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| Enzo EMV vs Ocean7 LM-3 | Rating: 
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| Posted: Tue Jul 10th, 2007 09:30 pm |
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srh_pres 3T WIS 
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Thanks Oscar... shoot me your address and I will send it off. They pre-etched the case backs with the sequential numbers, but when the assembler put them together, they just grabbed out of the box without attention to maintaining the order. Hence I wasnt able to get the same # as on my LM-1 and LM-2... :shock: O.A. Gaspar wrote: srh_pres wrote:
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| Posted: Tue Jul 10th, 2007 09:34 pm |
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oagaspar Site Founder 
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srh_pres wrote: Will do check your pm....but if that is what they did it kinda sux as there are 100 owners who believe they have an eta based on LE # alone:shock: Thanks Oscar... shoot me your address and I will send it off. They pre-etched the case backs with the sequential numbers, but when the assembler put them together, they just grabbed out of the box without attention to maintaining the order. Hence I wasnt able to get the same # as on my LM-1 and LM-2... :shock:
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| Posted: Thu Jul 12th, 2007 07:29 am |
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Scuba Steve 3T WIS 
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Great review and pretty well spot on. I have both as well. It is pretty amazing that a manufacturer can take the same watch and make them so vastly different. Both of these watches are the same base watch made by the same manufacturer. I rate them fairly even. My only real complaint with the LM-3 is the lume. I have 2 complaints with the Enzo. The wobble in the crown (my LM-3 is much smoother) and I wish the PIP on the bezel was lumed. The style and design of the LM-3 wins as a tool diver. The electroplated blue dial is stunning and very easy to see under water. The bezel is easy to operate. The style and design of the Enzo wins as a fashion diver. The dials are easy to view but not as much so as the LM-3. The bezel is more difficult to turn and virtually useless in practical terms. I don't really know about the use of the SW200 movement in the LM-3. I opened mine and it is an ETA 2824-2. I have #142 and mine was in the first 100 put up for sale. I was able to take advantage of the pre-order that was offered to LM-1 owners so that adds even more value to this time piece. I am quite happy with these timepieces.      
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| Posted: Thu Jul 12th, 2007 08:26 am |
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ebiz4me 3T WIS 
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Scuba Steve wrote: Great review and pretty well spot on. I have both as well. It is pretty amazing that a manufacturer can take the same watch and make them so vastly different. Both of these watches are the same base watch made by the same manufacturer.
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| Posted: Thu Jul 12th, 2007 11:37 am |
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Scuba Steve 3T WIS
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Yeah, no lume in the PIP. It is still a fascinating looking watch. Here is a lume shot I took of the Orange Dial Enzo with my cell phone camera. The black dial is even brighter. I do want to add that my comment about the Enzo bezel as useless is misleading. The bezel looks great and really accents the watch. My comment was in reference to diving timing markers. It would be tough to time a dive with that bezel but in reality, I am sure a very small group would use this watch for that anyway.  Last edited on Thu Jul 12th, 2007 11:45 am by Scuba Steve |
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| Posted: Fri Jul 13th, 2007 02:15 am |
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KenC Admin 
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Great review.................but I still don't care much for the Ocean7..and Steve's comment about "....when the assembler put them together, they just grabbed out of the box without attention to maintaining the order...", is a perfect example of why. 1) That is a piss poor approach to quality control, and 2) it doesn't say much about customer service either. They may be good watches, but since I 1st saw their Forum, the arrogance of the product's manufacturer simply turned me off....they didn't try to sleazily hide the fact that they were using the SW200 (like Bathy's did), but they are certainly willing to make "mis-statements" about it! Give me ENZO every time, Mitch and Ocean7 just don't hack it for me! jmho
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| Posted: Fri Jul 13th, 2007 07:02 am |
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Scuba Steve 3T WIS
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KenC wrote: Great review.................but I still don't care much for the Ocean7..and Steve's comment about "....when the assembler put them together, they just grabbed out of the box without attention to maintaining the order...", is a perfect example of why. 1) That is a piss poor approach to quality control, and 2) it doesn't say much about customer service either. They may be good watches, but since I 1st saw their Forum, the arrogance of the product's manufacturer simply turned me off....they didn't try to sleazily hide the fact that they were using the SW200 (like Bathy's did), but they are certainly willing to make "mis-statements" about it! You do realize that the LM-3 and the Enzo's are made by the same person/manufacturer correct? They are basically the same watch. Do you think this is the only company that assembles the same way? What the heck does assembling watches in numeric order have to do with quality control? I have to strongly disagree about any arrogance. They are the most open and forthright company I have seen yet. Can't say that about many either.
