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| Posted: Mon Oct 1st, 2007 05:39 pm |
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Crue4 3T WIS 
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oagaspar wrote: Watch the video in this thread link Crue and maybe you will have a bit more insight as to where replicas are made. Certainly was informative, but nothing I didn't expect.. I suspect many of the "chinese made cases and watches are made by similar means" Last edited on Mon Oct 1st, 2007 08:06 pm by Crue4 |
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| Posted: Mon Oct 1st, 2007 06:02 pm |
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oagaspar Site Founder 
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Crow you know as well as I know Invicta has made maybe 2 watches using the 7750 so make another excuse to justify your means :D I knew this subject would turn into this when it 1st got posted and I let it go knowingly but I honestly wanted to see who would come out to play!....I have to admit some of the pro rep comparisons and analogies are far beyond what I even expected.. and Crue I have no idea what you are talking about at all! 
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| Posted: Mon Oct 1st, 2007 06:36 pm |
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Crue4 3T WIS
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Prob better to let this topic just die... really not a big deal... heck I don't even own a replica..
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| Posted: Mon Oct 1st, 2007 06:47 pm |
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Skipdawg 3T WIS 
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Always good to discuss as long as it stays civil. ;) For you never know whose eyes are watching. :cool:
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| Posted: Mon Oct 1st, 2007 07:40 pm |
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OldeCrow 3T WIS 
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oagaspar wrote: Crow you know as well as I know Invicta has made maybe 2 watches using the 7750 so make another excuse to justify your means :D I knew this subject would turn into this when it 1st got posted and I let it go knowingly but I honestly wanted to see who would come out to play!....I have to admit some of the pro rep comparisons and analogies are far beyond what I even expected.. and Crue I have no idea what you are freakin' taliking about at all! I don't need excuses or justifications like I already said I sleep fine but you just proved my point, the Chinese 7750 remians a valueable learning tool for me and the cheapest place I have been able to find the Chinese 7750 is in replicas. When the Germanese ones come down a bit more in price they will make suitable substitutes for the replicas but until then.... I think it would be more suitable to call my position a "don't care" rather than "Pro" It's not that everybody is wrong and I am right, clearly that would be silly it's just that the real tragedy behind replicas is the same problem that legitimate goods from Asia represent but it's easier to get all self righteous about replicas and parrot copyright trademark blah blah blah and pretend we are not all guilty of contributing to the real problems western gluttony has created for the rest of the word. I guess my point is clearly it's not legal and I disagree on how "wrong" it is by degrees not in principal. If you want to be indignant and go all "Onward Christian Solder" by all means go for it but you could pick a better fight! Crue , there is more than one Enzo in the watch community. I understand the one who makes the ENZO's we see here is a different Enzo than in the rep community. I believe that is where your confusion comes from. If I am just completely wrong and replicas really are the despicable root of all evil I would love to hear the reasons why, I can be persuaded!
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| Posted: Mon Oct 1st, 2007 07:41 pm |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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I enjoy these types of threads because it allows the members to voice their opinions and Like Skip says as long as it stays civil it is all good  This subject has long been kept in the closet and needs to be brought out ....I know where Crow is coming from and in some way it is a testament to where the current situtaion with watch movements and huge conglomerites who are buying up the little guy are headed imo!,is buying a rep the solution? I don't know but it is an option for many....surprising to some who are starting out but most of the brands out there are nothing more than a rep with there logo on the dial...the difference is that these can be fully produced in a Asian shop whereas the rep is taken into homes as the video shows to be assembled by non experienced people ....now not all reps are done this way as there are those more experienced who buy them and take them to the next level with QC and adjustments but they cost ...not as much as an original but expensive for a fake.Bottom line is it is illegal however you look at it and had been taboo for as long as I have been collecting...there is a large number of collectors who only collect reps and they do not try to portray them as anything but reps so there is a place for them regardless of what many may think.....I will make my comparison to marijuana/pot...it is illegal as well but whole heck of alot of people still buy it and smoke it ...should it be legalized?,many believe it should....same goes with reps as long as no one gets hurt is the old adage....but let me ask...."Is someone getting hurt'?
