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| Franken Ploprof with geniune and fake parts on auction site | Rate Topic |
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| Posted: Sun Jun 1st, 2008 12:44 pm |
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Nalu 3T WIS 
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We've been talking about this one on another forum, but the seller is being such a so-and-so that I've decided to expose him as widely as I can. It's very concerning to me that we're starting to see Ploprofs with a mix of real and fake parts. This means either some unscrupulous person knows that the fakes are getting famous and is trying to camouflage them or Omega are servicing fakes and replacing fake parts with genuine ones  I should note that I have circumstantial evidence that the fake Ploprofs have real cal. 1002s inside and the recent appearance of frankens adds to the body of evidence.First, the listing. This one was previously listed on Chrono24 and didn't sell. Now it's on ePrey and currently at 2000 Euros. Someone is going to have a sore bum! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...0%3D%26fvi%3D1 The watch is a franken of real and fake parts. The case is fake and the dial is fake, the hands and bezel are genuine. Let me go over the telltale signs: Dial 1. Black = no such dial made, only dark blue (early dials) and blue (later dials). 2. The inner 5 minute/hour track - and I apologise to my DeskDivers mates because I remember observing this a while ago and forgot to include it previously so it's not in the DD article - the markers are too thick relative to the lumed, more peripheral hour track. 3. The Omega symbol isn't 'right'. It's hard to see, but if you compare closely, the real Omega symbol has thick parts (the sides of the hoop) and thin parts (the bottom just above the 'feet') - it's not all one thickness like on the fake dials. 4. The other fonts are very, very close, but just not right. Look at the "A" in Professional: flat-topped on the real dials, pointy on the fake. Same with the "A"s in Automatic 5. I suspect the dial lume (most likely luminova) is easily distinguishable from the late 60s Type 1 tritium dials, which have aged considerably and will have a different decay pattern for age and content reasons. I haven't seen a fake dial lume shot, so this is a theory at this point. Genuine early (Type 1) Ploprof dials    Fake Type 1 Dial from this auction:  Case 1. The case has sharp top side edges on the crown and button sides of the watch. The junction between the top and sides in this region of the case should be beveled. 2. The crown recess is a C-front. "All fakes have C-fronts, not all C-fronts are fakes" - you may have to read the DD article to get this. 3. The valleys between the ridges on the back demonstrate the typical rough/cast appearance of the key areas of the fake cases. Genuine Ploprof back  Genuine case crown recess:  Genuine case button side view:  The fake case views:    Here is my first message to the seller: "Hello, I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but the dial and case on this watch are not genuine. For more information, see the http://www.deskdivers.com article on fake Ploprofs. The hands and bezel are genuine, but the case and dial are definitely not. I encourage you to make note of this in the auction listing or pull the listing completely. Thanks for your time, Colin" His reply was unhelpful and I won't print it here. My second message to the seller: "Repaired by Omega only means the movement is genuine, as everyone saw last year during Omegamania when a fake "stubby" SM300 with a genuine movement sold at auction. Omega never made a Ploprof with sharp case edges near the crown as on your watch - they are radiused or beveled. They never made a Ploprof with a black dial. They never made a Ploprof with a rough, cast appearance to the lug recesses and in between the ridges on the back. I spotted this watch as a fake when you had it listed on Chrono24. If you are so sure, then post a photo of the back with the bracelet removed. Post a lume shot too. Fakes almost invariably surface in and around Germany. I'd be interested in hearing where you bought this watch. Didn't you wonder why a type of dial not seen since the first year of Ploprof production is in such great condition? How a dial supposedly from the 1960s has luminova (and not tritium, as it should have) on it? I've owned six Ploprofs of different vintages and have studied photos of dozens of real and fake Ploprofs. The case and dial on this watch are fake. Again, I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news. Colin" His second response was equally unhelpful and won't be repeated. I have sent a third message again asking him to look at the DD articles, telling him I'm trying to help him avoid a disaster and asking him to post photos of his returned spare parts (which I'll bet are a combination of real movement parts and the fake hands and bezel which came on this watch). He replied that he would send me a photo of the spare parts. Today he messaged me again: no photo, only insisting that the watch is real because the dealer said so at the time it was serviced  Feel free to message this seller. We have a week to get him to see the light and keep a fellow WIS from getting ripped off!
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| Posted: Mon Jun 2nd, 2008 07:38 am |
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Paxman 3T WIS 
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Great heads up and noble intenet here, Colin. I don't think the guy wants to stop... money in the bank to him! I've sent off a message via the Bay.
