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| Posted: Wed Dec 19th, 2007 12:27 am |
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Wesman Guest
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Well, the plot thickens. One of my references is the PMWF Watch Shop. The Octo's that are being sold there are all equipped with ETA movements. Reto includes a nice discussion at the top of the "Octo" section regarding some of the points that you mention. He is a very vigilant watch enthusiast and would not sell any watch with any kind of fake ETA movement. I have a Croton 300 meter Super "C" with one of the faux-gold plated ETA 2836 movements (assembled in China) and it runs right along within specs. and is stamped ETA. The watch was less than $200 new. Sandoz also uses Asian-assembled ETA movements I believe. I don't think ETA would tolerate any kind of fake signed/stamped movements for very long. I could be wrong, but OCTO and Sandoz and Croton would have been sued and shut-down by now I would think. Last edited on Wed Dec 19th, 2007 12:49 am by |
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| Posted: Wed Dec 19th, 2007 01:12 am |
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oagaspar Site Founder 
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I have no idea what your level of WISdom is but 1st of all the Croton SuperC has a Japanese Miyota movt. in it in the SS /pvd versions that sold for $199/$399. and you are talking about a made for TV watch.....Octo and Sandoz went out of bussiness in 1970 era and were purchased and resurrected by a Asian businessman a few years ago....both being made in Asia today(Phillipines what I have been told)....read the addy closely or just copy it here and show me where it says it is definetly Swiss Made?...it is also advertised as a 25j eta....the eta2846 is a 21j movement not 25 and it sells for $89.by itself right now so at $129. for the watch what exactly do you think the vendor payed for it from the dealer? if it is NOS is one thing but reproduction is another imho The day of the Swiss Made/Movt' watch for $199. are over and the Swiss Federation will be voting in April 08' to toughen the existing Swiss Made law so that these guys can't slip through the cracks anymorehand6.gif....btw every replica manufacturer claims Swiss Made and Swiss eta and stamped eta/Swiss Made as well...do you believe them?
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| Posted: Wed Dec 19th, 2007 02:19 am |
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Wesman Guest
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The Croton Super "C" I have is the Rose Gold 300 meter Sapphire Crystal ETA Automatic movement. They were definitely indeed made and sold by Croton. They were available many places, including ShopNBC not more than 7 or 8 months ago. I certainly don't want to get into a knock-down, drag-out battle over this. But, again, I don't think Reto would be selling OCTO's with fake movements. Just for clarification, is that what you are saying? Do you really think that he would traffic in fake movements and misrepresent his watches in this way? Should this be brought to his attention? With all due respect, Reto has been around for decades and has owned and worked on many Swiss Movements. I trust his descriptions and he has never once been known to misrepresent a watch. You mentioned that the ETA 2846 movement is a 21 jewel movement and not a 25 jewel movement. Let me refer you to the Pilot Retro Automatic Ref. 6554 by Zeno-Watch Basel. They use a 25 jewel 2846 and surely no one would accuse this of being fake. By the way, the 2846 was also made as a 17 jewel movement by ETA as well - not commonly known however. Last edited on Wed Dec 19th, 2007 03:20 am by |
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| Posted: Wed Dec 19th, 2007 06:12 am |
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glock24 3T WIS
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Here is the information I considered before making my Octo purchase. The question now obviously is the validity of this information; http://www.pmwf.com/cgi-bin/SalesForum/webbbs_config.cgi?noframes;read=81468 http://www.pmwf.com/Watches/WATCHSALES/OCTOSalesTable.htm
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| Posted: Wed Dec 19th, 2007 09:02 am |
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Crue4 3T WIS 
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Just know that there are Asian copies of eta that are stamped with the eta logo out there in bunches... just because it is stamped eta doesn't mean it is eta.
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| Posted: Wed Dec 19th, 2007 09:49 am |
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KenC Admin 
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pmwf is, to the best of my knowledge, very reputable. The facts are there and, while he doesn't guarantee it, the reasonable assumption is, by the forum owner, that the Swiss Made is legit. Note that it is a non-hacking movement.
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| Posted: Wed Dec 19th, 2007 11:13 am |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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The Croton SuperC Rose Gold did indeed come with an eta but it did not sell for under $199. as you claim Wesman....and they only sold on Slopnbc....unless some found their way to TJMaxx!:D 2 Conflicting addys for the same watch and 2 different movements?!.... the one on PMWF clearly states it was taken from the Pronto page and not the words of the owner....Pronto is an Asian watch co. of the same caliber as these Octo's that are surfacing...no where does the seller guarantee these are truly Swiss Made nor have genuine eta movements nor that they are NOS....they both just presume based on the assumption that the manufacturer is reputable and abiding by the Swiss Fed. standards and regulations....all I am saying is buyer beware:P Many of us purchased the Mido Commander for the same price and lower that were advertised as NOS a couple years ago,but since then many are resurfacing and being sold as re-productions out of the Phillipines...these original NOS versions arrived in the original blue sealant applied to the entire watch while stored and original carriage...they were representitive of the era....a couple members even ordered extra links through Mido so a feeling of ease was felt as these being the original article;) In no way is anyone stating that PMWF is not a reputable source.I have the utmost respect for both the forum and owner as 3T has always cross-posted with them as well as allowing links....and at $129. the Octo may be a very good buy imho regardless of originhand6.gif No one has called the movement a fake but the possibility of it being Asian....which to me is the best alternative to the Swiss eta because it was the Swiss who trained the Asians in watch-making to begin with and they have had years of experience in cloning the movement:D
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| Posted: Wed Dec 19th, 2007 11:25 am |
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KenC Admin
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oagaspar wrote: The Croton SuperC Rose Gold did indeed come with an eta but it did not sell for under $199. as you claim Wesman....and they only sold on Slopnbc....unless some found their way to TJMaxx!:D 2 Conflicting addys for the same watch and 2 different movements?!.... the one on PMWF clearly states it was taken from the Pronto page and not the words of the owner....Pronto is an Asian watch co. of the same caliber as these Octo's that are surfacing...no where does the seller guarantee these are truly Swiss Made nor have genuine eta movements nor that they are NOS....they both just presume based on the assumption that the manufacturer is reputable and abiding by the Swiss Fed. standards and regulations....all I am saying is buyer beware:P Ah, yes...good ol' TJ Maxx!!!yourock.gif
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