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| Posted: Thu Jul 3rd, 2008 01:05 pm |
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Tony Duronio 3T WIS 
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the Invicta training manual:P http://forums.watchuseek.com/showthread.php?t=162915 The PVD on the case is far superior to the bracelet? :?:? Why would you use 2 different PVD methods??  
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| Posted: Thu Jul 3rd, 2008 01:15 pm |
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Gregger 3T WIS 
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Sounds like a load to me.....I'd say because the bracelet has "moving" parts that is the real reason it's wearing off.......
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| Posted: Thu Jul 3rd, 2008 01:26 pm |
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captobvious 3T WIS 
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I would guess that the bracelet is sourced from a different company than the one that makes the cases. ...but I'm only guessing. :?
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| Posted: Thu Jul 3rd, 2008 01:32 pm |
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Tony Duronio 3T WIS
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captobvious wrote: I would guess that the bracelet is sourced from a different company than the one that makes the cases. Probably right Mark, but not a good example of QC over a product. Hey this may have been a bad one but why not just exchange it for the guy and pressure your manufacture for a refund???
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| Posted: Thu Jul 3rd, 2008 04:52 pm |
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AntFarm 3T WIS 
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I would say it's because the bracelet is scratched he's trying to CYA and blame the manfacturer. Inetresting though. Ken, anything?? You have a good knowledge of Invicta 
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| Posted: Thu Jul 3rd, 2008 05:10 pm |
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Paxman 3T WIS 
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Mitch say this is normal?!? Whatever... He aslo said they would be shipping LM & in January, I mean March, I mean April... You get the idea?
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| Posted: Fri Jul 4th, 2008 01:48 pm |
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manitoujoe Guest
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Normal for this company. I had a G2 bracelet fall apart on me and I found GLUE in parts that were supposedly welded. Mitch reinforced this info to me repeatedly, until I sent him the pieces. Then, he changed his policy on his traveling warranty and came clean on his forums. X Needless to say, I haven't been back. Weird part is the bracelet looks like my ENZO's and it is BULLETPROOF and BEAUTIFUL. And we all know how ENZO takes care of his customers. perfect.gif:
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| Posted: Fri Jul 4th, 2008 02:24 pm |
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KenC Admin 
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I have never been a fan of Ocean7, primarily because Mitch has always come across as kind of a con-man to me. I was, at one time, considering a G1, as it appeared to be oem'd by the Steinhart source, and recently, I considered an LM3 on a Sales Forum. Here's the bottom line...I don't trust him or his products. His watch are, for the most part "homages" (to be kind) of other brands...this is a perfect example. Why would any watchmaker in his right mind, oem a matching case and bracelet with 2 different grades of PVD??? It's either an act of stupidity or a load of crap...either way, it is BS and speaks volumes to the integrity of the product. At one point, Ocean7 had this "secret" guess which movement you might get thing going on, very similar to Bathy's. Full disclosure was not in their ethical bag of tricks. OG finally called both of them on it as it was deceptive advertising. But then...that's just my opinion. What's yours?
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| Posted: Tue Jul 8th, 2008 01:07 am |
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MarkJnK 3T WIS 
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I've sworn off any future O7 purchases due to the way a friend of mine was treated by Mitch. My friend, a mod at Wus, had a LM-3 with a flaw on the dial. He was not the original owner, but the watch was still within the warranty period. He asked very politely if Mitch would consider replacing the dial, and Mitch's response was so incredibly rude, condescending, and downright insulting, I couldn't believe it. My friend blind copied me on the string of emails and the nicer my friend got, the ruder Mitch got. I thought to myself, if only Mitch knew he was losing two customers at once with his brutal customer service. I've never understood the love-fest on the O7 forum, the watches seem like unoriginal hommages with poor customer service. I just don't get it. When I read that posting about the PVD on the bracelet, it seemed like it was business as usual for Mitch. Maybe Mitch went to the doxa school of customer service :)
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| Posted: Tue Jul 8th, 2008 01:45 am |
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IanM 3T WIS 
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Yep - seems dumb to me too . Really - still under warranty and Mitch refuses to repair it? :X I have recently had an "issue" with an incoming PVD homage, and the maker has been pretty good - after blaming everyone else for the second hand scraping the paint and lume off the hour hand beneath (it had already done this when I opened the parcel on the first day...) and some C3 lume that was inconsistent under the sandwich dial. It is on its way back and I expect to be reimbursed for the shipping to get it back there. But maybe it is just me? As for that dud PVD bracelet on the O7 - two guys getting on the O7 forum on WUS and telling it like it is might make mountains move, though. We should be able to say what we like, and don't like, about certain experiences we have with makers, brands and stores ;) without fear of backlash. Hey - if it was done right, there would be no need to keel-haul them, right. I know my clients don't let me get away with anything, so I get my legal work right first time, every time. In a world where information travels so quickly (as it has here, is a good example) you would think that makers would get it right, wouldn't you? And I am one of the unlucky buggers still waiting for my Ploprof copy LM-7 after about 10 months of Mitch having my deposit money. I acknowledge that it takes time to get the cases sourced, the bracelets built, the face designed, the right colour of the hands, the correct material for the bezel lock, and the movements in (and to his credit, Mitch has involved prospective owners at every stage to get them what they want, not necessarily what he first suggested) so the involvement of the prospective owners in the process has surely protracted things. Oh - and the watch is due "some time in Summer - when it is right". Great if you can get away with it. I still want the watch, but this waiting is giving me a pain in the *rse, and all I have seen so far are some tricky CAD drawings, a lot of chat, and one case in the rough. I guess that apart from the issue of non-transferable warranties on the LM-7, I could potentially flip it (if I ever get it). And then I can get the Enzo I should have ordered in the first place... I suggest a new sticky to be titled "DUDS" as in dud deals, dud watches and dud service. Fair warning for all. Sorry for that - rant finished now... markjnk - you wanna swap your 001 and a few bucks for an Omega Seamaster 120 f300 diver in minty condition? The Enzo in your avatar is an absolute classic! ;) Cheers all - a very patient IanM hand6.gif
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| Posted: Tue Jul 8th, 2008 01:49 am |
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Skipdawg 3T WIS 
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I have 2 O7's but have no plans to get any others now. After reading this and seeing other complaints over time well I don't like what see and hear. I like and enjoy the 2 I have so far no problems with them. The LM-1LE and LM-6C. But to me good CS is half the package with a good watch. I am the type that feels something must be amiss if a vendor or watch house dose not fully back their products and provide good CS.
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| Posted: Tue Jul 8th, 2008 09:38 am |
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DEMO Guest
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Hmmm, very inteesting thread. I think I am the "odd man out" here, I've had excellent CS from Mitch and I am very happy with my LM-6C and G-2. No quality issues, and all my emails w/ Mitch have been promt and courtious. I did have a problem with the deployment clasp on my LM-6C and Mitch replaced it immediately for me. As far as most of his watches being "homages" I can't buy that. The upcoming LM-7 yes, that will be an homage, I am looking forward to that one, I would never cough-up the $8000 - $14000 price I've seen the vinage pieces go for. Just my 02ยข.
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