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Steve Laughlin 3T WIS 
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Let's talk about this... A bronze alloy 1000m Moray that would be highly resistant against corrosion. This bronze alloy is used on naval ship parts and hatches that are exposed to sea water at all times. The bronze will tarnish and Patina quickly into unique colors that would make each Moray have its own personality. We can make these watches and they will need to be made 1 at a time, so we can make as few, or as many as are requested, but the cost of the Alloy case would put these watches somewhere around $1,400 more or less. Price is subject to change. This Moray would have the ETA 2824-2 or better movement. We will also be making brushed, blasted, polished, and PVD Morays in the future with the new Miyota 9015 and pricing similar to the first Moray.  Above: design ideas  Above: Left, a new case. Right, patina from oils, air, and time. |
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Rawhide 3T WIS
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That would be awesome. Any chance of no date dials? |
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Steve Laughlin 3T WIS
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I think that is possible since they will be made 1 at a time. I will check with Ralf. |
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oagaspar Site Founder 
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I'm in for a brown dial bronze Moray!....I have seen the process and it looks awesome on watch cases which you can control the amount of patina if you like with by wiping it down daily with a sunshine cloth or regular micro-fiber polishing cloth ....very cool and great to have a Moray with an eta and a brown dial would be awesome imo!  |
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q_at96 3T WIS
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The #3 option black dial no railroad track dart dial would be awesome.. but too rich for my blood at $1400.. what would the cost be w/ the 9105? is the cost driven by the bronze case? Keep the ideas coming...this is great stuff!! cheers, Q |
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Steve Laughlin 3T WIS
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About $100 less without ETA. the higher cost on this watch is for the bronze case, not the movement. and with the cost of the case, I think having the ETA in it only makes sense. The other bronze cased watch that I know of is $4500 |
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Jeep99dad 3T WIS 
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Wow that would be awesome but not sure if I'd have the $. May need to flip a few;) but I would also be interested in the New Myota powered brushed one if I had to pass on the bronze version! Just another cool idea and product from Benarus!!! That would make a unique watch for sure!! Awesome Steve! |
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Nabco 3T WIS 
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Awesome Steve....stepping outside the box once again...I like it  |
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Janner 3T WIS 
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Thats a wonderful look Steve and I would love to own one, but also too many $ for me also, good luck with the project |
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shovel187 3T WIS 
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absolutely awesome. i dig bronze case watches, but they are far and few between. If this is made i am in... Steve, just let me know and i will send you my wallet smile4.gif |
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Hammerfjord Moderator 
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To be a bit pragmatic, this alloy is softer than stainless steel so it get easyer scratched or dinged...It can also turn a bit green and even greenish the skin, as it does at sea, due to the salt presence in perspiration and the presence of copper in the alloy: Offcourse each skin is more or less predisposed to that as we all know. I don't want to sound negative but except the cool aspect, this kind of metal is not the best over stainless steel for watches...?? |
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Steve Laughlin 3T WIS
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The caseback would be stainless steel so there is less skin contact on the bronze, some people might be allergic to some of the alloys in the bronze. If mine turns green in some places.... cool, that is why it is unique, personally I am not looking for a shiny gold looking case, I would start rubbing mine with my fingers right away to get the patina started. as for the strength, I am not sure of it's hardness number, it is a combination of Alloys and I believe it is very hard. My stainless watches also scratch and dent when they take an impact. and with the Patina, I personally will not mind dents and scratches, it will only add character to the look as it ages. Like I said, we have to make them 1 at a time, so if we only make 5 total, then we can still do them. The cases will be CNC machined 1 at a time. Last edited on Tue May 4th, 2010 05:21 pm by Steve Laughlin |
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Hammerfjord Moderator
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Steve Laughlin wrote:The caseback would be stainless steel so there is less skin contact on the bronze, some people might be allergic to some of the alloys. Bronze is mainly made of copper and tin or can be added aluminium for marine products. Anyway, made of metals much softer than steel and even more than stainless steel 316 for exemple. I didn't mean that SS cases are not getting scratched or dinged: Offcourse they do but the bronze will be, at earlyer stress stage. |
