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 Posted: Tue Dec 16th, 2008 10:04 pm
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http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/null/111811


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For you I.E. users a fix is coming:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28258894/

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Yea that was on the news this morning. I'd suggest till a fix comes along if you are going to any questionable sites and normally use IE get and use Opera or Firefox to check out unknown sites till the fix is available.

If you have a good firewall in place you are likely safe too in most cases. But not always so safe surfing. ;)

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Thanks so much Chick! And thanks McWright and Skip. Though I do have a good firewall, I downloaded Mozilla Foxfire last night, but for some odd reason my Windows Media Player is disabled! :(

It's a bit strange after using IE all these years and taking some getting used to, but until Microsoft fixes the security hole, I'll muddle through. At least I feel safe. Many thanks Chick! You're a prince!!!! ;) :cool: :)

Last edited on Wed Dec 17th, 2008 09:21 am by aloy

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Many thanks.  :)

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1st...thanks for the notice.

2nd...Here we go again...Microsoft products are bad...every thing else is good.  Why do people expect Microsoft products to be 100% from day one?  Hackers do things that no one else would dream of!

Why is Microsoft so vulnerable?  Simple, it is because they are 80% to 95% of the market depending on the product used.  Simple business directs hackers/criminals to search for ways to beat MS as that way, their "work" is most profitable.  Why figure out ways to defeat 20% of the market when 80% is where the money is?

My personal experience with Mozilla's Firefox is that it causes problems with other programs that the requires a reloading of the OS to correct.

I would say that finding out about a problem late last week and delivering a solution by today to all users is fantastic customer service!

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LOL yea Ken MS is just good old Patchware. :cool: :D More and more I think about going back to linux or going to Mac. :)

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Thanks for the heads up but, I have not used any version MS exploder for many years. I never liked the way it worked and have used Netscape and Firefox as the alternative. Right now I use Firefox v3.0.1 with all sorts of custom add ons tailored to my personal likes.

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Skipdawg wrote: LOL yea Ken MS is just good old Patchware. :cool: :D More and more I think about going back to linux or going to Mac. :)

I have no experience with Linux, but I believe it is simply a variant of the old Bell System's UNIX as is Xenix, Unisys, etc.  Everything (in the software world) is patchwork.  Writers develop a program, Alpha test it in a tight controlled group; Beta test it in a larger, less controlled arena in MS case, I would assume it involves hundreds of thousands if not millions) and all the problems that are discovered are fixed (in itself, a patchwork process).  After general release, with (in the case of MS is to hundreds of millions of users), it is natural that more problems are found, and then, yes, patchworked...it is how quickly and universally they are patchworked that is the mark of quality.

MAC, I have experience with...a good operating system - yes.  A lot of viruses - no; but then again, what hacker worth his salt wants to create something that only effect 6% of the marketplace.  Software availability and expense vs reward has caused virtually every major company to switch from MAC to PC platforms...that alone should send a message since Apple once ruled the marketplace.

To bring it into perspective, try building something for general use that does not have some flaws.  And to bring it into our environment, companies that have been building watches for decades still produce a % of their product with inherent flaws, be they Swiss, Japanese or Asian (we know the German's never make mistakes - ask Ernie's buddy).  If Mozilla Firefox (a FREE product) were problem free and far superior, it would have 80% of the market instead of 20%...God knows it's been around long enough.  When and if it gets to 50% of the market, hackers will attack it...same with MAC!...By the way, if MAC is all that great, why did they enter an agreement with Intel to produce a chip so that WindowsXP could be mounted on it?

Just my take on things!

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First off, Mac's market share is now approaching 8%. Second, Firefox is a good program and shouldn't cause any problems running on either a Mac or a PC.

As for I.E. having another security hole, it will be fixed in a few days and you should be able to download the update. I thought the article was a little over the top suggesting you run out and start using another browser. It was sort of like running through the village yelling "the sky is falling."

Best suggestion is to be careful, do your surfing and log off until the fix is available. If you want to try another browser, it won't hurt, but it may not be all that necessary for most people.

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mcwright wrote:
First off, Mac's market share is now approaching 8%. Second, Firefox is a good program and shouldn't cause any problems running on either a Mac or a PC.

As for I.E. having another security hole, it will be fixed in a few days and you should be able to download the update. I thought the article was a little over the top suggesting you run out and start using another browser. It was sort of like running through the village yelling "the sky is falling."

Best suggestion is to be careful, do your surfing and log off until the fix is available. If you want to try another browser, it won't hurt, but it may not be all that necessary for most people.



Mike...a reasoned approach, as I know you are a dedicated MAC user.  Even at 8%, though, the theory still holds.  And while I have had nothing but problems with Firefox, I know others love it.

My bottom line is that all systems have problems and that one needs to consider the reasons for them and, most of all, how it will effect them.

Thanks for your input!

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 Posted: Wed Dec 17th, 2008 12:21 pm
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Well, the stupid thing is Safari has had security holes also. So, no doubt has Firefox had a few.

I just thought the article was going too far suggesting that the people run out an install another browser. Be warned, sure.

Next month it will be something else anyway (i.e. hackers will find some other thing to expose).

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