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 Posted: Sun Jan 11th, 2009 08:36 pm
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canadajo
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I am interested in knowing what the guys here think about this topic ..... my personal experience with my Ocean 7 Proploff was far from perfect,  as on recieving the watch it was loose and bouncing around the box .... with the strap peices floating in the box as well .... my red button was dinged up ..... also when attempting to install the strap I had to jam it between the lugs ..... I thought this was not acceptable but maybe I am being too harsh ?

DMB wrote: KenC wrote: DMB wrote:  




It seems there isn't a lot of O7 love going around anywhere except the O7 forum.  I bought this looking for a sub 1K beater that could hold up doing S.W.A.T. work.  It's got a Swiss movement, and I could care less if the case was made in China or Tinbuctoo.  Just my dos centavos. ~ David




Dave...I think the lack of love here has more to do with the owner than the watch itself.  I know in my particular case, there are several factors; the "heavy handedness" of the O7 Forum, the hypocrisy of their mission statement "Our guiding philosophy is simple - we have to be different to be better!"  while all the time simply making "homages to other high-end watches, the ethical question deception employed when they started using the SW200 instead of the ETA 2824-2.  I guess to me, it's simply the arrogance of the O7 "crowd" in the "putting down" of anyone who dared say anything negative or even broached a question that they might have had a negative connotation to it if they answered it honestly.

My understanding is that the product itself is decent and many models are appealing...although VERY reminiscent of other watches..

Oh, I didn't mean to imply a lack of love just here.  From what I have seen, it's everywhere, except the O7 forum where the Kool-Aid flows like a river.  And ... from what I have seen you are absolutely correct.  I have posted the requisite "here is my new O7" post on the O7 home forum, but other than that haven't spent much time there.  IMO there are a lot of new watches that all look basically the same with this case.  It does just what I bought it to do, and for the price was a pretty good deal.  Nothing more, nothing less. ~ David

Hey fellers... why not start a thread and let's see what 3T members think?toon1.gif

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 Posted: Sun Jan 11th, 2009 09:53 pm
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Norman
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I think...if you want me as a regular customer, you better get it right the first time.;)

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 Posted: Sun Jan 11th, 2009 10:38 pm
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I haven't owned an Ocean 7, and I'm not familiar with much of the back story regarding the movements and such.  I've found the moderators on the Ocean 7 forum to be a bit heavy handed, but that's about it.  I don't have any of their models on my must have list.

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 Posted: Sun Jan 11th, 2009 10:59 pm
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Gregger
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I agree with the statement that they look like other watches.....I don't plan on buying any.....

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 Posted: Sun Jan 11th, 2009 11:01 pm
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I don't think that I'll ever buy OCEAN7. I never deal with anybody that acts out of place. They never delivered anything fresh and act as they were a center of watch marketplace. toon1.gif

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 Posted: Mon Jan 12th, 2009 07:53 am
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Personally I think the O7 brand has lost a bit of its initial luster. You'll find a number of them continuously up for sale on the secondary market. They don't seem to be "keepers" for many WIS. Without a doubt, the brand has its fans which inhabit an insular world known as the O7 Official forum where the moderation is a bit heavy handed and any questioning is frowned upon. Their designs are derivative with the ultimate being an outright homage to the legendary Omega.

As I've discussed with several WIS, this particular project is a microcosm of the company' woes imho. An outright homage albeit with the same old O7 dial, which took far too ling from conception to completion. While the watch appeared well built the strap was poorly finished and needed filing or brute force to be squeezed onto the watch head and its construction seemed hinky, and in one case I know of personally, the extra bezel lock button was haphazardly tossed into the watch box, left free to jump around during shipping and become chipped. Now this after waiting over a year for this watch to appear and being chastised if ever asking for an update. To me this is not the way to develop strong vendor/customer relations. So as David pointed out above, if you've got a Mission statement, best to live up to it.

That being said I do own an O7 though really its nothing more than a re-dialed and casebacked Steinhart. Does that still count?




O7 has a lot of potential but seems just a bit out of touch. They need look no further than their own Mission Statement for guidance.

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 Posted: Mon Jan 12th, 2009 08:40 am
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In the begining I thought Ocean7 had promise. I knew about them before I found 3T.

I have the LM-1 LE and the LM-6C. I enjoy them both but the way O7 has been over the last year I have no desire to buy another watch from them. I may pick up something some day 2ed market but there are so many other options in that price range that are a much better buy all the way around.