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Steve Laughlin 3T WIS
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I believe this alloy is bronze-aluminium-iron-nickel. This special alloy is used on parts of naval ships. Last edited on Tue May 4th, 2010 05:48 pm by Steve Laughlin |
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Hammerfjord Moderator
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From what I found: There is the leaded naval bronze: Sn=6.0%, Pb=1.5%, Zn=4.5%, Cu=88%(Sn for tin,Pb for lead,Zn for zinc, Cu for copper) and the "non leaded bronze" with less lead. This alloy is called in fact Naval Brass or C46400. Here's a data sheet:http://www.atlasbronze.com/C46400_product_sheet.html |
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Skipdawg 3T WIS 
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Hammerfjord wrote: From what I found: There is the leaded naval bronze: Sn=6.0%, Pb=1.5%, Zn=4.5%, Cu=88%(Sn for tin,Pb for lead,Zn for zinc, Cu for copper) and the "non leaded bronze" with less lead. This alloy is called in fact Naval Brass or C46400. Here's a data sheet:http://www.atlasbronze.com/C46400_product_sheet.html I polished allot of that brass back in my day in the US Navy. |
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Steve Laughlin 3T WIS
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Hammerfjord wrote:From what I found: There is the leaded naval bronze: Sn=6.0%, Pb=1.5%, Zn=4.5%, Cu=88%(Sn for tin,Pb for lead,Zn for zinc, Cu for copper) and the "non leaded bronze" with less lead. This alloy is called in fact Naval Brass or C46400. Here's a data sheet:http://www.atlasbronze.com/C46400_product_sheet.html Dude, this particular alloy is made for the watch case it is not C46400 and will not contain lead. I don't think you will find the alloy combo online for the watch cases. Last edited on Tue May 4th, 2010 06:39 pm by Steve Laughlin |
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froschd 3T WIS
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Steve, This is a great idea for the Moray. I love the design and as you know recently purchased to from you. I am in with the Bronze the cleaner the dial the better. |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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As Steve stated the bronze used for watch cases is nothing like the brass or bronze that contains lead...lead is poisonus and this bronze is specially formulated for watch cases...it is called "bronze special alloy UNI5275" and is currently used by Anomino Watch Co. at a much greater cost than what Steve has mentioned for this special Bronze eta Moray!...hand6.gif |
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macbrad 3T WIS 
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I had a bronze Anonimo Polluce and the changing patina is unique into itself. It has a great feel to it and is truly a special case. If the material spec is the same as the Ano ...I might be very tempted. Drool_27.gif Great idea and please keep us posted on your progress moving forward. |
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SBD 3T WIS
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I think this is a great idea too. I also wonder about the availability of the bronze bezel. Could this be an option for steel or PVD-cased Morays to create a dual-tone look? |
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kerosene 3T WIS 
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SBD wrote: I think this is a great idea too. +1, to keep the price low. |
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bigrustypig 3T WIS 
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This is a wonderful idea and looks like a unique project, with low production numbers. Steve, I am assuming buckles will be same material, too, right? Would you sell an extra buckle (of same to different design) to each buyer? Brown case, brown dial, distressed brown strap.....picturing this in my mind already.  I agree with Froschd.....the cleaner the dial, the better IMHO. |
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Steve Laughlin 3T WIS
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kerosene wrote:SBD wrote:I think this is a great idea too. I talked to Ralf this morning, and the alloy we will use is the UNI5275 we will also be making steel Morays in the future, with the new Miyota 9015 and competitive pricing with the sub $500 watches. I will show these on a separate thread soon. The price for the Bronze watch is not set yet, but the bronze is not like the steel watches and the price can't compete with them. The bronze morays can probably be produced quicker than the steel ones because we won't have to wait on the new Miyota movements or the bulk order of cases to be finished, since each bronze case has to be made individually. This is a special project for anyone interested, and we do not need a minimum order to make the watches. |
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Steve Laughlin 3T WIS
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bigrustypig wrote:This is a wonderful idea and looks like a unique project, with low production numbers. I don't know yet, it looks as if smaller parts like crowns need to be made from steel, I am not sure on the buckle, I will get the details. maybe the crown, case back and buckle are steel and you could specify the finish for those parts. |
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bigrustypig 3T WIS
