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| Posted: Fri Dec 10th, 2010 10:19 am |
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bigrustypig 3T WIS 
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Great info and link, Johnny. So it's true after all.....about Doxa...
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| Posted: Fri Dec 10th, 2010 11:16 am |
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Johnny P Advisor 
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We live in a strange world, Let say Johnny decided to build a 100% Swiss made watch with a top grade ETA 2892, and I decided to sell it at my cost + shipping the majority of the people would completely ignore my watch accept for a few. Get a big watch brand to build the same watch with an ETA 2892 COSC, but case, bracelet and dial are made in Hong Kong shipped back to Switzerland for final assembly and inspection. Big brand charge 10 x more than Johnny brand people would be drooling, wishing that they could afford it etc. Johnny brand would be accused of being made in China, and would bashed to hell. Top grade ETA 2892, and COSC ETA 2892 are the same movement accepts one has been certified by COSC. That’s what going on in real life think about it. Not all name brand watch company does this, so before people start bashing Hong Kong watches or micro brew watches look at your Swiss made timepiece and just wonder. Some big brands do build 100% Swiss made watches, and you’re going to pay the price if that what you want. Don’t forget their overhead is a lot higher than the Johnny brand, (ex: employee salary, building maintenance, benefits etc.) Doxa can make 100% Swiss Made watches, are we willing to pay the price? I know the answer (hell no), leave them alone I like it the way it is. Have a nice day. 
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| Posted: Fri Dec 10th, 2010 11:22 am |
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KenC Admin 
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I'm with Oscar and Johnny on this one...I don't care where it's made as long as it is well made...additionally, those of you who've been around for awhile know that I believe that COSC is a bunch of marketing crap. It may be COSC when tested...it may even be COSC for a while when you get it. But drop it, knock it, bump it, etc...and you will wonder where all that COSC accuracy went!
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| Posted: Fri Dec 10th, 2010 12:10 pm |
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stew77 Admin 
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KenC wrote: I'm with Oscar and Johnny on this one...I don't care where it's made as long as it is well made...additionally, those of you who've been around for awhile know that I believe that COSC is a bunch of marketing crap. It may be COSC when tested...it may even be COSC for a while when you get it. But drop it, knock it, bump it, etc...and you will wonder where all that COSC accuracy went! +1 or +2 on Ken's comment here (Johnny's and Oscar's too). Also agree strongly with Ken regarding COSC...If COSC certification is offered, that's just fine by me but I'm sure not going to pay extra for it if given the option!!!
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| Posted: Fri Dec 10th, 2010 12:36 pm |
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Johnny P Advisor
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There is no doubt in my mind that Doxa meets the Swiss made requirements, but there are a few micro brew that claim Swiss made, and the watch has never saw Switzerland, You all know who you are, it just a matter of time when you get exposed. I'm not talking about 3T micro brew. 
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| Posted: Fri Dec 10th, 2010 01:03 pm |
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Hammerfjord Moderator 
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We live in a strange world PART II The thing is that through the "Johnny brand", Johnny isn't making much money: He just try to please himself, others, maybe realise a dream and try to introduce himself on the watch market for later economic winnings... Johnny think that beeing thruthfull and honnest is the best way...He want to win hearts with premium quality and affordability. But Johnny forgot that high business is for sharks. The "Big brand" is mostly here to make as much money he can on the watch: Low cost production, a minimum quality then high selling prices. No mercy...The "Big brand" thinks that high prices will set him on high range: Giving status, giving fever to the WI$. He's right. Paradoxally enough: Many WI$ have the need to pay high prices to get the feeling that they buy quality. They also need to see this watch promoted everywhere to feel like they buy something of high quality. They need sometimes to see someone very known in the medias with this "Big brand" watch to feel like they will buy something nice and valuable. Stars are wearing only premium quality? Yes,of course, those guys know everything about watches...Hohoho... Right: They been paid to wear it...So why not!? The "Johnny brand" is cheap because Johnny don't pay stars, don't pay magazines, don't pay TV channels, don't pay people "to do his job since he's fishing the blue marlin on his yacht with chicks all-over(under) his Hawaian shirt" Johnny thinks that he work hard for the WI$, but in fact, the WI$ will just turn his back, ignoring Johnny. Why? Because Johnny is cheap and not known through merchandising. ...Cheap is "CHEAP", unknown is "cheap", unrated is "cheap"... The few who will recognise his watch's quality will not be heard by the WI$. The WI$ morality: Cheap is "not" good, even the quality is there: Because everybody can afford it! So the WI$ can't demarcate himself from his neighbourg because the neighbourg, who's poor, can afford the same watch...That's not good for the WI$ who wants to shine. He constantly have the strange feeling that the "Johnny brand" on his wrist, insulte his social status. Poor WI$...He should just tape a roll of 1000$ bills on his wrist: Maybe he would have it easier when he meet the neighbourg...