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| Posted: Mon Oct 1st, 2007 10:58 pm |
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steve6387 3T WIS 
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I haven't spent much time thinking about replicas and really appreciate this thread. oagaspar wrote: ..there is a large number of collectors who only collect reps and they do not try to portray them as anything but reps so there is a place for them regardless of what many may think Even in this case, wouldn't the original manufacturer who put the work and resources into their design still have a valid gripe? Whether I am a well known brand or a smaller company trying to make a mark..... If it's being manufactured and sold with my name on it and it's my design... aren't the motives of the buyer really irrelevant? --Steve
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| Posted: Mon Oct 1st, 2007 11:13 pm |
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mjl4321 3T WIS 
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(where's the emoticon with the smiley hitting it's head against a brick wall!?) Yes they would have a 'gripe'....because they are not getting a cent in revenue from the guy who sold the watch! And, their brand is getting devalued with every sale. They don't do this just so that they can see their name on the dial of a watch, they are running a business. steve6387 wrote:
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| Posted: Mon Oct 1st, 2007 11:14 pm |
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oagaspar Site Founder
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Yes Steve imho anyone who holds a patent and is ripped off has a legitimate gripe.Here is a interesting post made by a rep collector on a blog...I have removed the names to protect the innocent. I read an excellent post over at ...that outlines all the lies surrounding replica watches. This list was written by ... and I think it will be useful to anyone first discovering the replica watch industry. Many arrive here with minds polluted by scam sites and scam "review" sites: all peddlers of lies and deception. In an effort to help cleanse the noobs' minds of this filth, I propose the following 10 common and devious lies and misconceptions about replica watches, and the business of manufacturing and selling replica watches. Lie #1: The best replica watches are made in Switzerland, followed closely by Italy. -- This is the biggest lie of all. All replica watches are made somewhere in Asia, mostly China. Saying that replicas are made in Switzerland or Italy is a lie intended to extract more money from the ignorant. Lie #2: Replica watches are graded according to quality. C (or whatever) is the lowest and AAA+++ (or whatever) is the highest. -- Who decides what is "C" and what is "A"? The "International Replica Watch Governing Board"? Pure nonsense designed, again, to get more of your dollars. Lie #3: The movements in "Swiss made" replicas are identical to the genuine watch movements. 27 jewel movements are the best. -- (See Lie #1 for "Swiss made".) Far from the truth. Very few replica watch movements come from anywhere but China and any watchman can immediately tell it's not genuine. There are no 27 jewels movements in replica watches; only 25, 21, or 17. Lie #4: The best replicas are 99% true to the genuine and will even fool an Authorized Dealer (AD). -- Not true. While some may be close (picking a number is impossible) to the genuine, all replicas are flawed. Do you really think you can spend $200 or less and get a watch that's 99% identical to a $4,000-20,000 watch? As for fooling ADs, maybe. Common clerks are easily fooled, but seasoned ADs, upon close inspection, will know it's a replica. Lie #5: The gold on "Swiss grade" replicas is much higher than on other replicas. The crown, bezel, and mid links are solid gold and the full-gold replicas are 5-wrapped (or 6-wrapped, or whatever). -- While a few models have been shown to have solid gold mid links (Rolex replicas), the rest of the watch is gold plated or double or triple wrapped gold. ("Search" for threads on how this is done.) Lie #6: The best Rolex replicas are made with 904L grade steel. -- Big fat lie. Good replicas are made with 316L quality steel. Rolex is the only company that uses 904L steel and it costs 3 times as much as 316L (one reason why they are so expensive). Replicas are not made with 440 steel, either. Lie #7: Buying a replica watch is risky, but not if you use sellers from "Replica Review" sites. -- What most people don't know is the "review" sites are owned and operated by the people who run the sites they recommend--it's very incestuous. These "review" sites are clever and it's easy to get taken in by their lies. Lie #8: You can tell you're getting a good watch after a thorough examination of the web site. -- Please. If you think everything displayed on the web is true, you deserve to be fleeced. Scam sites lie about everything, from the quality of their goods to their pledge to make sure every customer is happy. Many even post pictures of genuine watches, (Look for pictures where the watch hands are set at "10:10." Pictures of genuine watches seen in advertisements are always set to "10:10.") but send you junk. Lie #9: Picking a good seller will always result in getting a good watch, one I won't have trouble with. -- We wish. Quality control in replica watch factories is hit-and-miss, but mostly shoddy. One batch may be great while the next produces watches that are DOA. (Remember, making replica watches is illegal, even in China. Replica watch "factories" are usually small operations that can be easily moved or hidden from prying authorities.) What is true, though, is a good dealer will want to protect his/her reputation and will fix whatever is wrong. Lie #10: Paying by COD is the best way to get the cheapest price. Plus, I can examine my watch before paying the courier to make sure I get what I paid for. -- A really dumb thing to do and a huge red flag that you're dealing with a true scammer. They want cash because they know you'll scream foul to your credit card company the moment you see the junk you just paid $1,000 for. One final point. Remember, replica watches are counterfeit goods. While it is not illegal to purchase or possess replica watches in most countries, it is illegal to sell them. Keep this in mind when using PayPal or communicating with credit card companies.
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| Posted: Tue Oct 2nd, 2007 03:09 am |
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NANDO-FERDZ 3T WIS 
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Why some people are buying replica watches? Some reasons... - They like the brand/design but they couldn't afford the price - They like the brand/design and can afford the price but they do not want to spend that much for a watch - They want to fool other people including themselves=) - To play around - For curiousity reason What else???
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| Posted: Sat Oct 6th, 2007 10:17 am |
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enmed 3T WIS
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OldeCrow wrote: I don't need excuses or justifications like I already said I sleep fine but you just proved my point, the Chinese 7750 remians a valueable learning tool for me and the cheapest place I have been able to find the Chinese 7750 is in replicas. That might be the ONLY good reason for buying a replica instead of a homage, NOT a good reason for those who just wear the watch. But after playing around with the watch, would you keep the dial with the counterfeit brand logo? Sure you could not get a "naked" chinese 7750 then? Or even a swiss one? http://cgi.ebay.it/ETA-VALJOUX-7750-CHRONOGRAPH-WATCH-MOVEMENT-NEW-IN-BOX_W0QQitemZ230177723468QQihZ013QQcategoryZ10324QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem ;)
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| Posted: Mon Oct 8th, 2007 10:30 pm |
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TO Allen 3T WIS
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Have a friend who I haven't seen in years. His father had a real Rolex and a copy. He would normally wear the fake Rolex in case he was ever robbed. His son asked him if he would feel any better if he was shot and killed and he was only wearing his fake Rolex. Go for the real deal and enjoy it. If you can't fly first class, don't fly at all. Just my $0.02.
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