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| Posted: Mon Jun 2nd, 2008 12:25 pm |
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Simon_Leung 3T WIS 
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Thanks for the information,this was the first time I 've seen a Ploprof after hearing about for many years.
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| Posted: Mon Jun 2nd, 2008 07:02 pm |
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murphy j 3T WIS 
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I caught your post over at MWR about this. This is a good place to put it out also.
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| Posted: Mon Jun 2nd, 2008 08:26 pm |
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chunkychew 3T WIS 
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Thanks for the heads up. That's a watch I always like, but don't know too much about. Glad to have guys as knowledgeable as you on my team!
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| Posted: Mon Jun 2nd, 2008 10:48 pm |
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Chick Hazzard 3T WIS 
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The bid is over $5400. I hope it gets pulled before someone loses some bucks. :(
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| Posted: Tue Jun 3rd, 2008 03:32 pm |
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Topher1556 3T WIS 
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It sucks that someone would try to take advantage of another person, and pass along this franken. All I know is, if I was possesed to buy such a historical timepiece, I would surely post every photo possible before I purchased, and I would post tons of photos during a 'review' period before agreeing a deal is done. There are fakes of every kind out there. All the way down to a $50 Casio G Shock! Keep your eyes and ears open, and your wallets closed, unless your positive of what you're getting. Thanks for the great post/review/warning hand6.gif. And sadly, the bid is up over $7000 now face4.gif. edit: And wow...the seller has all of 18 feedback, only 2 as a seller, and it was over 6 mos. since the last sale to a person no longer registered with ebay...hmm...RED FLAG!! Last edited on Tue Jun 3rd, 2008 03:36 pm by Topher1556 |
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| Posted: Tue Jun 3rd, 2008 03:47 pm |
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Nalu 3T WIS
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Thanks for the FB gents, and thanks to any and all who reported this listing to eBay. I think we've got about ten folks now and hopefully eBay is looking harder at this auction. I have put together a detailed group of case photos of a genuine case. It may take a while, but it will eventually be added to the page on fake Ploprofs
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| Posted: Sat Jun 7th, 2008 05:17 pm |
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Paxman 3T WIS
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Nalu wrote: Thanks for the FB gents, and thanks to any and all who reported this listing to eBay. I think we've got about ten folks now and hopefully eBay is looking harder at this auction. Despite who know how many protestations the auction is still open and looks to end in about 22 hours. eBay apparently doesn't care the watch is fake...:X BUMMER!! 
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| Posted: Sat Jun 7th, 2008 06:28 pm |
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oagaspar Site Founder 
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someone is going to pay a lot for a pieces parts watch imho....but the seller is very smart in a cunning way imo as he has stated more than once that this watch has been "revised" which also means altered so in a twisted way he hasn't really stated that the watch was genuine from what I have readcoyote2.gif I look forward to seeing a complete guide with pics of both fake and genuine Colin....it's good to see a WIS step up and clarify for those of us who need to know!,,,,TY Buddy!yahoo.gif
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| Posted: Mon Jun 9th, 2008 04:41 pm |
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Nalu 3T WIS
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DeskDivers has a pretty good guide to fakes on the site now (non-commercial, it's just four nutty WISs), with photos and text explaining the salient points. We need to add the bad news about franken Ploprofs, which a recent development and makes me think that Omega SCs may be inadvertently 'helping' by servicing these watches. The winner of this auction is in Austria, as is the seller. Both are low-FB eBayers :? Two of the bidders who raised the price the most have one FB point each. Is Austria in Denmark this week? Fake Ploprofs are rare, but they are out there. I'm happy to look at photos if anyone has any questions about a listing.
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| Posted: Sun Jul 27th, 2008 08:10 pm |
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Nalu 3T WIS
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Time to bump this thread with the bad news of another Frankenplof sighting, this time in Italy. As with several others that I've found recently, this one is a franken-fake: a mixture of real and fake parts. On this one the bezel and case are fake whilst the dial and hands are genuine. Once again, the seller helps us out with good photos and my suspicion that the fake bezel has no lume is confirmed. ePrey #280249221983, only two days to go and NINE bidders. Bezel problems: 1. Numbers are too close together. 2. Long flag on the "1", thin triangle (correct on the early Type 1 bezels which have different "1"s and "3"s). 3. NO LUME! I've long suspected this was the case, but a seller has never posted a lume shot before. 4. "Lands" on the sides of the bezel aren't parallel and the "grooves" have the typical cast metal appearance.    Case problems: 1. All edges are sharp, none are bevelled. 2. Grooved area on back looks raised instead of being part of the case. Area between ridges has cast appearance. 3. C-front. All fake cases are C-fronts, not all C-fronts are fake however.   Caveat emptor.
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