I am not sure of the eel graphic replacing the number 12. I think I like the standard number 4 dial arrangement, but either add the logo at the lower left corner, or replace the 500m with the logo. As far as the graphic goes, I think the original one as a skeleton is best. |
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Nabco 3T WIS
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I too like the darker green much better, however, not liking the eel graphic at all, especially not in place of the 12 |
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Agree. the graphic takes away from the look of a simple vintage diver that this case and dial represent. I like the dark green... I wouldn't buy it, but it is cool. I am down for #33, Black dial #2, polished hands, blasted case and I can't wait to get it! Steve |
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Rhino-Ranch Guest
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MORESNOW DAYS The HEAD logo is excellent, so too the full body... You might want to try enlarging the full body... and try the logo in place of the "9" ... noon is too promonent, and I tend to agree that the logo at 12 is somewhat distracting of the simplicity of the watch. Or move "BENARUS" to the position of 500 meter, and then enlarge the logo at noon. Try these variations. The background color... at least on my monitor looks great. Jim |
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Rhino-Ranch Guest
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Or stretch the eel long & wavey just above 500 meter and put the 12 back on the dial... this might work and find better support. Jim |
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moresnowdays 3T WIS
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Great ideas, I'll have to see if I can find some time this evening and give it a try. I also agree with the others, the logo needs to be set so not to take away from the original character of the watch, or no logo at all. |
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Cruzzco 3T WIS
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Hi Ev1, My 1st post here on the forum. Regarding the eel logos... I too agree the "head" logo would take away from the 12 position. it`s a natural place for it to be however and couldn`t be used anywhere else... The "full body" logo and maybe a caption could look good at 7:30 position... equalizing with the "date" position. I feel this would not take away to much from the watch. I also like the darker green color as well. Being a future sea devil owner... This " Moray Eel" watch could be a knock out... Great Ideas everyone... Ralf !! Your A "Class Act" in my book... Best Regards, Cruzzco |
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T3isMe 3T WIS
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I really like the full body and head logos. In my humble opinion, the full body logo should be engraved on the case back. The head logo should either be placed above the "500m" or replace the "500m". Alternatively, the head could go where the "500m" is right now and the "500m" could be in tiny print along the periphery of the dial to the left of the 6 and "automatic" could be to the right the 6. |
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BENARUS 3T WIS
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Thank you for all your input and work. I have started a poll to see which way to go. |
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moresnowdays 3T WIS
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Latest version. Attachment: Moray_3_10_09.jpg (Downloaded 55 times) |
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T3isMe 3T WIS
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Like it! moresnowdays wrote: Latest version. |
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moresnowdays wrote: Latest version. LOVIN' IT !!! Jim |
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