I've stated the LM-7 dose nothing for me. But for those who do love the brand I understand. The old saying fits well. "To each their own" ;)

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 Posted: Mon Jan 12th, 2009 09:15 am
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I can understand why they want to keep their official forum free from any criticism or ambiguous questions. Since Ocean7 watches are not available in stores, neither in large online shops, this forum is their only selling platform. They don't want any bad publicity. One bad review could make 100 potential customers run away. We can't blame Mitch for muting down negative comments. It's his business.

It's the same here. I doubt my opinion about the Monstrum will be welcomed in the 3T Orsa forum subtlelaugh.gif

Personally I'm not interested in Ocean 7 watches. The brand name doesn't speak to me (it's as bad as "Clouds 6" or "Lake 9") and their catalog has way too many homage watches. I like a brand to have a strong identity, and offer original watches. I'd rather wear a cheap original watch, than a high quality homage.

The LM7 was a wrong move, in my opinion. Ocean 7 is now known as the "company that makes this Ploprof replica". And it won't change soon...


I also think these watches are overpriced. $900 to $1700 is way too much. In this price range you can get beautiful (and original) watches from Longines, Glycine, Stowa, Fortis or Oris. And even at 50% less, there are many other options (Hamilton, Steinhart/Debaufre, Archimede, Boschett, etc...).


But some people seem to enjoy these watches and are having fun discussing with Mitch about new models. That's all that matters, right?

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 Posted: Mon Jan 12th, 2009 09:49 am
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The only Ocean I am even remotly interested in is the LM-7 and that can change once I see one in the steel. As has been said I think they are overpriced and would only buy one from the sales forums.

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 Posted: Mon Jan 12th, 2009 09:51 am
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I have never purchased a watch from Ocean7, but I owned a LM-1.  The person I purchase it from was from here and he was great to deal with and the watch was in super great shape, like brand new looking, but after owning it about 40 days I went to go clean the bezel and the black paint from bezel marker fell out.  I had to touch it up with some enamel paint. 

I thought man they could have done a better job app ling the paint, or prepping the marker with primer, when building this thing.  I did not bother to have Ocean7 fix it...I already knew not to go there, so I thought gee it's a homage, well I might as well add some Teddy homage to it, so who ever has that LM-1 they can say it's a Ocean7/Teddy homage..subtlelaugh.gif  See now, it's really a collectors item now.....yourock.gif

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 Posted: Tue Jan 13th, 2009 08:06 pm
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Guess I am one of the lucky ones. I ordered my LM-7 with an initial deposit, waited the full term, and then changed my mind about the blue sunburst dial and went with a black (matte) dial version. Everything about the build and timekeeping of the watch is so far very good, IMHO.

Delivered quickly in a tough wooden box, my red bezel lock button was separately packed, as were the OEM rubber strap, cards and instructions. I have used neither the red button nor the rubber strap, because I prefer the plain SS bezel lock. I put it on an Omega mesh bracelet (don't care about the clash of brands - the mesh is supremely comfy), changed out occasionally with a Hadley Roma big heavy.

I can see the other points of view, but apart from the frustration of waiting a long time for the watch, I actually WANTED a watch that reminded me of my old Ploprof, and this was the best of the bunch I could find. It is no Omega, I can assure you, but it is tough, solid, works flawlessly, and is just a few seconds out since I have owned it. In the flesh, the dial graphics and lume will be a source of pleasure for many, I reckon.

Nobody I speak to has any idea of the Omega connection that we WIS take so seriously. To most, it is just an interesting take on a dive watch by a small company in the US called Ocean7. I will never claim it to be what it is not.

With absolutely no disrecpect meant - you vote for or against such manufacturers with your wallet. I may never buy another Ocean7 watch in my lifetime. But my experience so far is not so bad that I would never look at their products again.

Just a question which is almost off-topic - is it the opinion of all that every fricker cased diver is a copy of the others? I am just trying to get a handle on why it is that this particular O7 raises so many hackles, but many variants of watch using the same case and sold by different "assemblers" does not?

No biggie - have a great day, 3T!!

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 Posted: Tue Jan 13th, 2009 09:02 pm
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From what I've seen and read around many forums, I would much rather spend my money on other brands offering similar look watches at a little more reasonable price. Debaufre comes to mind as something I would much more consider. Much better value IMO. To me for some reason, the O7's just lack a little bling factor. I do like the name though.

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