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Steve Laughlin wrote: bigrustypig wrote: Thanks, Steve. Now this is even MORE interesting! I could have the base as bronze then opt for steel/PVD on the rest. A 2-toned tool watch in a unique color and material is something truly elusive. Then, I'd have lots of flexibility on the straps and maybe natos that come with black hardware. PVD buckles abound. In the end, a collector could build around the different components and colors and end up wth a different watch to suit his moods. Now that's something  |
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bigrustypig 3T WIS
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Ventura wrote: You could possibly have the crown etc pvd coated in a bronze type colour a bit like this copper pvd: Thanks heaps, Ventura  . I liked the thread on that forum and really shows that the entire watch may be PVD'd bronze. From what I know, PVD is a process, not a material and if a b-new crown, back and buckle can be bronzed, I'd say that would be superyahoo.gifyahoo.gifyahoo.gif |
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Steve Laughlin 3T WIS
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bigrustypig wrote:Ventura wrote:You could possibly have the crown etc pvd coated in a bronze type colour a bit like this copper pvd: I think it is better to keep it steel or PVD, the bronze colored PVD will not match the case and it won't patina either. the steel parts or "white metals" will compliment the aging bronze case. the black PVD would also look good against the bronze. |
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Skipdawg 3T WIS
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Guys this will not be as durable as SS or Ti but the point of the Bronze watch is more of a statement piece. It will hold up rather well and the price point here is awesome. If at the time I am done with my home improvement stuff and updating my home computer network I'll likely jump on this. Have a few more things to do. That is why you all have not seen me buying watches. But may get back at it soon just allot slower for awhile. Like that bronze Anomino one of my doctors last year had one. Very sweet watches. |
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Jeep99dad 3T WIS
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This is a real cook idea Steve, I'm liking this more and more:) you are a influence!!:) |
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ericf 3T WIS 
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if anyone wants great info on bronze cases check out ANonimo's site for info...I love the bronze cases...Patina RULES |
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stew77 Admin 
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Steve Laughlin wrote: Let's talk about this... A bronze alloy 1000m Moray that would be highly resistant against corrosion. This bronze alloy is used on naval ship parts and hatches that are exposed to sea water at all times. Steve...I'm liking the idea of doing a Bronze cased Moray very, very much. I happen to absolutly love the bronze cased Anonimos (have to admit, I've almost pulled the trigger on one of those several times). Looks like a fantastic option and the flexibility to build them in low numbers keeps them very exclusive. Since you are going with the UNI5275 bronze that offers excellent corrosion and oxidation resistance, will you also be offering a true waterproof strap (similar to the kodiak type straps)? I like it! |
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romeo-1 3T WIS 
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AWESOME!!! Anonimo is one of my favorite watches that I'll probably never buy...this will fill that gap nicely! Great looking piece! |
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abmw 3T WIS
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Since the bronze watches are going to be individually made, would it be possible to have a different dial?Something more unique to the bronze moray. Not sure how practical it would be to make a new dial for a just a few pieces. |
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bigrustypig 3T WIS
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Steve, thanks for your inputs on the steel/PVD viz the bronze PVD. You make sense. We will await. |
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Steve Laughlin 3T WIS
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abmw wrote:Since the bronze watches are going to be individually made, would it be possible to have a different dial?Something more unique to the bronze moray. Not sure how practical it would be to make a new dial for a just a few pieces. I was wondering what a greenish/tarnish colored dial would look like. We can talk about the dial color and design if you like... any new ideas? let me know. I like the black dial with the minute marks, but we can come up with some other ideas and see if they look better, and see if it is possible. Last edited on Fri May 7th, 2010 09:41 am by Steve Laughlin |
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romeo-1 3T WIS
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I'm not a big fan of the dart dial so I would prefer a numbered dial... |
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bigrustypig 3T WIS
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Steve, here are 4 ideas for the dial you might want to consider: 1) black dial, with simple white Breguet style minute markers 12, 3, 6 and 9 (date at 4). Crown can be PVD'd black 2) brushed gold dial with round dot indeces, would look very complimentary to the bronze case. Crown can be TiNite. 3) ivory or bone dial, would bring out the bronze patina even better with 12 round black minute markers; date at 4 4) gun metal gray dial, black round dot indeces; black PVD'd crown or dull beadblasted steel Greenish/tarnish dial? Also good if you can already anticipate how the bronze case would tarnish and you make the green dial a shade or 2 lighter. No idea on crown color. Just my thoughts...might turn out to be a very unique, hard to find timepiece. Last edited on Fri May 7th, 2010 10:39 am by bigrustypig |
