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| Posted: Mon Jul 12th, 2010 10:18 pm |
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GIFFORD 3T WIS 
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So today I present to you a newly inherited Rolex Oyster Perpetual Date Submariner. The family doesn't think this is a real Rolex. So I happily offered to buy it and it was given to me for a wedding gift. Here are a few things that have me confused. The lume still works pretty well. For being such an old watch I don't see why a fake would have used real tritium paint (T<25 on the dial). The crown is not signed, it looks like the Rolex logo may have popped out at some time, this to me screams fake, but I really have no clue about old Rolex's designs,real or fake. When you pull out the crown there is still a rubber seal in there, which builds my confidence in the crown a bit. The dial reads as follows: ROLEX oyster perpetual date SUBMARINER 1000ft=300m superlative chronometer officially certified Then down at the bottom of the dial it says: swiss -- T<25 And yes the bezel insert is missing. What do you guys think??? Here are the pics:     
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| Posted: Tue Jul 13th, 2010 11:11 am |
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murphy j 3T WIS 
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I think that if it's real, then it has aftermarket parts on it. The hands don't look right to me and you already know the crown isn't right. The only sure way to tell is to have it opened and check the movement to see if it's correct. You could also send it to Rolex for service and see if they send it back. If they go ahead and service it then it will be pricey as they will charge you for any parts replaced on top of the basic service fee. Last time I checked the basic service (clean, oil, adjust) was around $550. I will say that if it is real, then good score.
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| Posted: Tue Jul 13th, 2010 03:18 pm |
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Skipdawg 3T WIS 
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Big congrats. Enjoy!
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| Posted: Tue Jul 13th, 2010 03:28 pm |
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Hammerfjord Moderator 
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I would have open it at once to see the mvt...And then check the case numbers.
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| Posted: Tue Jul 13th, 2010 05:23 pm |
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mcwright Admin 
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Not sure about that crown. But, both of my 1970's Rolex GMT II bracelets did not have solid end links. The center links were also hollow on the two tone version I owned. The lume on my oldest 1970-2 GMT stainless was dead when I sold it. Tritnium supposedly has a half life of about 12 years. See picture of my Two-Tone GMT with standard folded end links: Attachment: rolexgmtback1.jpg (Downloaded 74 times)
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| Posted: Tue Jul 13th, 2010 05:39 pm |
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murphy j 3T WIS
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I also have the folded end links and hollow center links on my stainless sub bracelet. It's a 96 bracelet and I believe the solid end links are a recent upgrade to the oyster style bracelet.
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| Posted: Tue Jul 13th, 2010 07:49 pm |
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oagaspar Site Founder 
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...here is a list of what Rolies came with a SEL and below that a list of Rolie models that can use the new SEL bracelets... Bracelets & Endpieces Daytona 6239 7205 71 7835 571 78350 571 6251 74 Daytona 6263 7835 571 78350 571 Daytona 6265 7835 571 78350 571 Daytona 16520 78360 503 78390 503B 78390 A SEL Daytona 116520 78490 SEL Sea Dweller 1655 93150 585 Sea Dweller 16600 93160 592B SEL Sea Dweller 16660 93160 592 SEL Submariner 5508 7206 58 6636 58 Submariner 6536 7206 58 6636 58 Submariner 5512 7206 80 9315 280* 93150 580 Submariner 5513 7206 80 9315 280* 93150 580 Submariner 1680 9315 280 93150 580 Submariner 16800 93150 593 Submariner 168000 93150 593 Submariner 16610 93150 501B 93250 SEL GMT 6542 7206 80 GMT 1675 7206 58 7836 280 78360 580 6251 55 62510 H 550 GMT 16750 78360 580 62510H 550 93150 580 GMT 16700 78360 501B 78790A SEL 62510 H 502 B GMT II 16760 78360 501 78790A SEL 62510 H 502 B GMT II 16710 78360 501 78790A SEL 62510 H 502 B ( T ) Milgauss 1019 7206 58 6636 58 7836 258 78360 580 93150 580 Explorer 1016 7206 58 7836 280* 78360 580 Explorer 14270 78790 558B 78690 SEL Explorer II 1655 7206 58 7836 280* 78360 580 Explorer II 16550 7206 58 7836 280* 78360 501 Explorer II 16570 78360 501B 78790 501 B 78790A SEL *380 is also correct – considered an improvement over earlier 280 The #20ROSEL is made specifically to fit these Rolex models:
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| Posted: Sat Jul 17th, 2010 07:02 pm |
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tombs 3T WIS 
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Nice vintage Rolex Congrats
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| Posted: Sat Jul 17th, 2010 08:27 pm |
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Nabco 3T WIS 
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Great watch....would be awesome to get it restored 
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| Posted: Sun Jul 18th, 2010 03:29 am |
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Graham 3T WIS 
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Gifford It might just be your pics, but the colour of the writing on the dial is wrong - even for vintage models. The markers don't look right, and the colour is off for vintage. The dimples on the bezel don't have the right profile. That crown screams fake. The hands are not right. As Oscar suggested, check the numbers and then pop the hood. If you can't do that, ask a watchmaker to put it on a timing macine. (if it runs.) I bet the movement is ticking at less than the required 28800 bph. I'm afraid you're going to be disappointed with this one. Somehow I hope I'm wrong.... Do keep us posted.
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| Posted: Sun Jul 18th, 2010 08:17 am |
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bigrustypig 3T WIS 
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oagaspar wrote: sorry...my bad...for whatever reason I thought the Sub 1680 came with a SEL bracelet...but it will accept one from what I have read...here is a list of what Rolies came with a SEL and below that a list of Rolie models that can use the new SEL bracelets... What a lode of info, Oscar! Thanks 
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| Posted: Sun Jul 18th, 2010 08:21 am |
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bigrustypig 3T WIS
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GIFFORD wrote: So today I present to you a newly inherited Rolex Oyster Perpetual Date Submariner. The family doesn't think this is a real Rolex. So I happily offered to buy it and it was given to me for a wedding gift. Here are a few things that have me confused. Gifford....I don't think the watch is genuine. Here's my grab: the date font style is off a little, the point of the Mercedes hour hand is not quite right and the alignment of the crown of the logo to the 12 marker point is not it. The lume of the markers, as spotted by Graham, is also off. Just my opinion....
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