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| Posted: Mon Dec 29th, 2008 09:55 am |
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Norman 3T WIS 
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..by 20 seconds a day. Now this is new but in the jewlers case since at least 2005. I know this because there is no anti counterfit mark on the case back, and they started that in '06. I know there's different opinions on a auto just sitting and whether it's just as in need of service as one worn. Should I ask for a complete service? and I'll ask to have it demagnatized as well or checked for that. thanks
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| Posted: Mon Dec 29th, 2008 10:05 am |
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Skipdawg 3T WIS 
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That can happen to a unworn watch after awhile. Often just wearing it for a few days gets in back into proper time keeping without servicing. But you could always ask for that to be done as part of the sale. Also ask about return policy if not happy with it. many shops I have seen have a restoking fee and some don't take a return after so many days if a small place.
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| Posted: Mon Dec 29th, 2008 10:37 am |
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KenC Admin 
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The only reason for paying AD prices is for the "value added" service. SInce it is new, the AD needs to insure it is "spot on"!
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| Posted: Tue Dec 30th, 2008 05:03 am |
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Norman 3T WIS
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I guess I was asking opinions on a watch sitting idle for 3-4 yrs requires the same service as if it were worn. I fully intend on having my AD getting it COSC accurate
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| Posted: Tue Dec 30th, 2008 07:38 am |
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Paxman 3T WIS 
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I would think if the watch has been sitting idle for that amount of time it might benefit from a lube or service. I hate to say it buddy, but this has been giving you some trouble.:X Hope it all works out!
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| Posted: Tue Dec 30th, 2008 08:41 am |
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e.avery 3T WIS 
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The AD will send it back to Omega to be serviced, and they will write it off as part of the cost of doing business. Omega has offered me good customer service in the past, and I would expect nothing less. The luxury goods segment of the economy is a service oriented segment. The product is most cases is secondary in its ability to produce a profitable revenue stream.
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| Posted: Tue Dec 30th, 2008 09:04 am |
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Norman 3T WIS
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Thanks all.:cool:
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| Posted: Tue Dec 30th, 2008 09:59 pm |
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e.avery 3T WIS
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We and most watch movement designers refer to the phenomenon as pooling or capillary action. I wish I could tell you I read the posts, but I blanked out after the first couple. The study of such things is refereed to as tribology, and people spend a lot of money and time to understand it. Trust me I have gone to sleep in lots of conferences that dealt with such issues. Tribology and polymer chemistry and there application in horology make me take a quick and deep nap. The best sleep I got all year was in the end of November at an SSC breakfast, which to anyone that knows me is a late dinner, but it was very informative. Sorry, I get kind of talkative when I drink to much, or is that typeative.
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| Posted: Tue Dec 30th, 2008 10:47 pm |
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Norman 3T WIS
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LOL!..e.avery,that was a very amusing response! I appreciate it. I guess the bottom line question is, since I have your attention (or the most you make available ;)). Does a watch require the same service in 4 yrs. sitting idle, as a watch that's worn frequently for the same period? I re-read your post, and another question comes to mind..."movement designer?" ..haven't they been designed to death? I mean, the co-axial was considered a radical and a different approach from the great swiss designers prior to it. Where does a "movement designer" go from there? Last edited on Tue Dec 30th, 2008 10:56 pm by Norman |
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| Posted: Wed Dec 31st, 2008 07:19 am |
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e.avery 3T WIS
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This is truly a complicated subject, but here is a short version. The service interval of a watch is dependent on a few factors use, periodic winding, environmental conditions exposed to, types of oil used, etc.. An automatic watch worn every day or kept on a winder will most likely need service every 3 years. If the watch is wound every couple of weeks, and worn infrequently the interval can be pushed up to around 5 years. Environmental conditions will affect a movement more than one would think, due to the case being water resistant and not air resistant. Watch cases breath as they go through the natural heat cool cycle. They breath in as they cool and out as they heat up. This flow will tend to dry out the lubricants used in a movement. If you keep a mechanical watch in a window sill or in a car in the summer the effects can be seen relatively quickly. Desert conditions will also have an effect on the service intervals. The most important factor is the type of oil used. To keep this short, there are 2 types of lubricants that are used in 99.9% of watches synthetic and non-synthetic. Synthetic will last longer and work better due to its purity and the consistent shape of the molecules. When you get a movement cleaned and oiled just as what type of lubricant they are using. How the case is sealed plays a role in that it's sole purpose is to case and protect the movement. Mechanical watches need to be serviced at around 1 to 3 years, dependent on use. This is due to the higher stresses that are applied due to the reduced mechanical advantage. The added force that one feels when winding a mechanical, when compared to an automatic, places added stress on the plate from the crown etc.. History has shown that the most resilient watches tend to be sport watches with an automatic movements due to there increased service intervals. These factors are only relevant if the watch was serviced properly. Human error does and always will have the greatest effect on the service intervals of a watch, so it is better to error on the side of caution. Your Omega needs to be serviced and adjusted, because it is out of spec. COSC movements are less susceptible to many of the problems of lubrication migration that a standard movement would suffer from. This is mainly due to the tolerances and the extra time and attention paid to its assembly. I wish I could have given a simble yes or no answer but there are a lot of compounding issues to consider. As far as movement design the sky is the limit. It is just what one is willing to pay for, and the technology. With the younger people working there way up the ranks the future is brite.
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| Posted: Wed Dec 31st, 2008 02:21 pm |
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Norman 3T WIS
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Thanks e.avery, I appreciate your response and it's great having a:shock: sagacious :shock: WIS available to us. Ok, so there are too many factors involved when decideing whether to service a dormant watch, I'll accept that and take advantage of my warrenty. The design topic is interesting. Are designers actively trying to re-invent a movement that does the same job of, say a ETA 2892? or, when you say 'the skys the limit' you're talking more about complication movements. Thanks again. Just to clarify my question; I understand there will always be a desire to strengthen metals and experiment with better coatings etc. My question is more about the re-engineering of a standard and proven movement. Last edited on Wed Dec 31st, 2008 02:36 pm by Norman |
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| Posted: Wed Dec 31st, 2008 02:36 pm |
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e.avery 3T WIS
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The real innovations in movement design are going to be in the areas of lubrication and extending the service intervals out past the 5 year interval.
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