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| Posted: Tue Dec 18th, 2007 09:25 am |
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glock24 3T WIS
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It was suggested in another thread of mine that my inbound Octo contained an Asian ETA movement. It is advertised as an ETA 2846. I don't understand the difference between Asian and Swiss ETA movements. Can someone enlighten me? Thanks
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| Posted: Tue Dec 18th, 2007 09:56 am |
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KenC Admin 
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To my understanding, an Asian ETA movement can be several things: 1) a cheap movement made on Asian equipment that replicates the ETA movement, or, 2) A movement made in Asia on equipment supplied by the Swiss by people who were trained by the Swiss. 3) Swiss made parts assembled in Asia. 4) Asian made parts assembled in Asia on Swiss ETA back plates or ebauches.
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| Posted: Tue Dec 18th, 2007 10:10 am |
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Upside 3T WIS 
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Well that just opens the door right up doesn't it! So what do I get if I use metal from India to make parts in Switzerland and Germany, assembled in Canada but cased in the USA??:?
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| Posted: Tue Dec 18th, 2007 10:27 am |
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hucky 3T WIS 
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You get corporate business as usual :shock:
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| Posted: Tue Dec 18th, 2007 11:51 am |
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glock24 3T WIS
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Hmm . . . so is there a way to confirm or deny if a watch (any watch) contains a Swiss made ETA? Last edited on Tue Dec 18th, 2007 11:51 am by glock24 |
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| Posted: Tue Dec 18th, 2007 01:26 pm |
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Dookie 3T WIS
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glock24 wrote: Hmm . . . so is there a way to confirm or deny if a watch (any watch) contains a Swiss made ETA?i think the asians constantly coming up with new stuff everyday.its realy hard to keep up on wat is real or not. Ultimately the only real way to test is on the timing machine. Imo they can copy all the aesthetics they want to make it look authentic but they cant replicate the performance. yourock.gifyourock.gif Chris Last edited on Tue Dec 18th, 2007 01:26 pm by Dookie |
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| Posted: Tue Dec 18th, 2007 01:33 pm |
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Upside 3T WIS
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hucky wrote: You get corporate business as usual :shock: heh heh heh;)
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| Posted: Tue Dec 18th, 2007 03:15 pm |
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romano 3T WIS 
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Not so sure that timing would even work. We are talking about an ETA movement here which are essential mass produced by Swatch group. With good tooling and commitment to quality anyone can produce a mechanism that will run within the tolerances . I'm just not certain that the lower end standard ETAs would perofrm any better than a well made Asian copy. After all with a little help from a few spies and friends in Washington the Chinese have a manned space program.
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| Posted: Tue Dec 18th, 2007 06:34 pm |
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Eric L. 3T WIS 
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"Asian ETA" is a common term used when discussing replica watches - it is basically a Chinese copy of an ETA movement. Last I checked, these perform ok but definitely break down earlier than genuine ETA movements. "Swiss ETA" refers to a genuine ETA movement. As ETA is a Swiss company, they can manufacture the movements anywhere they want, including Asia, provided the quality control meets a certain standard. If you are considering a rep, get the one with the gen ETA movement - when the watch falls apart (the crown threads, or the HRV falls off) at least you will have an ETA movement you can use somewhere else.
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| Posted: Tue Dec 18th, 2007 08:17 pm |
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Wesman Guest
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Glock24: While the term "Asian ETA" movement is a loose term and definately open to a variety of definitions, in your case, there is no need for too much special concern. Octo is a very reputable company. The ETA movement inside your watch is an authentic ETA movement. It is not any sort of replica, reproduction, or unauthorized copy. It is, however, an ETA movement that is authorized and designed by ETA to be manufactured in Asia (China) and distributed to the Asian market. From all reports, it is made to the exact mechanical specifications as any other ETA movement of its type and calibre, it is just made at a cheaper overall production cost and at a much closer distribution point to its ultimate use. One of the signs that it is an Asian-produced ETA movement is that it will be colored in gold, as you will see when you get your watch. You will also see that it is officially signed and stamped ETA. There has been some discussion and debate whether these ETA movements produced in and made for the Asian market are of equivalent quality as the non-Asian market equivalents. All I can say is that the jury remains out so far and there has been no overwhelming evidence to end the debate. I would be very surprised if your movement is not within specs. when it arrives. Hope this helps. Last edited on Tue Dec 18th, 2007 08:19 pm by |
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| Posted: Tue Dec 18th, 2007 08:25 pm |
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glock24 3T WIS
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Yes, that clears it up for me. Thank you Wesman
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| Posted: Tue Dec 18th, 2007 09:12 pm |
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oagaspar Site Founder 
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Wesman wrote: This may have held true except Octo along with many other Swiss companies that went out of bussiness becuase of the Quartz Revolution in the 70's were purchased and ressurected by an Asian bussinessman a few years ago and after selling off all the NOS watches that were left in stock has now been producing nothing but reproductions;)....and Asian eta is a copy of a Swiss eta plain and simple made in Asia using Asian parts....Swatch/ETA had a Chinese facility that assemebled genuine eta movements but was closed this yearwatch2.gifWith the cost of both genuine and Asian etas today being triple the cost over a year ago I would highly doubt a watch being sold NIB for $129. would have a genuine eta....you can't buy the movement for that price today(perhaps a 21j 2846) and that it doesn't hack and has 25j is another reason for doubt...not sayinf one isn't made but I never saw 1 :?...read the vendors description closely and you will not read anywhere that they are genuine....just a lot of possibles maybe's  Glock24: While the term "Asian ETA" movement is a loose term and definately open to a variety of definitions, in your case, there is no need for too much special concern. Octo is a very reputable company. The ETA movement inside your watch is an authentic ETA movement. It is not any sort of replica, reproduction, or unauthorized copy. It is, however, an ETA movement that is authorized and designed by ETA to be manufactured in Asia (China) and distributed to the Asian market. From all reports, it is made to the exact mechanical specifications as any other ETA movement of its type and calibre, it is just made at a cheaper overall production cost and at a much closer distribution point to its ultimate use. One of the signs that it is an Asian-produced ETA movement is that it will be colored in gold, as you will see when you get your watch. You will also see that it is officially signed and stamped ETA.
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