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| Posted: Fri Dec 10th, 2010 01:15 pm |
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Johnny P Advisor
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Hammerfjord good point, I must agree.
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| Posted: Fri Dec 10th, 2010 02:08 pm |
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Hammerfjord Moderator
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Johnny P wrote:Hammerfjord good point, I must agree. I have a strange feeling since yesterday 
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| Posted: Fri Dec 10th, 2010 02:40 pm |
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Johnny P Advisor
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Hammerfjord wrote:Johnny P wrote: Is it clear yet  
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| Posted: Fri Dec 10th, 2010 04:44 pm |
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Hammerfjord Moderator
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marinelite wrote:Johnny,, find it tough to believe.. the web site deleted the The day before this thread started, a guy on another forum droped the bomb...Seems like someone from/close Doxa observed it...He certainly passed the word. Within the next 24h after the bomb was droped, the site manager certainly constated abnormal traffic there: Like many visitors/hits compare to normal...As the word was passed and intens trafic seen, they decided to kill the guilty pics, trying to avoid a tsunami. I saw the pics disappearing one by one from the different pages on this site: That was worth gold. As simple as that. 
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| Posted: Fri Dec 10th, 2010 06:12 pm |
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afc14284 3T WIS 
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Very interesting thread my fellow watch lovers, and also, I would definitely decide to purchase the HK outsourced watch if it meets certain standards well defined by the Swiss... then, if Doxa, or any other brand by that matter would put their names on it as we all know it happens, then we know we are purchasing some quality piece that's well worth it... also.... kudos to the micro brands that fez up and don't try to sell you something different....
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| Posted: Sat Dec 11th, 2010 05:32 am |
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movas 3T WIS
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Hello people of 3T, It's funny that my first post is actually of someone else's brand, but I think this post is a good indication of how the world of watches works and would like to put forth my opinion on the matter. Being the voice of reason, I just want to say that there is always a method to the madness for certain actions of any brand. You have to ask yourselves, if brand A told you the truth about their manufacturing, would you pay the amount that they think their products are worth based on how much they value their own designs? The fact of the matter is (and I hate to have to say this), is that branding/ marketing/ product placement is a consumer driven decision. If people did not place such a high importance on 'swiss made' watches, then brands will not purport this, even if it was not true. There is very little emphasis on originality and design as watches are becoming more of a commodity. It must have an ETA inside, it must be 316L stainless steel, it must have C3 superluminova, It must be at least 300m WR, AR coating, domed sapphire, etc etc etc.... the list goes on, and when it's stamped 'swiss made' then the price is ratcheted up another notch. I for one do not see what doxa did wrong because they didn't set the rules for 'swiss made' neither did they break those rules. We need to start to question 'why' we buy our watches and what is really important to us as consumers and base our decisions on that. Ultimately the online community for watches is but a very very small percentage of the consumer market for watches as a whole. BTW, Love this forum and hope to contribute where I can. Last edited on Sat Dec 11th, 2010 05:35 am by movas |
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