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| Posted: Fri Jul 13th, 2007 09:28 am |
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KenC Admin
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Scuba Steve wrote: KenC wrote:Great review.................but I still don't care much for the Ocean7..and Steve's comment about "....when the assembler put them together, they just grabbed out of the box without attention to maintaining the order...", is a perfect example of why. 1) That is a piss poor approach to quality control, and 2) it doesn't say much about customer service either. They may be good watches, but since I 1st saw their Forum, the arrogance of the product's manufacturer simply turned me off....they didn't try to sleazily hide the fact that they were using the SW200 (like Bathy's did), but they are certainly willing to make "mis-statements" about it! Then we can agree to disagree....a sub-contractor will enact quality control standards commiserate with those demanded by the contractor, and no, I do not think that it is the only company that assembles that way. So, if I were to accept the theory that "2 wrongs make a right", then I guess their quality is okay. As to "What the heck does assembling watches in numeric order have to do with quality control?", the correct process in producing an LE is to produce them in sequential numerical order and then number them as such if numbering is done during production. If numbering is done after assembly/production, then they should be numbered after the fact in the same fashion. I stated it was a great review review, and I gave my opinion based on my knowledge and experience with collectables and Limited Editions. I also formed an opinion based on perception of posts I have read involving the O7 owner...short of meeting him personally, perception is reality.
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| Posted: Fri Jul 13th, 2007 11:28 am |
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Skipdawg 3T WIS 
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Shoot guys lets relax now. The fate of the world is not at hand here. LOL :D Yes Enzo and O7 are built by the same folks, in the same house using many of the same parts. Shoot there are a great many watches out there that can be said about. :) No Enzo and O7 are not a apples and oranges example here but I would say oranges and tangerines would fit. :cool: Both are great watches and many have their own preferences as to which is the better watch. As with any watch. ;)
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| Posted: Fri Jul 13th, 2007 01:06 pm |
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KenC Admin
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Skipdawg wrote: Shoot guys lets relax now. The fate of the world is not at hand here. LOL :D Skip...I am relaxed...Scuba and I just have a difference of opinion. We have both stated our cases, and everyone can reach their own conclusion...it's only a watch! I respect his opinion and hopefully, he respects mine...it really is that simple!
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| Posted: Fri Jul 13th, 2007 01:19 pm |
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ebiz4me 3T WIS
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I mostly agree with the Dawg in sneakers....also agree with some of Ken's comments and Steve's...both make some valid points. But I do like both watches...just the Enzo a bit more. I must admit, probably wouldn't pay the same price for LM3 if it had the SW200 movement. It would be nice if buyers (especially on the aftermarket) could know what movement their watch has without breaking the case. I think Ocean7 could have done a better job with that.
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| Posted: Fri Jul 13th, 2007 01:26 pm |
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KenC Admin
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ebiz4me wrote: I mostly agree with the Dawg in sneakers....also agree with some of Ken's comments and Steve's...both make some valid points. But I do like both watches...just the Enzo a bit more. I must admit, probably wouldn't pay the same price for LM3 if it had the SW200 movement. It would be nice if buyers (especially on the aftermarket) could know what movement their watch has without breaking the case. I think Ocean7 could have done a better job with that. ebiz.....they can...it's called "truth in advertising". Anything short of that is intended deception by the watch company in question. Bathy's, for example, buried the "either/or" on ETA or Sellita so deep in there website it was almost impossible to find until they were called on it. They buried the one statement and touted the ETA 2824-2 everywhere else! The Sellita may or may not be a decent movement, but bottom line, it is a crude copy of an ETA, and to charge the same price for it, IMO, is simply arrogant. And again, a very nice and informative review...Thanks!
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