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Steve Laughlin 3T WIS
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Keeping with our simplicity and clean dials, here is a dial with numbers... We can discuss colors after the dial designs are complete, but I think the bronze case will not look good with colored dials, we can use the new dial designs in the steel case and make them blue or orange or have a few colors or styles. |
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shovel187 3T WIS
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That is beautiful Steve... looks awesome with the numbered dial. only tweak i would add maybe go with black edged hands or even Bronze color edged hands money is ready and waiting for the green light to pull the trigger |
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Steve Laughlin 3T WIS
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shovel187 wrote:That is beautiful Steve... looks awesome with the numbered dial. black hands would be a good option. I would worry about getting the bronze color right, and then when the watch changes colors, they might be off. I think black and matte steel would be an option. |
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stew77 Admin
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Steve Laughlin wrote: Keeping with our simplicity and clean dials, here is a dial with numbers... We can discuss colors after the dial designs are complete, but I think the bronze case will not look good with colored dials, we can use the new dial designs in the steel case and make them blue or orange or have a few colors or styles. That looks very good Steve!...I am actually a huge fan of you Moray Dart Dial (I have a Blasted Dart Dial that is still one of my favorites), but the numeric dial with number at 3, 6, 9, 12 only is very, very cool and would suit the bronze very nicely. What do you think about making the five minute markers into "mini darts" instead of rectangles...same dimensions, but the rectangle markers would essentially be triangles with the top of the triangle pointing into the dial...subtle, but I think would sort of bring together the two Moray dial designs nicely!!! ...and I think I actually like the minute markers as "lines" instead of "dots" like you have in the original Dart design...just seems more precise IMO. I would combine "line" markers for the minutes, with "mini darts" (ie. triangles) for the 5-minute markers. I don't know...maybe I'm being picky, but if it's not too difficult Steve...you could post that one side-by-side with this one!!! Thanks, Chris Last edited on Mon May 10th, 2010 11:32 pm by stew77 |
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Steve Laughlin 3T WIS
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I think those are all very good ideas, and I like the way they look... |
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MMoore 3T WIS 
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Steve, I would like to see a dial version with all 12 numbers including small 13-24 numbers located in an inner circle. Mitch |
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Ventura 3T WIS
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Any chance of bronze coloured hands? Maybe some vintage lume? |
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macbrad 3T WIS
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Steve Laughlin wrote: I think those are all very good ideas, and I like the way they look... I really like this combo, but am wondering if an alternate hand design might also look good ...something more angular vs. blocky -- if that makes sense ... |
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Steve Laughlin 3T WIS
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Ventura wrote:Any chance of bronze coloured hands? Maybe some vintage lume? It will be c3 lume and the hand color will most likely be offered in matte steel to match the crown, or black with PVD crown. |
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Steve Laughlin 3T WIS
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MMoore wrote:Steve, on this watch we are aiming for a cleaner dial rather than a military style |
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Steve Laughlin 3T WIS
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macbrad wrote: I think the second hand should be changed now, but not the hour and minute. new hand molds would increase the cost of production. We are working on new hands for the Remora, but this case design and these hands work well together. |
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Nabco 3T WIS
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Steve Laughlin wrote: macbrad wrote: I agree, the hands are part of the original design, changing them changes the watch IMO |
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stew77 Admin
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Steve Laughlin wrote: I think those are all very good ideas, and I like the way they look... Wow, thanks Steve!!! This looks very cool!!  In keeping with the cleaner dial look that you are going for here, I would say you could even pull back the length of the darts (triangles) to about half the length that they are shown above. Looks very cool! |
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Rawhide 3T WIS
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That does look nice. I still think the Moray would look better without a date though. it just kind of sits out there in no man's land IMO. |
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Steve Laughlin 3T WIS
