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Gevril GV2 price increase...?

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Posted: Mon Jul 13th, 2009 10:44 am

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KenC wrote: I do not believe the 80% requirement is in effect yet.
you are correct Ken!...it was voted down unanimously last April 08' as many thought it would harm the Swiss Watch industry...so it remains 51% hand6.gif

Posted: Mon Jul 13th, 2009 02:24 pm

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Simon_Leung wrote: This is what I know so far about the Claro CL 888
caliber automatic movement.

In 1961 Georg von Burg founded CLARO Watch Co.
in Bienne,Switzerland for the finishing of pin-lever
movements and assembly of complete watches
under various brands.

Modern CLARO CL-888:

CLARO-Semag is Fossil's Switzerland based in-house
mechanical movement "manufacturer." Fossil produced
a movement called the CL-888,which was used in the
Zodiac Oceanaire Diver's watch,eventually the same
movement can be found in several Fossil models.

However, according to a moderator of another
watch forum. He concluded that the CL-888 was
fact a Tianjin ST-16. Which became the Tianjin
Sea-Gull.

Here's the kicker, the CL-888 only differs from the
ST-16 in its finishing. It is likely that the movement
was polished and decorated in Switzerland.

What basically Fossil did was that they've turned
a Chinese made movement and called it Swiss.
This is not illegal,according to the Swiss Federation
because it pushed past the 50% mark,in order
to maintain a "Swiss" label.

However, in order to get Swiss Made on the dial.
The watch must be built and assemble in Switzerland,
and it must past the 80% mark to achieve this level.

Both the ST-16 and the CL-888 automatic winding
mechanism,was patented by Seiko, the patent
remained in until the late 1980's or early 1990's.

Unless, Fossil had the movement built under an
agreement with Seiko prior to the purchase of
Zodiac Watch Co.

Cheers,
Simon

What you say about the ST 16 and the CL 888 is correct according to my information however, it is my understanding that the CL 888 is manufactured in both locations. I do not believe that Gevril would use any Asian built movements. I also understand that the 51% rule is still in effect. But, this is interesting and perhaps a little research is in order.

Posted: Mon Jul 13th, 2009 05:25 pm

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I had a chance to talk an
Authorized Dealer for Gevril
here in Vancouver in regards to GV2.

She told me that Gevril had in fact used the
CL-888 on some of their watches.
That has all been changed to the current
GV A0AX32 since the introduction of the
Avenue of America.

In the Official Website, Gevril doesn't
mention whether or not the movement
is Swiss Made.

GV A0AX32 is a 25 Jewel movement.
From this it may sound like an ETA ebauche,
but I have my doubts.

Posted: Mon Jul 13th, 2009 05:26 pm

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nice info on the cl888..

However, I was just commenting on the GV2's that I had seen on e-bay auction, and I went back into my e-bay, and checked all the GV2,s I had been watching, and the majority, were of the CL888, and sold in the price range I quoted,

I was also replying to Ken C, stating that the one's I was talking about were different from the stadiums he was describing which were all ETA 2826-2 movements.

I also have no problem with the CL888, it is a fine movement, and I'm sure Gevril, will be in compliance with the Swiss Federation.

no worries.Bouncy.gif

Posted: Mon Jul 13th, 2009 06:49 pm

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Simon_Leung wrote: I had a chance to talk an
Authorized Dealer for Gevril
here in Vancouver in regards to GV2.

She told me that Gevril had in fact used the
CL-888 on some of their watches.
That has all been changed to the current
GV A0AX32 since the introduction of the
Avenue of America.

In the Official Website, Gevril doesn't
mention whether or not the movement
is Swiss Made.

GV A0AX32 is a 25 Jewel movement.
From this it may sound like an ETA ebauche,
but I have my doubts.

Gevril has been rumored to start their own in house movements for a few years now. Not sure if they are going to be using them in the GV2 line to start but they will be Swiss Made movements from the chatter I have picked up here and there. Sammy Friedman has a reputation for quality so even with the CL 888 I'm sure he and George J von Burg did good with watch and movements in these.

Posted: Tue Jul 14th, 2009 01:45 am

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A big sigh of relief...Thank you.

Posted: Tue Jul 14th, 2009 04:01 pm

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I got a stainless steel version from Sierra a couple of weeks ago, US$ 406, with a 30% discount code ended up paying US$ 284.

Got it with the big wooden box, all papers and a very nice outside box as well.

It came with a gold plated ETA 2824-2.

Very happy with the watch and happier with the price...

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Posted: Tue Jul 14th, 2009 07:23 pm

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ral...you can put all of your pictures in a single post......at any rate, this is the model that was very popular several years ago. Got it from Sierra Post when they had a web site "snafu" and yet still honored the price. I got 2...sold 1 for a net cost of about $30...

Posted: Tue Jul 14th, 2009 08:59 pm

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So what is the story behind GV2? They stopped making them? I managed to find an archived site for the brand, http://www.scoopbags.net/index.html, but no reference at all in the Gevril site.

This is my first automatic watch, and I have been trying to learn as much as possible since I got it.

Posted: Wed Jul 15th, 2009 01:11 pm

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According to a local Authorized Dealer,here in Vancouver.
The GV2 has been discontinued and has
been replaced by the Avenue of America Collection.

Last edited on Wed Jul 15th, 2009 01:11 pm by Simon_Leung

Posted: Wed Jul 15th, 2009 01:33 pm

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Simon_Leung wrote:
According to a local Authorized Dealer,here in Vancouver.
The GV2 has been discontinued and has
been replaced by the Avenue of America Collection.

I don't think the Avenue of America Collection is replacing it. That has been around back to at least 2002.

The GV2 is their Sport collection of watches. A more economical lower priced line to introduce folks to Gevril. So far they have all been limited edition models that I have seen. The Stadium being the most popular to most WIS.

If they have been discontinued I've seen no official word on it any place.

Posted: Wed Jul 15th, 2009 03:22 pm

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ral wrote: So what is the story behind GV2? They stopped making them? I managed to find an archived site for the brand, http://www.scoopbags.net/index.html, but no reference at all in the Gevril site.

This is my first automatic watch, and I have been trying to learn as much as possible since I got it.

http://www.gevril.com

There are no "sport" watches pictured in there "collection"...they may have discontinued the GV2!

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