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Rawhide wrote:That does look nice. I still think the Moray would look better without a date though. it just kind of sits out there in no man's land IMO. I understand, without date it is even cleaner, but the fact is that most want a date, I use it everyday as well when I am signing in at the gym. If we removed the date for a few people, most would ask why there is not a date window. maybe we can order a few dials without a date window, that could be an option when reserving. |
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Rawhide 3T WIS
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I completely understand where you're coming from Steve. I suspect it bothers me more on my BRG because of the black on green. I'd probably be a lot less bothered by it on a black dial. |
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MMoore 3T WIS
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Steve, Does Benarus have a military style dial for any of the previous released models? |
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SeikoSickness 3T WIS
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I really like the look of this and a bronze version of the Moray would be a fantastic alternative to a very expensive Anonimo Polluce. I do have a couple of comments and will also chime in on the "do date" debate. Personally, I would prefer a no-date option. For me, the orientation of the numbers in the image above is very distracting. I much prefer the orientation on the original Moray. But, ideally, would prefer the dial without a date. The second thing I'd like to bring up are the hands. To me, the silver hands detract from the case. I think that the case should be the focus of this watch and anything that stands out will be to the detriment of the overall design. Black hands might be better. Or, would bronze hands be a possibility to compliment the case? Finally, I agree on just a black dial. Coloured dials would draw attention from the case. Also, what combinations of bronze case and coloured dial will look good? Over time as the case changes colour? As an initial design...I like it. Also, to me, the price range is reasonable. A high quality movement (high grade 2824-2 or even a 2892) would add to the overall value. |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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I would agree with the use of an eta 2892 since it is the best they have to offer....don't really care if it has a date or not but would definetly like to see a nice milk chocolate dial...something new for Benarus as far as dial color and would look awesome in a bronze case imho...everyone has to remember that this case can be kept up with polishing and the patina kept under your control if preferred... |
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abmw 3T WIS
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My suggestion for the hands would be a dark chrome plated hand like those found in the Anonimo Bronze Polluces. Please dont shoot me for asking the following (which might be considered blasphamy) but would it be possible to change the font type of the numbers? I've got 2 morays already and it would be a nice to have something different. |
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Rawhide 3T WIS
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I'd stick with a matte steel on the hands - not a fan of black hands on a black dial. A different font is a thought. Italics maybe? |
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Steve Laughlin 3T WIS
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I think choosing black or steel hands will be an option. The logo font will not change. |
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Jeep99dad 3T WIS
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I like the dart version a lot. From a date standpoint I think I would like the date at 6 so it doesn't look so lost or no date. Also a brown dial would rock. I would make the dart markers a bit shorter too. Overall it's a winner though. |
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blbarron 3T WIS 
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I think these look amazing Steve, thanks for sharing them with us & allowing us to give feedback, that makes these watches even more special. |
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Rawhide 3T WIS
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Steve Laughlin wrote: Keeping with our simplicity and clean dials, here is a dial with numbers... We can discuss colors after the dial designs are complete, but I think the bronze case will not look good with colored dials, we can use the new dial designs in the steel case and make them blue or orange or have a few colors or styles. I'm curious how the WR went from the 500m on the original Moray to 1000m? |
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Nabco 3T WIS
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oagaspar wrote: I would agree with the use of an eta 2892 since it is the best they have to offer....don't really care if it has a date or not but would definetly like to see a nice milk chocolate dial...something new for Benarus as far as dial color and would look awesome in a bronze case imho...everyone has to remember that this case can be kept up with polishing and the patina kept under your control if preferred... I agree with Oscar, a nice brown dial would be cool with the bronze case, other than that i think the only other option that would look right is black. |
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Steve Laughlin 3T WIS
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Rawhide wrote:
Thanks for bringing this up... Our idea was to make the steel divers 1000m but I talked to Ralf after making this drawing and we still need to test the bronze case to see if it is possible, so the bronze may move back to 500m I not sure at this point. I had put it on the dials for the steel case and didn't remove it for the bronze drawing because I thought both would be 1000m. The way to get the steel Moray from 500 meters to 1000 meters is to increase the thickness of the case back. if you own a Sea Devil and a Moray, you can see the Sea Devil case back is thicker than the Moray. You can also increase the thickness of the crystal to increase WR. at 500m and 1000m it is not really about "water" resistance, it is about pressure resistance and to have the watch hold up under that pressure, it is all about steel and crystal thickness. To increase WR to 1000m will mean the Moray 2 will be about 1.5mm higher than the Moray 1. Last edited on Thu May 13th, 2010 02:42 pm by Steve Laughlin |
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Rawhide 3T WIS
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Interesting Steve. Thanks! Can the crystal and case back from the Moray 2 (when available) be retrofitted to the originals? |
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Irreantum Watch Co. 3T WIS 
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Beautiful watch Steve, and I think also my favorite of all the Benarus dials--regardless of the model. This will be very tempting... Steve Laughlin wrote: I think those are all very good ideas, and I like the way they look... |
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FuzzyB 3T WIS
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I came here looking for info on the next Moray and this talk of a bronze Moray got me so excited I had to register just to add my enthusiasm to this project. I've been trying to find a bronze cased watch for some time now and this is the perfect watch for such a case. I agree that a black dial would be the best, but I think there are a couple other colors that may be nice, too. An ivory colored dial would complement the bronze nicely. Another interesting option would be mother of pearl. The Bathys Aquaculture with the Rose Ti PVD coating was a nice color combo that would have a similar look. (I had to give up my Moray a while back and I can't wait to get another one when the opportunity arises! Now that I am registered, I will be spending a lot more time tracking the progress of this one!!) |
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stew77 Admin
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Steve...hope you don't mind...was playing with your awesome new bronze Moray dial, and shortened the dart length to about half just to help visualize. This is what it looked like...forgive my poor photo editing abilities. Just something to consider in a sea of cool dials.  |
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Steve Laughlin 3T WIS
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Rawhide wrote:Interesting Steve. Thanks! Can the crystal and case back from the Moray 2 (when available) be retrofitted to the originals? I don't think it would be a good idea, the Moray 2 is not being machined at the factory that made the Moray 1 and it would be very unlikely that the threading and specs would be exact as the first one. |
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Steve Laughlin 3T WIS
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stew77 wrote:Steve...hope you don't mind...was playing with your awesome new bronze Moray dial, and shortened the dart length to about half just to help visualize. looks nice, but I think when the triangles get too short, it really starts to look too much like the Anonimo dial.... but maybe we can do something in between the 2. Last edited on Fri May 14th, 2010 10:07 am by Steve Laughlin |
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Steve Laughlin 3T WIS
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I will also work up the brown dial and bring in the original dart dial, so there would be a choice between 2 dials and 2 colors. |
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FuzzyB 3T WIS
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This semi-dart dial is fantastic! I like how it combines both of the original Moray dial designs. The dart dial by itself is very cool looking, but I think the more subdued darts of this new design would be more appealing in the long run. Steve Laughlin wrote: I think those are all very good ideas, and I like the way they look... |
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stew77 Admin
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Steve Laughlin wrote: stew77 wrote: That's true Steve...and I guess starts to move the Moray dial away from it's true identity. Yeah...maybe something in between the two will strike the right balance. I agree with many others comments that black and brown dials will play nicely here. |
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BlueViper 3T WIS
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Great project so far... How about a BLACK CARBON FIBER dial? Or maybe a GREEN SLATE dial? |
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clonetrooper 3T WIS 
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I totally agree...the short darts are just too short...that doesn't look right....but a nice try anyway |
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clonetrooper 3T WIS
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 ....That's more like a Fliegeruhr...not much of a Diver |
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FuzzyB 3T WIS
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FuzzyB wrote: Another interesting option would be mother of pearl. Here is a rendering of a MOP dial in the bronze case. I think it would look pretty nice. The color variation in the MOP would pick up a lot of the different colors of the bronze as it ages.  Last edited on Tue May 18th, 2010 12:38 pm by FuzzyB |
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T3isMe 3T WIS
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FuzzyB wrote: FuzzyB wrote:Another interesting option would be mother of pearl. |
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Steve Laughlin 3T WIS
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I talked with Ralf today and finalized some ideas that we can do, and I got confirmation on what we can't do. We have decided to offer 3 dial colors, but one dial design, also one color for the hands, crown, case back, buckle, and that will be black PVD. The reason we can't offer 2 or 3 options for the dial design and hands is because they will have minimum orders on all those parts, so every time we order another finish, it will be 100 more parts, and we are predicting that we will only make around 10 of these watches at this point. Ralf prefers the 2824-2 top grade over the 2892 because of the robustness and durability of the 2824-2 over the more delicate 2892, but we did not come to a conclusion on this yet. For the dial colors we will offer black, brown, and blue. All 3 will be sun-brushed from the center out. Here is a rendering of the designs and a link to view it larger.  http://www.benaruswatches.com/3t/bronze/bronzemorays.jpg |
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T3isMe 3T WIS
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Brown would be great! I don't have any brown watches. |
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Rawhide 3T WIS
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I'm afraid you've lost me with the black hands and PVD bits. I think matte steel would look MUCH better. Black hands on a black or brown dial makes no sense to me. |
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stew77 Admin
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Steve Laughlin wrote: I talked with Ralf today and finalized some ideas that we can do, and I got confirmation on what we can't do. We have decided to offer 3 dial colors, but one dial design, also one color for the hands, crown, case back, buckle, and that will be black PVD. The reason we can't offer 2 or 3 options for the dial design and hands is because they will have minimum orders on all those parts, so every time we order another finish, it will be 100 more parts, and we are predicting that we will only make around 10 of these watches at this point. Looks FANTASTIC Steve!!!! I'm still unsure about the PVD bits, however, like rawhide said above...matte steel might be better... Love the dial with ever so shorter "mini darts", and although the brown dial is probably my favorite...the dial color options here look great too...even that dark blue looks good with the bronze! You've got another winner on your hands! Last edited on Tue May 18th, 2010 03:52 pm by stew77 |
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Steve Laughlin 3T WIS
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Rawhide wrote:I'm afraid you've lost me with the black hands and PVD bits. I think matte steel would look MUCH better. Black hands on a black or brown dial makes no sense to me. The color is subjective, and it is very hard to please everyone, but black hands on black dials, or brown dials is nothing new, or strange. I just installed black hands on a black dial Sea Devil, and they look great. I also installed black hands on my BRG moray and it also looks great. Here are some examples brown dial and black hands: http://www.watchsource.eu/gallery/panerai-radiomir-marina-militare/panerai-radiomir-marina-militare-2.jpg and a black dial with black hands: http://people.timezone.com/mdisher/sihh07/panerai/radblkseal2.jpg and this one is good too, kind of gun metal with black hands: http://blog.perpetuelle.com/wp-content/uploads/Pam339RadiomirComposite.jpg a different brand: http://exquisitetimepieces.com/mm5/1208547065_Untitled-6.jpg |
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Steve Laughlin 3T WIS
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OK, all is not final... we can vote on PVD vs. Matte Steel and I will check with Ralf about it. The vote should only be from people who are serious about purchasing the watch, not just someones opinion that is going to affect the outcome of the real customers and they don't even purchase... make sense? so if there is 9 votes, those 9 should be serious and not just tossing in an opinion. |
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Steve Laughlin 3T WIS
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also here is a blue dial with black hands... http://www.dexclusive.com/graphics/00000001/2006OX.jpg |
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Steve Laughlin 3T WIS
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here is my Moray with Black Hands... |
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Steve Laughlin 3T WIS
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oagaspar Site Founder
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Steve/Ralf....I'm down for whatever hands as long as it is on a brown dial!...but I really like the black hands/pvd crown overall.... this will be a very cool Moray imho! Attachment: bronzemoraysmall.jpg (Downloaded 270 times) |
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stew77 Admin
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Steve Laughlin wrote: Rawhide wrote: Thanks for those excellent examples of Black Hands Steve!! (and I have to admit the Black Hands look great on your BRG Moray too!!! Seeing the Black hands side-by-side with the Matte Silver hands that you put up above also makes me like the Black Hands more for this piece...just seems like it is going to tie in well with the overall Bronze case that will gather that nice patina over time. Those pics really helped!! Thanks!! |
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SeikoSickness 3T WIS
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I like the PVD caseback and crown idea. Black hands are good to...I'm wearing my PAM111 today and it looks good to me! My vote is for black hands, PVD coating on the steel components. I'll order a black dial. |
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FuzzyB 3T WIS
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I don't think you can really go wrong with either one, and I'll be happy with whatever the final decision is. Picking a dial color is going to be hard enough! |
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shovel187 3T WIS
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i would definitely like to see the black hands. I have black hands on my 1km and i love the way they blend to the dial. since the jewel of this piece is going to be the bronze case, i think the black hands work better not to draw attention away from the case color. I would be in for one of these in the black or blue dial (usually i am a black dial guy, but the blue has sort of caught my eye... unless of course somehow you decide to do a dark green dial... that would look stunning in contrast with the bronze) |
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arlee 3T WIS
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ladder hands again??! would love to see how it looks with arrow hands, maybe something like what the Omega Broad Arrow has. |
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Steve Laughlin 3T WIS
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ladder hands |
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Steve Laughlin 3T WIS
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I have been a bit busy with the Remora, but Ralf and I have been talking about the Morays every day, the bronze case and the steel case version. I was also contacted by a number of people, they all told me they would prefer the black details with the bronze case. One of them was 3T wis MACBRAD who previously owned a bronze diver and said the black would look the best. For the steel version, we will have the polished hands and an optional orange minute hand for the black and blue dials, I will be showing these steel designs soon, but for now I want to get the bronze going so we can make a few of them. I noticed the other day that my Katana from Japan has bronze bits next to black bits and I really like the way it looks. I remember when I first got the sword and the bronze/copper bits were very shiny and I didn't like them as much as I do now that they are tarnished or have patina. I think the same for the watch, when it is new it will look shiny and the black crown and caseback will contrast with the shiny new case, but after a few weeks, the bronze will settle in and the black will compliment the tones very well.   |
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gazella76 3T WIS
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how about inserting benarus logo somewhere within dail, or even surounding date window....to give special look, just an idea... |
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Steve Laughlin 3T WIS
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gazella76 wrote:how about inserting benarus logo somewhere within dail, or even surounding date window....to give special look, just an idea... do you mean the 3 dolphins? it is too detailed to be that small on the dial. it will be on the case back. |
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lukaslikes 3T WIS
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Skipdawg wrote:Guys this will not be as durable as SS or Ti but the point of the Bronze watch is more of a statement piece. It will hold up rather well and the price point here is awesome. If at the time I am done with my home improvement stuff and updating my home computer network I'll likely jump on this. Have a few more things to do. That is why you all have not seen me buying watches. But may get back at it soon just allot slower for awhile. Since looking at the numbers it seems the alloy to be used, UNI 5275, aka C95520, is very strong and hard, perhaps stronger and harder than the typical stainless steel used for watch cases. One source list the properties of C95520 as (from nbmmetals.com): Tensile Strength: 125 KSI min. Yield Strength: 95 KSI min. Elongation: 2% min. Brinell Hardness: 262 (max?) The more commonly available C95500, suitable for gears and bearings, has these properties: Tensile Strength: 95 KSI min. Yield Strength: 42 KSI min. Elongation: 10% min. Brinell Hardness: 190 (max?) And although there are variations depending on the source, here are properties for a typical 316L stainless steel (from AZOM.com): Tensile Strength: 70 KSI min. Yield Strength: 25 KSI min. Elongation: 40% min. Brinell Hardness: 217 max. This statement is also interesting: Heat Treatment of 316L Solution Treatment (Annealing) - Heat to 1010-1120°C and cool rapidly [water quench]. These grades cannot be hardened by thermal treatment. I'd like to see actual numbers for the materials Benarus use (both the bronze and stainless steel), but at least you can see it is promising for the bronze cases to meet and perhaps exceed the scratch and ding resistance of stainless steel cases. Lukas |
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Devin 3T WIS 
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Steve these look great! If you are still looking for input i think brown dial with pvd case back and crown would punch my ticket. I also really hope i can order one without the date. |
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